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So Pete and Bernie get more than twice the number of delegates than Liz despite not getting double her vote count. Yet no outrage or conspiracy theories.
Perhaps Liz voterbase needs more people who are actually advocates and passionate about their canidate instead of a bunch of cornball wet blankets who just wish those big meanie bernie bros would be less rowdy.

Iowa fukkery screwed liz and attempted to dampen Bernie's victory. Two things can be true at once. Liz voterbase should be as vocal as anyone's but yall too busy trying to draw contrasts to sanders supporters on some weird "trying to be the bigger person" shyt.


Yall THINK it makes her look better, more serious and mature but it just exposes the lack of enthusiasm voters have for Liz.

Bernie supporters have been vocal and vigilant which lets me know his people understand the context of his candidacy (very important) and shows the dedication of his voters

Oh well, I guess yall will settle for passive aggressive "b b but bernie bros" shyt the entire election. Hopefully Liz has actual fans who realize how progressives are being shafted and she makes an official coalition with Bernie
 
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Perhaps Liz voterbase needs more people who are actually advocates and passionate about their canidate instead of a bunch of cornball wet blankets who just wish those big meanie bernie bros would be less rowdy.


So passionate equals being insulting?

Calling people wetblanks makes them want to team up with Bernie Bros?

Maybe I should give Bootyjudge a second look? He did so well against Bernie??
 

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Watching liberals sneak in gay jabs at Pete on Twitter is :wow:

I guess all that sexuality is irrelevant talk was all bullshyt.:wow:
It is as far as him doing his job I'm still making the gay jokes though lol.
 

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So passionate equals being insulting?
Passion is passion whatever form it takes. The presence of passion at this stage is more important than someone vetting it of big meanies.

The biggest takeaway is attempting to ratfukk bernie causes his supporters to rally, Warren is being ratfukked and her "supporters" are laying there and taking it while complaining about sanders supporters

The difference is very telling on the quality of support
Calling people wetblanks makes them want to team up with Bernie Bros?
Spare me the the insincere bs, I am not a member of the Bernie Sanders campaign. im a random on the internet expressing myself. If thats what stops you from supporting a candidate rather than policy and the actual person themselves then you were probably an opp anyway, by all means go vote for bootyjudge your support wouldnt have lasted to the polls opening.

That shyt is so disingenuous, there is a vocal/unsavory crowd with anything popular. Picture me not fukking with Marvel movies , nfl football or videogames because of trolls on the internet who say mean things :sadbron: so many racists and shytheads have claimed to support obama yet that has never had an effect on his popularity
 

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Passion is passion whatever form it takes. The presence of passion at this stage is more important than someone vetting it of big meanies.

The biggest takeaway is attempting to ratfukk bernie causes his supporters to rally, Warren is being ratfukked and her "supporters" are laying there and taking it while complaining about sanders supporters

The difference is very telling on the quality of support

Spare me the the insincere bs, I am not a member of the Bernie Sanders campaign. im a random on the internet expressing myself. If thats what stops you from supporting a candidate rather than policy and the actual person themselves then you were probably an opp anyway, by all means go vote for bootyjudge your support wouldnt have lasted to the polls opening.

That shyt is so disingenuous, there is a vocal/unsavory crowd with anything popular. Picture me not fukking with Marvel movies , nfl football or videogames because of trolls on the internet who say mean things :sadbron: so many racists and shytheads have claimed to support obama yet that has never had an effect on his popularity


I like how you invoke Obama’s name but not his message about not acting like you have to treat your opponent like an other. He didn’t insult Hilary, he just put his message out and unified. They go low we go high.


You and other people really don’t understand why Obama was popular so anytime a Bernie, Hilary, or Bootyjudge can’t replicate his numbers or success their supporters start insulting Obama or people for not acting the same for their candidate l.

So go ahead and think any passion is okay. Cause the same passion that gets us Trump or Evangelicals destroying our courts with incompetent judges is the same passion you advocating for.
 

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Perhaps Liz voterbase needs more people who are actually advocates and passionate about their canidate instead of a bunch of cornball wet blankets who just wish those big meanie bernie bros would be less rowdy.

Iowa fukkery screwed liz and attempted to dampen Bernie's victory. Two things can be true at once. Liz voterbase should be as vocal as anyone's but yall too busy trying to draw contrasts to sanders supporters on some weird "trying to be the bigger person" shyt.


Yall THINK it makes her look better, more serious and mature but it just exposes the lack of enthusiasm voters have for Liz.

Bernie supporters have been vocal and vigilant which lets me know his people understand the context of his candidacy (very important) and shows the dedication of his voters

Oh well, I guess yall will settle for passive aggressive "b b but bernie bros" shyt the entire election. Hopefully Liz has actual fans who realize how progressives are being shafted and she makes an official coalition with Bernie
:russell:

Running conspiracy theories isn't a good look regardless of who the candidate is. That's not being passionate, it's being deranged. Liz has moved on and is trying to win NH. If she loses fairly, then she loses. But from the looks of it, Bernie stans will be on full Pepe Silvia mode even if he loses fairly. The only result these people will acknowledge as legitimate is a Bernie victory. Instead of concocting conspiracy theories, I'd be more focused on the failure to get turnout above 2016 numbers, but that's just me :coffee:.
 

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For all this talk of revolution and coalition-building, some of these people are terrible at it :heh:
We don’t have time for Pinky Raised Politics from the Warren coalition. Y’all are mostly reasonable people and you’ll get behind Bernie if he wins the nom anyways, so it doesn’t really matter. Because that’s what nice people do. They fall in line. Thanks for that.
 

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Results from the Iowa Democratic caucuses were delayed by “quality control checks” on Monday night. Days later, quality control issues have not been resolved.

The results released by the Iowa Democratic Party on Wednesday were riddled with inconsistencies and other flaws. According to a New York Times analysis, more than 100 precincts reported results that were internally inconsistent, that were missing data or that were not possible under the complex rules of the Iowa caucuses.

In some cases, vote tallies do not add up. In others, precincts are shown allotting the wrong number of delegates to certain candidates. And in at least a few cases, the Iowa Democratic Party’s reported results do not match those reported by the precincts.

Some of these inconsistencies may prove to be innocuous, and the irregularities do not indicate an intentional effort to compromise or rig the result. There is no apparent bias in favor of the leaders Pete Buttigieg or Bernie Sanders, meaning the overall effect on the winner’s margin may be small.

But not all of the errors are minor, and they raise questions about whether the public will ever get a completely precise account of the Iowa results. With Mr. Sanders closing to within 0.1 percentage points with 97 percent of 1,765 precincts reporting, the race could easily grow close enough for even the most minor errors to delay a final projection or raise doubts about a declared winner.

The errors suggest that many Iowa caucus leaders struggled to follow the rules of their party’s caucuses, or to adopt the additional reporting requirements introduced since 2016. They show that the Iowa Democratic Party, despite the long delays, failed to validate all of the results fully before releasing them to the public.

Mandy McClure, a spokeswoman for the Iowa Democratic Party (I.D.P.), said the party reported the data as provided to it by the precinct caucuses.

“The caucus math work sheet is the official report on caucus night to the I.D.P., and the I.D.P. reports the results as delivered by the precinct chair,” she said. “This form must be signed by the caucus chair, the caucus secretary and representatives from each campaign in the room who attest to its accuracy. Under the rules of the delegate selection process, delegates are awarded based off the record of results as provided by each precinct caucus chair.”

Just about every election night includes reporting errors. They can be difficult to identify, but can often be corrected during a recount or a postelection canvass. This year’s Iowa caucuses are the reverse: Errors are now easy to identify, and hard to correct.

The errors are detectable because of changes to the way the Iowa Democratic Party reports its results, put in place after the Sanders campaign criticized the caucus results in 2016. This cycle, and for the first time, the party released three sets of results corresponding to different steps in the caucus process. The rules are complex and thorough, and they create conditions in which the results can be obviously inaccurate or inconsistent within a precinct.

First, caucusgoers express their preference for a candidate upon arrival, and these votes are recorded in a “first alignment.” Then, candidates with limited support at a precinct, usually less than 15 percent, are deemed not viable; their supporters get a chance to realign to support a viable candidate. The preference at this point is recorded as well, and it’s called the final alignment.

Viable candidates can’t lose support on realignment, but there were more than 10 cases where a viable candidate lost vote share in the final alignment, even though that is precluded by the caucus rules.

No new voters are permitted to join the caucus after the first alignment. But in at least 70 precincts, more than 4 percent of the total, there are more tabulated total votes on final alignment than on first alignment.

Many of these cases could be simple tabulation mistakes in a precinct caucus that otherwise went smoothly, like a West Des Moines precinct that reported the first alignment results only for the “nonviable” candidates (those who didn’t meet the 15 percent threshold) but still reported final alignment results for the viable ones. Others appear to be more serious.

At the next step in the process, each precinct allots county delegates based on final preference, and these county delegates are reported to the news media as “state delegate equivalents,” which approximate the number of delegates won at the state convention. Each precinct caucus gets a set number, but a handful of precincts allotted more state delegate equivalents than they had available.

Notably, there are dozens of precincts where there is a discrepancy between the final preference vote and the number of state delegate equivalents allotted. This includes more than 15 cases in which a candidate received fewer state delegate equivalents than another despite receiving more votes in the final alignment.

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In these cases, it is not obvious whether the state delegates or the final alignment results were reported inaccurately.

The Iowa Democratic Party has corrected some errors, but the errors became far more frequent on Wednesday as the count dragged on.

On Wednesday afternoon, the Iowa Democratic Party released a wave of results showing Deval Patrick sweeping central Des Moines. That was incorrect. Mr. Sanders’s votes had been reported as being for Mr. Patrick, while Elizabeth Warren’s tallies went to Tom Steyer.

A plausible explanation is that an Iowa Democratic Party staff member accidentally copied the results of one column too far to the left in a spreadsheet for some precincts. Such errors inevitably occur in manual data entry, but the Iowa Democratic Party does not appear to have enough quality checks to assure that it reports accurate results.

The Iowa Democratic Party quickly corrected these errors, and they are not included in our overall count of discrepancies in more than 100 precincts. The party has not yet addressed other irregularities reported to it or circulating on social media. In another case, The Times alerted the party to an error at 6 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday that remained in the data released several hours later.

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The Times is continuing to report the Iowa Democratic caucus results as released by the party and has alerted the party to an extensive list of precinct errors.

There is no reason to believe that Mr. Sanders or Mr. Buttigieg did materially better in the contaminated precincts than they did elsewhere, either over all or controlling for their demographic characteristics. But the tabulated result could be close enough for the remaining ambiguity to preclude a projection of a winner.

Even if the appropriate candidate is deemed the winner, the irregularities in the results are likely to do little to restore public confidence in the Iowa caucuses.
 

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We don’t have time for Pinky Raised Politics from the Warren coalition. Y’all are mostly reasonable people and you’ll get behind Bernie if he wins the nom anyways, so it doesn’t really matter. Because that’s what nice people do. They fall in line. Thanks for that.
:manny: I'll immediately fall in line because I actually like Bernie and the potential of his movement, so it's not a tough sell for me at all. But not everyone the movement needs will be like me. This bend the knee shyt isn't a good look for the coalition building that will need to take place. You're not getting M4A or GND or any of the good shyt Bernie is talking about without moderate and establishment Dems getting on board.
 
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We don’t have time for Pinky Raised Politics from the Warren coalition. Y’all are mostly reasonable people and you’ll get behind Bernie if he wins the nom anyways, so it doesn’t really matter. Because that’s what nice people do. They fall in line. Thanks for that.


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Jeezuz.

This post is the equivalent of what it would look like if the Warren campaign was headquartered at Camp Crystal Lake and Jason Voorhees showed up at night wearing a smiley face emoji instead of a hockey mask.
 
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Perhaps Liz voterbase needs more people who are actually advocates and passionate about their canidate instead of a bunch of cornball wet blankets who just wish those big meanie bernie bros would be less rowdy.

Iowa fukkery screwed liz and attempted to dampen Bernie's victory. Two things can be true at once. Liz voterbase should be as vocal as anyone's but yall too busy trying to draw contrasts to sanders supporters on some weird "trying to be the bigger person" shyt.


Yall THINK it makes her look better, more serious and mature but it just exposes the lack of enthusiasm voters have for Liz.

Bernie supporters have been vocal and vigilant which lets me know his people understand the context of his candidacy (very important) and shows the dedication of his voters

Oh well, I guess yall will settle for passive aggressive "b b but bernie bros" shyt the entire election. Hopefully Liz has actual fans who realize how progressives are being shafted and she makes an official coalition with Bernie
:dahell: Man stfu. Y’all nikkas just crazy. Type to take your ball and go home shyt. Go on twitter all day long to bytch and complain.

Its really telling how that chart someone posted yesterday how liz supporters are willing to ride with anyone if liz doesn’t win. Every other candidate supporters are the type to not vote and give us four more years of trump. Y’all bros gon find out real quick when trump get 2 more Supreme Court seats and rolls back civil rights:ufdup:
 

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I like how you invoke Obama’s name but not his message about not acting like you have to treat your opponent like an other. He didn’t insult Hilary, he just put his message out and unified. They go low we go high.

You're conflating Bernie as a person and his supporters, missing the point of the obama comparison completely.

Sanders is the same in his messaging, he dilligently stays away from race and identity politics and unifies people against inequality & unjust systems. He criticizes his rivals on policy rather than personally. Bernie himself is a really nice guy, perhaps too nice for politics. He unifies on ideas.

This is what brought so much diversity to his supporters. Whites and minorities, " Toxic" and otherwise. And I fukk with it, someone has to have the teeth he doesnt. :manny:

You only talk about messaging NOW when Obama is brought up but you were complaining about people on the internet this whole time.

You and other people really don’t understand why Obama was popular so anytime a Bernie, Hilary, or Bootyjudge can’t replicate his numbers or success their supporters start insulting Obama or people for not acting the same for their candidate l.
Bro Obama's success is not no mystery lol

This seems entirely in your perception. I dont know what you're talking about here


So go ahead and think any passion is okay. Cause the same passion that gets us Trump or Evangelicals destroying our courts with incompetent judges is the same passion you advocating for.
Yes that same passion is what got us trump, thats why we need passion on the left to beat him.

Your arguing from a fallacious position. Passion itself isnt evil. It can manifest itself as evil if it comes from evil people sure. But passion is what makes people show up in an otherwise politically disengaged society.

People (who are a minority in number) were motivated to vote for trump, thats what got him the win. They may have been mean spirited people motivated by mean spirited intention but they showed up.

What if the left could energize the regular decent folks who make up the majority of the country instead of trotting out another candidate that serves mainly the DNC's intrests for the people to begrudgingly vote for. Because the latter worked out so well before...
 
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