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If he doesn't pull a Ted Cruz he's openly shytting on his very loyal supporters who fought for him and were just vindicated in their accusations of collusion and corruption within the DNC. I don't see how he can explain away the leaks.
Yeah, like hardcore Bernie stans needed those DNC leaks to believe that the DNC rigged it for Hillary. :comeon:

What principles can he possibly talk about? Getting money out of politics? Hillary has a vastly bigger warchest than Donald, and her team has even looked at branding him as "Poor Donald" because of this campaign's lack of funds. Making trade deals better for average Americans? Trump has been railing on shytty trade deals for 25 years and it's one of the cornerstones of his campaign. Hillary couldn't even bring herself to reject the TPP until the Dem primary was over, and she just picked a VP candidate who was caping for TPP last week. Political corruption? Both Trump and Bernie have been talking about a rigged system since the primaries, and the DNC leak just confirmed their suspicions. I don't think Hillary has even acknowledged the issue.

lol what do you mean what could he possibly talk about? Bernie is a Democrat and he is closer to Hillary than he is Trump politically. You always seem myopically focused on only the issues you are most passionate about. There's a lot to talk about other than trade deals and corporate influence in politics. Bernie is on her side of pretty much every other issue, but farther to the left. He's going to basically say Trump is a crazy, incompetent racist pathological lying narcissist who wants to give yuge tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires and the richest 1% and Hillary would do things that work for the middle class like raise the minimum wage, add a public option to the Affordable Care Act, expand social security, and give free college tuition.

The only thing Bernie can shyt on Trump for is being too mean. The Democrats strategy is to turn this election into a referendum on politeness and away from actual policy. If Bernie gets up there and starts in on how Trump is too mean to be President, he'll look like a damn fool and betray the actual issues his campaign was fighting for.

:snoop: Are you fukking kidding? He can't shyt on Trump for a trickle-down tax plan that would reduce revenues by $9.5 trillion over 10 years and add $34.1 trillion to the national debt in 20 years, and give the top 0.1% more relief than the bottom 60%? He can't shyt on Trump for cutting the corporate tax rate to 15% and repealing the estate tax? He can't shyt on Trump for wanting to build a wall on the Mexican border? He can't shyt on Trump for wanting repeal The Affordable Care Act? He can't shyt on Trump for being generally full of shyt and barely having any policy specifics on anything? He can't shyt on Trump for saying women who have abortions should be punished? He can't shyt on Trump for being a cliimate change denier? @Broke Wave you hear this guy?

Trump is playing this masterfully because he knows this election is about turnout, so if he can drive a wedge in the Democratic coalition by making progressives disgusted with the Democratic establishment, he can depress turnout and will have a shot at the White House.
lol yeah like any Bernie supporter is going to vote for Trump just because Trump sent out some tweets. Any wedge that exists in the Democratic coalition isn't being driven by Trump. The fracturing between the Democratic establishment and the progressive Sanders wing is already there. As usual, you're giving Trump undeserved props for doing irrelevant shyt like being a jackass on twitter as if it's a stroke of genius. And you've got the nerve to call anyone a stan. :heh:
 
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Yeah, like hardcore Bernie stans needed those DNC leaks to believe that the DNC rigged it for Hillary. :comeon:
The leaks validated what they already suspected. Every major news outlet is covering them, and it's clearly become an issue if DWS is being removed from speaking at the DNC.

lol what do you mean what could he possibly talk about? Bernie is a Democrat and he is closer to Hillary than he is Trump politically. You always seem myopically focused on only the issues you are most passionate about. There's a lot to talk about other than trade deals and corporate influence in politics. Bernie is on her side of pretty much every other issue, but farther to the left. He's going to basically say Trump is a crazy, incompetent racist pathological lying narcissist who wants to give yuge tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires and the richest 1% and Hillary would do things that work for the middle class like raise the minimum wage, add a public option to the Affordable Care Act, expand social security, and give free college tuition.
I think Bernie is probably equidistant from Trump and Hillary. But again, you're looking at this through an outdated political model. The traditional "left-right" paradigm is becoming obsolete. The culture wars are over, Trump is neutralizing the usual social wedge issues between Democrats and Republicans. Bernie's biggest issues are trade, a rigged system, too much money in politics and banking. On all those issues, Bernie is ideologically just as close, if not closer, to Trump than he is to Hillary. On most of the other issues you mentioned, Trump has taken positions that deprive Democrats of the stark contrast they desperately want to make.

As I showed above, minimum wage is no longer a strong wedge issue: Trump hints at middle ground on minimum wage

On healthcare, Trump has been inconsistent, but has called for universal coverage:

On social security, Trump has pledged to oppose cuts in defiance of Republican orthodoxy: Donald Trump Shuns Social Security Reform, Takes Target off GOP’s Back

On college tuition, Trump has said he wants to stop federal government profiting off student loans: Donald Trump on the Student Loan Crisis | Loan Forgiveness

This is why Bernie and the Democrats are left with doing what you just did by calling Trump a "crazy, incompetent racist pathological lying narcissist"; taking the focus off policy and turning the election into a superficial referendum on Trump's personality.

"Forget banking deregulation, did you see how rude Trump was to Megyn Kelly :skip:"

"Trade deals?? Nevermind that, look at the latest Trump tweet! :skip:"

"Foreign policy?? Uhh, Trump hates black people! :skip:"

lol yeah like any Bernie supporter is going to vote for Trump just because Trump sent out some tweets. Any wedge that exists in the Democratic coalition isn't being driven by Trump. The fracturing between the Democratic establishment and the progressive Sanders wing is already there. As usual, you're giving Trump undeserved props for doing irrelevant shyt like being a jackass on twitter as if it's a stroke of genius. And you've got the nerve to call anyone a stan. :heh:
I never claimed Trump created the wedge, I just said he's poking at it. The Democrats did a great job creating that wedge by treating their progressive coalition like a piece of crap. They could have nominated Warren or some other progressive for VP but they go with Tim Kaine :mjlol:. These nikkas deserve everything coming their way.
 

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The leaks validated what they already suspected. Every major news outlet is covering them, and it's clearly become an issue if DWS is being removed from speaking at the DNC.
And like I said, Bernie stans already felt that way anyway and those leaks surprise no one.


I think Bernie is probably equidistant from Trump and Hillary. But again, you're looking at this through an outdated political model. The traditional "left-right" paradigm is becoming obsolete. The culture wars are over, Trump is neutralizing the usual social wedge issues between Democrats and Republicans. Bernie's biggest issues are trade, a rigged system, too much money in politics and banking. On all those issues, Bernie is ideologically just as close, if not closer, to Trump than he is to Hillary. On most of the other issues you mentioned, Trump has taken positions that deprive Democrats of the stark contrast they desperately want to make.

lol and again, you myopically think the issues that are important to you are most important to most voters. Trade is not the biggest issue. Trade is #11 according to this poll, for example. 4. Top voting issues in 2016 election Even on the issue of trade, virtually no economist believes a trade war with China is a good idea, and that is what Trump is proposing. Sanders isn't. Sanders is just against trade deals across the board. Taxing Chinese imports until they give up is not a serious winning strategy and Hillary will hit him on that in the debates when it comes up.

I don't know what you're talking about the money in politics for because Trump isn't an advocate of campaign finance reform.

Bernie is not closer to Trump than Hillary on most issues, you just seem to have a one-track mind about trade. Bernie central message is about income inequality and better living conditions for the middle class and he's an economic progressive on those matters. Trump wants to give huge tax breaks to the richest 1%, not raise the minimum wage, not expand healthcare or social security, and not provide free college tuition.

Bernie just said himself in that interview @dtownreppin214 posted that encourages people to vote for Hillary because Trump is the worst candidate in history, and Hillary is pushing the most progressive platform the Democratic party has ever had. Not much ambiguity or wiggle room there. He pretty much said everything I told you he would say at the DNC while you were flirting with this naive fantasy that he would pull a Cruz at the DNC. But I guess you know him better than he knows himself and can speak for him.

And sorry to break it to you, but social issues still matter to voters. Why do you think Hillary is dominating amongst all racial minorities and women and Trump is dominating amongst white men? You smartdumb Ron Paul/Trump paleoconservative types are annoying with your downplaying of the impact of racism, sexism, and bigotry. Structural racism and discrimination starts with the biases and ideologies of the people doing the legislating and governing.


As I showed above, minimum wage is no longer a strong wedge issue: Trump hints at middle ground on minimum wage

On healthcare, Trump has been inconsistent, but has called for universal coverage:

On social security, Trump has pledged to oppose cuts in defiance of Republican orthodoxy: Donald Trump Shuns Social Security Reform, Takes Target off GOP’s Back

On college tuition, Trump has said he wants to stop federal government profiting off student loans: Donald Trump on the Student Loan Crisis | Loan Forgiveness


Bruh are you ever going to even attempt to have an honest debate about Trump and his policy positions without posting a link to some vague, meaningless anecdotal Trump quote and then typing what you would like like it to mean instead of what he actually said? It's beyond comical at this point. It's like you invented a new form of trolling.

1. Trump has NOT come out for raising the national minimum wage. He just said some shyt about how he thinks wages are too low. He does not support instituting a wage hike by federal law.

2. Trump doesn't have a social security plan. He just said he wouldn't cut it. He said nothing about any measures to expand coverage or keep it solvent. Hillary proposes a SS tax increase on the highest earners. However, his top econ advisors are all people who want to privatize SS and he's pushing a budget that going to reduce revenues by $10 trillion over the next decade, but somehow he's not going to cut Medicare, SS, Medicaid, and the military because you know...he makes great deals and stuff.

3. I can't believe you posted that stupid video of Trump saying he's going to repeal Obamacare and provide universal healthcare without giving a single detail about how he's going to do it other than saying he'll make great deals with hospitals. It's impossible to have a rational conversation with you because you are being willfully obtuse.

4. Regarding Trump on student debt relief, this is from the very source you linked. Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton on Student Loans - Student Debt Relief | Student Loan Forgiveness :deadmanny:

This is why Bernie and the Democrats are left with doing what you just did by calling Trump a "crazy, incompetent racist pathological lying narcissist"; taking the focus off policy and turning the election into a superficial referendum on Trump's personality.

"Forget banking deregulation, did you see how rude Trump was to Megyn Kelly :skip:"

"Trade deals?? Nevermind that, look at the latest Trump tweet! :skip:"

"Foreign policy?? Uhh, Trump hates black people! :skip:"
Um, no. I just laid out exactly what Bernie is going to hit Trump on, and you conveniently ignored every single word of it and didn't even bother quoting it in your response. There's no need to even debate about it because Bernie already said pretty much exactly what I said he would in a video linked in this very thread, where basically previewed his DNC speech. He's going to say Trump is a racist pathological lying narcissist with an unfit temperament for President that is going to increase income inequality, give yuge tax breaks to the millionaires and billionaires and the richest 1% who have rigged the system and do nothing to help working people.
 
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lol and again, you myopically think the issues that are important to you are most important to most voters. Trade is not the biggest issue. Trade is #11 according to this poll, for example. 4. Top voting issues in 2016 election Even on the issue of trade, virtually no economist believes a trade war with China is a good idea, and that is what Trump is proposing. Sanders isn't. Sanders is just against trade deals across the board. Taxing Chinese imports until they give up is not a serious winning strategy and Hillary will hit him on that in the debates when it comes up.
I'm not talking about what is important to myself. My most important issue is foreign policy, and I didn't even mention it. I'm talking about the issues that Bernie made the foundation of his campaign. You're now engaging in revisionist history by claiming Bernie's revolution was only about the tax code and hating Trump, and not about special interests, a rigged system, trade policies that harm the middle class, and too much power in the banking industry.

Bernie just said himself in that interview @dtownreppin214 posted that encourages people to vote for Hillary because Trump is the worst candidate in history, and Hillary is pushing the most progressive platform the Democratic party has ever had. Not much ambiguity or wiggle room there. He pretty much said everything I told you he would say at the DNC while you were flirting with this naive fantasy that he would pull a Cruz at the DNC. But I guess you know him better than he knows himself and can speak for him.
Yeah, and I'm telling you that if Bernie goes up there on the DNC stage and just repeats what he said in that interview, he'll look like a fukking fool. I'm listening to CNN as I write this and his supporters are protesting in Philadelphia, fukking livid at the DNC and the rigged system. So if the only thing Bernie has to say to them is "...but Trump!", I don't see that playing out well :francis:.

Also, I'm :deadmanny: at "Hillary is pushing the most progressive platform the Democratic party has ever had". If that's their line, the Democrats aren't worth shyt, and they deserve to lose their progressive coalition.

And sorry to break it to you, but social issues still matter to voters. Why do you think Hillary is dominating amongst all racial minorities and women and Trump is dominating amongst white men? You smartdumb Ron Paul/Trump paleoconservative types are annoying with your downplaying of the impact of racism, sexism, and bigotry. Structural racism and discrimination starts with the biases and ideologies of the people doing the legislating and governing.
Social issues are mattering less and less, which is why we see the Democrats desperately trying to frame Trump's stance on illegal immigrants as somehow connected to being racist against all Hispanics and even black people, while ignoring that Trump's RNC speech highlighted the African-American child poverty rate and acknowledged racially disparate unemployment rates. They're desperately trying to frame Trump as hating all women because of one comment he made about Megyn Kelly, while ignoring that the keynote address at Trump's RNC was about pay equity for women. The Democrats are still dominating those demographics because of decades of identity politics and shytty Republican messaging. That's not going to evaporate overnight, those are deep connections. But it doesn't help when we see dishonest narratives being promoted in the media.

Bruh are you ever going to even attempt to have an honest debate about Trump and his policy positions without posting a link to some vague, meaningless anecdotal Trump quote and then typing what you would like like it to mean instead of what he actually said? It's beyond comical at this point. It's like you invented a new form of trolling.
OK so now direct video and quotes from Trump are "vague, meaningless anecdotes".:mjlol: Y'all are desperate. And I'm the one whose trolling? :heh:
1. Trump has NOT come out for raising the national minimum wage. He just said some shyt about how he thinks wages are too low. He does not support instituting a wage hike by federal law.

2. Trump doesn't have a social security plan. He just said he wouldn't cut it. He said nothing about any measures to expand coverage or keep it solvent. Hillary proposes a SS tax increase on the highest earners. However, his top econ advisors are all people who want to privatize SS and he's pushing a budget that going to reduce revenues by $10 trillion over the next decade, but somehow he's not going to cut Medicare, SS, Medicaid, and the military because you know...he makes great deals and stuff.

3. I can't believe you posted that stupid video of Trump saying he's going to repeal Obamacare and provide universal healthcare without giving a single detail about how he's going to do it other than saying he'll make great deals with hospitals. It's impossible to have a rational conversation with you because you are being willfully obtuse.

4. Regarding Trump on student debt relief, this is from the very source you linked. Donald Trump vs Hillary Clinton on Student Loans - Student Debt Relief | Student Loan Forgiveness :deadmanny:
I never said that Trump is closer to Bernie than Hillary on these specific issues, I said that he's closed the gap to such a degree where the Democrats' attempts to create such stark differences become hyperbolic. They're close enough that if your primary concerns are trade, foreign policy, banking or a rigged system, then Trump becomes a legitimate option for you. I swear y'all want Trump to be some caricature of a hyper-Republican Frankenstein so badly :heh:. And btw, your criticism of Trump's desire to see universal healthcare is the same line that the Clinton camp used against Bernie :sas1:.

Um, no. I just laid out exactly what Bernie is going to hit Trump on, and you conveniently ignored every single word of it and didn't even bother quoting it in your response. There's no need to even debate about it because Bernie already said pretty much exactly what I said he would in a video linked in this very thread, where basically previewed his DNC speech. Your adolescent fantasies of a Bernie-Trump coalition aren't coming true.
I didn't ignore it at all, I just dismissed it as stupid as shyt. It doesn't speak to any of the foundational issues of his campaign, and it would be an indication that he believes his supporters are children who can be distracted by just yelling "But Trump!" loud enough. It would honestly be a very sad ending to Bernie's movement. The media gave Cruz credit for sticking to his principles when they contradicted the principles his party's nominee. How is it different for Bernie? If he bends the knee and kisses the ring, he should be booed by his delegates.
 
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Man my city going to be a fukking mess this week.

I have a major feeling something will be leaked this week that will turn this convention inside out.
 

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After the bullshyt they pulled in Nevada, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the more unhinged Bernie or Bust people try something.
 

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