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Which path should COLI token go down?

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  1. DIgital Souvenir, sentimental in value.

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  2. If I have 10M COLI tokens, and the price rises to $1, then that means...

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  1. Red

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    As the conversation is turning to marketing, two observations..

    Coliseum is obviously not how you spell colosseum. The spelling mistake is going to be noted and effect perception.

    Also the logo-- the silhouette of the colosseum-- will require obtaining the rights to its use which will cost a significant sum. Permission is also likely to be refused.
     
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    Both spellings are correct, bro, but coliseum is the spelling commonly used in the US.
     
  3. Legend

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    Not only is it the correct spelling, but with regards to the logo silhouette, if you're talking about the design that's on my website---I created that. I don't need permission from anyone.
     
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    Well, you see the thing is you're using an image of the colosseum in Rome which is called the colosseum. Of course there are coliseums-- outdoor stadiums-- but you're using a picture of a specific building and that building is not called and has never been called the coliseum. If you are drawing a specific correlation between the name and the image/branding, as is clearly the inference, then the spelling is incorrect.

    Also the colosseum is owned by the Italian state, including its likeness. You may have drawn or created that image but that's immaterial. You can't redraw the Nike swoosh or the apple logo and use them as your brand identity on the basis that you drew them yourself.

    A shoe company paid $28 million for the rights to use the image/likeness of the colosseum. I know the chances of success of this project are miniscule but if this does exceed expectations you're going to need permission for the branding. And you're going to be refused.
     
  5. Legend

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    Some of my members have advised me not to bother with stuff like this anymore, but I can't help it when I see inaccurate, downright wrong information being placed in this thread.

    First of all, the "Roman Colosseum" is an amphitheatre. You make the erroneous assertion that its likeness is unique. It's not. There are actually 7 amphitheatres remaining in the world today. The most famous is, indeed, the Roman Colosseum. But there are others. And these structures are more commonly given the title of amphitheatre or Coliseum. Not Colosseum, Coliseum. So no, my spelling is not incorrect. And they all look just like the Roman Colosseum---because, you know, that's how these structures are built.

    I researched your claim and couldn't find any shred of evidence of a shoe deal being made with the city of Rome/Italy for $28 million dollars to use the so-called 'likeness' of the Roman Colosseum.

    What I found instead was a billionaire owner of a luxury shoe brand giving $30 million dollars to Italy in an effort to repair the Roman Colosseum.

    Italy turns to shoe company billionaire to pay for Colosseum renovations | The World from PRX

    A fashion company is paying to maintain Rome’s Colosseum | PBS NewsHour Weekend

    Made In Italy: Tod’s To Pay For The Roman Colosseum’s Renovation (elle.com)

    By all means, provide a source for this "shoe company" that paid $28 million to slap an amphitheatre on its shoes. And even if true, I would wager that they were seeking permission to explicitly use the words Roman Colosseum in their marketing of the shoe.

    Your likeness argument is invalid. An amphitheatre isn't some unique, trademarked brand. The exclusive rights to draw an amphitheatre doesn't 'belong' to Italy, the same way the rights to draw a computer doesn't belong to Microsoft or Apple. I can draw it and sell it If I want to.

    An amphitheatre is a structure. Structures that were common back in the day.. My artwork is based on an amphitheatre, not "The Roman Colosseum". So, your presumption that it's an explicit representation of the Roman Colosseum is fallacious. That's like me drawing the silhouette of a 4-door sedan, and you telling me I have to get permission from Toyota to use it, when every other car maker in the world builds vehicles using the 4-door concept.

    In case you're curious, here are other amphitheatres.

    The Amphitheatre of El Jem in Tunisia

    Pula Arena in Croatia

    Roman Arena (Arles) in France

    Amphitheatre Pozzuoli in Italy

    Verona Arena in Italy

    Amphitheatre of Nimes in France

    My silhouette drawing could be representative of any of those amphitheatres. How many Nike logos can we find in the world? How many Apple logos?

    You're really sitting in front of your keyboard, comparing historically common structures to uniquely designed fashion and tech brand logos?

    I'm all for receiving advice when someone has good advice to give, but the indignation you carry when trying to present legal advice---flawed at that---is wild.
     
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    Name your token coli token, from a website called the coliseum, and even write welcome to the coliseum on your website, with a silhouette taken from the colosseum then claim it's actually a generic silhouette of a generic amphitheatre brehs :mjlol:

    Look, you even supply the evidence yourself that you're being disingenuous. All the amphitheatre links you provide clearly show none of them have the 4 floor structure with an acute damaged wall on the third and fourth floors. Have you even been to the colosseum? It's immediately obvious that's the source of the branding.

    The image you've used to create the brand logo is one of the colosseum ripped straight from Google images. It is not generic. The name to image correlation says it all also. You're acting in bad faith to suggest otherwise.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...m/news-story/2922022a24bfeb5992fd8f7bc59fc438

    VW couldn't even get permission to film at the colosseum from the Italian state because they'd sold exclusive rights to the use of the image and likeness already, but hey you're good because you used Paint Shop Pro 8 to create your likeness of the colosseum :russ:

    OK bro, it's clear you're quite poor at receiving advice and you're going to continue with your belief persistence / confirmation bias. You think you know best so you do you. :hubie:
     
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    One, I read that article, and you didn't bother applying context to it (and you tried to be slick), so I will for those who read this.


    Secondly, I assume you haven't been inside the Roman Colosseum. It has 3 seating levels. There is no '4th' floor, starting from the base seating level. You're confused by the windows on the top, the same windows Pula Arena in Croatia has. Both the Pula and Colosseum have the same number of floors.

    You're opening sentence completely contradicts what you're trying to assert. I call my token the Coliseum? Check. On my website, I say welcome to the Coliseum? Check.

    .....But somehow, this explicitly relates to the Colosseum? When I just proved to you Coliseum is a name for amphitheater structures? And structural damage is not unique. The Colosseum doesn't have a monopoly on floor damage.

    What's baffling to me is you keep saying I'm making a name to image correlation with the Roman Colosseum, although you clearly admitted that I'm using Coliseum. And then telling me I'm wrong for using Coliseum! Like, you're trying to get me to use Colosseum. As if it won't make sense in your head until I completely reference the Roman Colosseum explicitly.

    The point of my argument was refuting the idea that the Roman Colosseum is equivalent to a Nike, or Apple logo. It's not even a brand. You just making a false equivocation to bolster your point.

    Yes, I've been to the Colosseum. Up and down, inside and out when I was stationed in Italy. Have you?

    Whether I sincerely based my drawing on a generic amphitheatre or not isn't a burden I need to prove. That's your job. You're making the claim I'm 'infringing' on the Colosseum likeness (there's that word again--likeness). And you already struck out with the floors argument. The surviving amphitheaters are all damaged in some form, that's not unique.

    You must not know what 'disingenuous' means, because you give a classic example:

    That article you posted doesn't substantiate your ludicrous claim that a shoe company paid Italy $28 million to use images of the Colosseum on it's shoes. First of all, Italy needed funding to repair the Amphitheatre. A luxury brand owner stepped up and offered to cover the repair costs. As part of the deal to provide funding, he wants his brand logo all over the entry tickets (might have been on them when I went there). He wanted billboards put up in the corridors. He wanted to use the influx of visitors to get exposure to his brand. This extended to his products. Shoes, bags, perfume.

    No shoe company went to Italy and said 'hey can we use the image of the Roman colosseum on our shoes?' and Italy said 'Sure, That'll be $28 million'.

    It was Italy who sought help. An opportunistic business man answered the call.

    You keep using the word 'likeness', although that term doesn't exist anywhere in the article. And that's important for you because you know that the term 'likeness' can include drawings. They're talking about photographs, and video.


    Volkswagen were trying to film within the Colosseum. Use the footage in its commercials. The Italian authorities deferred to the billionaire, only because he secured exclusive rights to the explicit images of the Colosseum. This would include motion picture.


    There's evidence to suggest this billionaire goes around offering to repair historical sites, so he can apply his brand in the wake.

    I think you're wrong no matter which path we go down. So for the sake of argument, let's assume I was basing my artwork on the Colosseum.

    The issue referenced in the article are real-world, explicable photos/videos of the Roman Colosseum. You're trying to equate that to an artist making a creative interpretation of the Colosseum. If what you say is true, that even for drawing a depiction of the roman colosseum, you're subject to a multi-million dollar licensing fee, then explain all these royalty-free images available for purchase on websites across the internet:

    Colosseum Stock Illustrations – 4,993 Colosseum Stock Illustrations, Vectors & Clipart - Dreamstime

    Colosseum logo Stock Photos, Illustrations and Vector Art | Depositphotos®

    Colosseum Logo Images, Stock Photos & Vectors | Shutterstock
    These are being sold by the artists. Unless you are going to really sit here and make the claim that every artist on the web paid Italy licensing fees to draw their colosseum, you make no sense at all and talking out your ass.

    What about Spartans? Is that 'likeness' protected too? They're unique to Greece. If so, better call up football teams across America and tell them Greece wants their money. What about the Pyramids in Egypt and Peru? I need a license to draw those? What about the rosetta stone? Stonehenge?


    You're trying so hard to tie a uniquely, distinct commercial brand design to an artist drawing the Colosseum---an amphitheatre. If every artist out there right now selling their logo design of the Colosseum paid millions of dollars to sell it, they wouldn't need to sell it.

    I don't assume this will be the last reply I get from you, so when you do reply, answer the questions I gave.

    Your smug attitude is the reason I reject your advice, outside the fact you're wrong.
     
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    Marketcap 35k and still rising. Steady growth from day 1. :blessed:
     
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    a @Legend :salute:
     
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    the directions are on www.colitoken.com
     
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    I've been to the Colosseum twice. There's a floor where the animals were stored before you get to the arena level, and the seating begins higher further than that. Strictly speaking the building has 5 levels.

    Your logo:
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    The Colosseum:
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    Stop being obtuse, breh. The image isn't original content created as a generic amphitheatre for a brand called Coliseum token that just so happens to exactly match a pre-existing building called the Colosseum exactly. This alone calls into question any other point you can raise as it's clear your assertions can't be relied upon. You are being disingenuous purposely.

    Likeness, when used in contexts such as image rights, means exact replication of how something looks or something that resembles it closely enough that others would be likely to have the opinion that it is the same/affiliated with the original owner of said likeness. It doesn't mean "just kinda looks like so no foul".

    The burden doesn't lay with me to prove that you based your brand identity on the Colosseum (although I have done just that with the images above alone.). The burden-- in this hypothetical scenario of this token becoming so well known to make everyone rich as fukk-- to successfully make the claim that you are infringing on any ownership would be for the owner of that likeness. That's not me.

    You state: "No shoe company went to Italy and said 'hey can we use the image of the Roman colosseum on our shoes?' and Italy said 'Sure, That'll be $28 million'."

    I never made such a claim. I stated the owner of a shoe company paid $28 million to acquire the commercial rights to the likeness. That is true. I stated VW had to seek the rights owners permission to utilise the likeness of the Colosseum in the advertising of their commercial enterprise. That is true.

    I don't think you understand what disingenuous means because you've been just that again in your quote I referenced above.

    The difference with the artwork of others being for sale is that they are selling their artwork. Different laws in different countries would cover that differently depending on the use and origin of the artwork being sold (photograph, painting, architectural, etc). Plus they're barely making noise. They are not branding an enterprise that could falsely give the impression to consumers that the enterprise is an officially licensed endeavour from the Colosseum/rights owner. Technically speaking, if the rights owner wanted to they could make the same arguments for that artwork if it was being used in a commercial manner, subject to the specifics and the local legislation. Just because that's not drawn litigation from the owner thus far so therefore it's legal and fine is a reckless assumption. Look at the Lil Nas X Nike shoe situation. I genuinely don't think you understand image rights. And I don't mean image as in photograph or drawing, before you start down that road.

    I'm saying: if you get your token to worldwide notoriety (highly unlikely) then the current branding will become an issue. You could always change when you get the cease and desist, if they don't jump straight into litigation. Until then it's largely an academic argument that is simply being flagged.

    You're clearly remedial in your cognitive processing.

    Now I've been in court all day so I'm going to chill out. You enjoy your rage posting that your persecution complex is driving you to engage in, breh.
     
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    Soooo you're basically saying kill the project just cause you don't want it to succeed?
     
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    This guy is really posting about spelling of all things :pachaha:

    @Legend don't bother responding to him. Only spend time addressing posters with real interest in the project.

    This site can be toxic with the hate. Just look at how they treated Akademiks. We talk about uplifting our communities but everytime someone tries to build something yall will be the first to try and tear a breh down.

    We moving up and onwards regardless what the doubters say :myman:
     

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