Official Black Panther MCU Thread

[Kitsune]

Stopped watching after Klaw died but the movie wasn’t living up to expectation, the scenes were brief without impact, the fighting scenes had very simple choreography and the audience weren’t given true sense of Wakanda, didn’t seem as grand in its depiction. Killmongers performance felt rushed, his lines brief and candid. His intro lines were were childlike. “Can you tell me about this painting? *walks to the next one* How about this one? *walks to the next one* Now how about that one?. No response or anything, just useless dialogue, very bad first impression. T’Challa lacked presence and did not feel like a king, the woman had firmer conviction than him, he felt timid amongst the cast, his character seemed different from the way it was in CW

 

[Cladyclad]

Stopped watching after Klaw died but the movie wasn’t living up to expectation, the scenes were brief without impact, the fighting scenes had very simple choreography and the audience weren’t given true sense of Wakanda, didn’t seem as grand in its depiction. Killmongers performance felt rushed, his lines brief and candid. His intro lines were were childlike. “Can you tell me about this painting? *walks to the next one* How about this one? *walks to the next one* Now how about that one?. No response or anything, just useless dialogue, very bad first impression. T’Challa lacked presence and did not feel like a king, the woman had firmer conviction than him, he felt timid amongst the cast, his character seemed different from the way it was in CW

Bootleg?

 

[Benefited]

Stopped watching after Klaw died but the movie wasn’t living up to expectation, the scenes were brief without impact, the fighting scenes had very simple choreography and the audience weren’t given true sense of Wakanda, didn’t seem as grand in its depiction. Killmongers performance felt rushed, his lines brief and candid. His intro lines were were childlike. “Can you tell me about this painting? *walks to the next one* How about this one? *walks to the next one* Now how about that one?. No response or anything, just useless dialogue, very bad first impression. T’Challa lacked presence and did not feel like a king, the woman had firmer conviction than him, he felt timid amongst the cast, his character seemed different from the way it was in CW

You liked Klaw that much?

I do agree with the last part about Tchalla overall,not that Chadwick wasn't great. But I have made the same statement about his lack of conviction,this is the second movie where a villian was able to play on his kind and forgiving heart. I will say it will be interesting if we get to watch him become hardened as the series goes on.

I know a black audience will be able to handle a ruthless Tchalla who doesn't care about anybody or anything but Wakanda. But this is a Marvel movie,they still want to bring in white people. Plus at the end of the day its a kids movies,and I don't know if kids can handle there heroes not being clearcut good guys. But leading up to the movie and discovering him,that made him interesting to me. In that he didn't really give a damn about other peoples agendas but those that helped his country.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Showed Coog's director skills so much more than BP

I understand Marvel has a template/formula, but, wish we saw his style more

The biggest problem with the action was the over-reliance on CGI the Russo bros were able to shoot more practical action to balance the CGI.
Hopefully, they take that approach for the sequel.

She basically told it all..


- Marvel likes a lot of control/freedom for post production
- Her and Ryan had a learning curve of shooting pre-vis/VFX shots
- Learning curve on blocking for a superhero movie
- She had to operate inside a sandbox in terms of creativity
- They used just 1 or 2 cameras. Avengers used 12 (maybe a mistake for the big battle)


She said Marvel was incredibly supportive though.

Its just that Coogler/Morrison just didn't have a lot of experience for VFX heavy film. Even the Russos first film Winter Soldier was practical. By the time they had to do Civil War it was easier.

However, yea....real locations + more freedom would have allowed for Creed type visuals/camera work...not everybody nails how to handle action/VFX heavy stuff for their first big budget film..

So even though the tribal fights are great. Its probably certain shots/angles they coudn't do or weren't comfortable doing because they had to make sure the continuity/VFX would match up.

It's made 1.2 billion dollars....film the damn movie in Africa and lets hope Coogler/Morrison get more comfortable with action and vfx shots..

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

 

[kingdarius]

Stopped watching after Klaw died but the movie wasn’t living up to expectation, the scenes were brief without impact, the fighting scenes had very simple choreography and the audience weren’t given true sense of Wakanda, didn’t seem as grand in its depiction. Killmongers performance felt rushed, his lines brief and candid. His intro lines were were childlike. “Can you tell me about this painting? *walks to the next one* How about this one? *walks to the next one* Now how about that one?. No response or anything, just useless dialogue, very bad first impression. T’Challa lacked presence and did not feel like a king, the woman had firmer conviction than him, he felt timid amongst the cast, his character seemed different from the way it was in CW

cut it off after the racist cac died huh

 

[Kitsune]

Bootleg?

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[chico25]

Put locker stream, decent quality

Negged

 

[Kitsune]

You liked Klaw that much?

I do agree with the last part about Tchalla overall,not that Chadwick wasn't great. But I have made the same statement about his lack of conviction,this is the second movie where a villian was able to play on his kind and forgiving heart. I will say it will be interesting if we get to watch him become hardened as the series goes on.

I know a black audience will be able to handle a ruthless Tchalla who doesn't care about anybody or anything but Wakanda. But this is a Marvel movie,they still want to bring in white people. Plus at the end of the day its a kids movies,and I don't know if kids can handle there heroes not being clearcut good guys. But leading up to the movie and discovering him,that made him interesting to me. In that he didn't really give a damn about other peoples agendas but those that helped his country.

You’re right that the movie being tethered to Disney removes it from being too outspoken in a political sense but characterization wise they could’ve done a bit more. The movie didn’t really give insight to his intelligence or anything, his dialogue wasn’t much engaging and he seemed reactionary more than anything. He wouldn’t speak until spoken too, getting punked by a teenager,, having a cac laugh in his face, being talked down by that dude from get out etc etc. I don’t know how anyone would let these pass, maybe one or two but the combination made him feel like acweak character. I didn’t even finish the movie so I’m sure there’s more to add. It worked for Simba because he was a little kid but dude is a full grown man

 

[Roman Brady]

If those Iron Man films came out today, the writers would be fukking crucified by the feminist movement for the portrayal of women. I dont have strong emotions about the topic, but I rewatched IM1 the other week and I sort of cringed at how the female characters are written in that movie, especially Gwineth Paltrow's role as Pepper Potts.

More than made up for that in p3 tho at the expense of the audience

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I don't think people understand the reason for the lack of fighting in this movie.

The conflict was internal . Killmonger resented Wakandans but at the same time that was his family. His aggression was out of abandonment. Abandonment by his family and the abandonment of black people all over the world by Wakanda.

All Killmonger wanted to do is kill the king. It didn't matter who it was. That was his sole purpose in life to the point it consumed him. Killmonger was in a way no different than Zemo. They had different motives but got caught up in the same rage.

This wasn't your typical good guy vs. Bad guy flick. Klaw who was supposed to be your typical villian was killed off in a way to show how insignificant he was to the story.

 

[Versa]

With the exception of the final fight which I thought was just average (though I thought the railroad affecting their suits was a dope touch) I liked all the action scenes.

- both warrior falls fights were powerful
- loved the casino fight + car chase
- loved the civil war between the dora, jobari and border tribe

And as I said, the ONLY time the cgi bothered me was when they were falling from onto the railroad. Otherwise I was good. I thought the cgi with their ship was dope AF.

Please be careful when it comes to how these cacs move when it comes to scrutinizing our art.I'm by no means saying the film is perfect and beyond reproach. No film is, but I find it funny how cacs have no issue dealing with

- The fights in all three dark knight movies being shot in a way that makes it difficult to keep track of what's going on.

- that Batman fights stiff and clunky for a guy who is supposed to be the ultimate martial artist. The action in those movies in general are nothing to write home about for the most part

- Batman's weird ass grizzly voice (I like it, but it's been criticized a ton)

And other flaws/inconsistencies to stil label TDK the goat Superhero movie, but we gotta sit here and defend some spotty CGI in parts and a lack of action. fukk all that. Movie was a masterpiece despite the shortcomings we acknowledge.

BTW, this is coming from someone who considered The Dark Knight to be my favorite movie ever until BP and WS came through and made me pause.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I don't think people understand the reason for the lack of fighting in this movie.

The conflict was internal . Killmonger resented Wakandans but at the same time that was his family. His aggression was out of abandonment. Abandonment by his family and the abandonment of black people all over the world by Wakanda.

All Killmonger wanted to do is kill the king. It didn't matter who it was. That was his sole purpose in life to the point it consumed him. Killmonger was in a way no different than Zemo. They had different motives but got caught up in the same rage.

This wasn't your typical good guy vs. Bad guy flick. Klaw who was supposed to be your typical villian was killed off in a way to show how insignificant he was to the story.

I was good with the lack of fighting. Just feel like Coogler's style was somewhat limited. I felt like the Casino scene was full on Coogler. BP in the old suit looked like full Coogler....but for some there wasn't enough lighting. That final fight seemed like it was restricted or just let someone else handle it. And as I said earlier there were some shots they probably couldn't do in the tribal fight because of pre-vis concerns. Its not that those are bad. It's just that it could have been great.

With the exception of the final fight which I thought was just average (though I thought the railroad affecting their suits was a dope touch) I liked all the action scenes.

- both warrior falls fights were powerful
- loved the casino fight + car chase
- loved the civil war between the dora, jobari and border tribe

And as I said, the ONLY time the cgi bothered me was when they were falling from onto the railroad. Otherwise I was good. I thought the cgi with their ship was dope AF.

Please be careful when it comes to how these cacs move when it comes to scrutinizing our art.I'm by no means saying the film is perfect and beyond reproach. No film is, but I find it funny how cacs have no issue dealing with

- The fights in all three dark knight movies being shot in a way that makes it difficult to keep track of what's going on.

- that Batman fights stiff and clunky for a guy who is supposed to be the ultimate martial artist. The action in those movies in general are nothing to write home about for the most part

- Batman's weird ass grizzly voice (I like it, but it's been criticized a ton)

And other flaws/inconsistencies to stil label TDK the goat Superhero movie, but we gotta sit here and defend some spotty CGI in parts and a lack of action. fukk all that. Movie was a masterpiece despite the shortcomings we acknowledge.

BTW, this is coming from someone who considered The Dark Knight to be my favorite movie ever until BP and WS came through and made me pause.

I think outside of the final fight scene I found all the action good too. However, the point of the previous post was that we didn't get Creed type level of camera work with the action was because Coogler/Morrison were a bit restricted in a way. He wasn't as comfortable shooting certain things or knew how to make it work when factoring in the VFX.

The action is good. I didn't need action the entire movie. However, with Ryan's talent the action could have been as great as the story and characters. Just wasn't as comfortable shooting that stuff in the sandbox. That would have made the movie perfect imo. I'm of the belief that if the action/CGI was all the way on point...this movie would have been Lord of the Rings status where its the favorite to win the damn oscar.

Learning experience I guess.

 

[BXKingPin82]

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[gluvnast]

Stopped watching after Klaw died

Not only you missed on the revolutionary Gawd, Killmonger, set forth his agenda to eradicate White Supremacy because you stopped after a pure Colonizer got killed.... you watched not even half the film on bootleg. NEGGED