Official fired NFL coaches thread

[godkiller]

Are whole system is garbage...The same system that kept Marvin for 15 seasons. We strive to be mediocre it’s like we are the NFL Grizzlies.

The Bengals' system is good enough to win. You fired 1 OC because Dalton wasn't playing well earlier in the season. Now you're firing another OC because Dalton isn't playing well. At what do you Bengals' fans blame Dalton?

The factor that doesn't change and keeps sucking is Dalton. Ero the problem is Andy Dalton.

As long as you have Dalton, who is a limited second round pocket passer, you'll never win anything. The same is true of Kirk Cousins. Second round pocket passers who have started 50+ plus games, and are still garbage, remain garbage. Drew Brees was a top 5 QB after gifted weapons and some 3-4 season time. Dalton has no excuse and is the problem with Cincinatti. Similarly, Jay Cutler was the problem in Chicago.

All of the following QBs are coach killing garbage: Andy Dalton, Matt Stafford, Ryan Tannehill.

 

[NatiboyB]

The Bengals' system is good enough to win. If a good QB was in the systems Dalton was win, said QB would win.The problem is Dalton not Marvin.

If the system is good enough to win explain how come we haven't won? It's not Dalton we've seen random second stringers even third stringers end up winning playoff games...

We are a mediocre franchise and sticking with a coach who in 15 seasons didn't win a playoff game only to give him another season would be further fruitless...Look back over the 15 years of marvins coaching time. except for Carson Palmer Andy is the best QB we have....If Andy is such an issue why haven't we moved on from him other than him being the NFLs median QB...And that's on Marvin and the owner.

 

[daboywonder2002]

I'm curious if Patricia would make a good head coach or not. I knew the Lions would be asking for him for sure, but Giants could make a lot of sense too.

I'm thinking McDaniel may finally take a job now too. I thought he was 100% staying to Bill to retire and Brady to give way to Garrappolo, but since that's broken, he may move.

What Pats assistants have? That's the one knock against those guys to me.

 

[godkiller]

If the system is good enough to win explain how come we haven't won? It's not Dalton we've seen random second stringers even third stringers end up winning playoff games...

Andy Dalton's scouting report hints at why you haven't won with him.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Andrew Dalton

OVERVIEW
Dalton is four-year starter and proven winner, but he will have a difficult transition to the NFL. He is undersized and will not be able to take off and run at the next level. He is generally an accurate passer, however he will make some poor throws when his mechanics break down. Also, he plays in a very user friendly scheme where he throws to a lot of wide open receivers and it is unclear if he can fit the ball into tight windows. Dalton will need some time to learn a more complicated offense and he looks to be a mid-round pick.

STRENGTHS
Dalton is a well prepared player that scans the whole field and makes solid decisions. Has a quick release, a strong arm and is an accurate passer, especially on the run. Has great mobility in the pocket and shows very good instincts as a runner. Extremely productive collegiate career.
WEAKNESSES
On the shorter side and has a three-quarter delivery which will likely result in a lot of batted passes. Deeper throws will float at times when he does not set his feet. Played in a spread offense and will have to learn a pro style system. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket which nullifies his good mobility.

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The bolded above succinctly explains why Cincinatti hasn't won. You play Andy Dalton. He is, as his scouting report delineates, an undersized pocket passer with inconsistent mechanics that floats his deep ball and has middling pocket presence.

We are a mediocre franchise and sticking with a coach who in 15 seasons didn't win a playoff game only to give him another season would be further fruitless...Look back over the 15 years of marvins coaching time. except for Carson Palmer Andy is the best QB we have....If Andy is such an issue why haven't we moved on from him other than him being the NFLs median QB...And that's on Marvin and the owner.

You're blaming Marvin Lewis when it doesn't matter what coach Dalton has, Dalton will always suck on a consistent basis. Dalton is not the best QB Cincinatti has ever had. Palmer is better than Dalton. If Dalton is the best QB you have right now, that just means your team should draft a new QB. If Marvin is behind Dalton's continuing to play poorly at Cincy, he should indeed be fired, but I'm not so sure that's the case when there's Bengals fans like you defending Dalton and shifting blame. If Aaron Rodgers had AJ Green, he'd go deep in the playoffs every year. Dalton has no excuse. Draft another QB and keep drafting until you hit on a top 10 QB.

 

[NatiboyB]

And it still comes back to Marvin and Brown....If Dalton isn't getting it done than the coach can bench him...Marvin drafts the players just like he took Ross in the 1st and dude didn't even play...The BLUF is it will come back to Marvin...15 seasons deep he's done his thing it's time to move on...I'm also not the biggest Dalton fan but I standby my statement of him being the NFLs median QB...

Andy Dalton's scouting report hints at why you haven't won with him.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Andrew Dalton

OVERVIEW
Dalton is four-year starter and proven winner, but he will have a difficult transition to the NFL. He is undersized and will not be able to take off and run at the next level. He is generally an accurate passer, however he will make some poor throws when his mechanics break down. Also, he plays in a very user friendly scheme where he throws to a lot of wide open receivers and it is unclear if he can fit the ball into tight windows. Dalton will need some time to learn a more complicated offense and he looks to be a mid-round pick.

STRENGTHS
Dalton is a well prepared player that scans the whole field and makes solid decisions. Has a quick release, a strong arm and is an accurate passer, especially on the run. Has great mobility in the pocket and shows very good instincts as a runner. Extremely productive collegiate career.
WEAKNESSES
On the shorter side and has a three-quarter delivery which will likely result in a lot of batted passes. Deeper throws will float at times when he does not set his feet. Played in a spread offense and will have to learn a pro style system. Does not always feel pressure in the pocket which nullifies his good mobility.

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The bolded above succinctly explains why Cincinatti hasn't won. You play Andy Dalton. He is, as his scouting report delineates, an undersized pocket passer with inconsistent mechanics that floats his deep ball and has middling pocket presence.




You're blaming Marvin Lewis when it doesn't matter what coach Dalton has, Dalton will always suck on a consistent basis. Dalton is not the best QB Cincinatti has ever had. Palmer is better than Dalton. If Dalton is the best QB you have right now, that just means your team should draft a new QB. If Marvin is behind Dalton's continuing to play poorly at Cincy, he should indeed be fired, but I'm not so sure that's the case when there's Bengals fans like you defending Dalton and shifting blame. If Aaron Rodgers had AJ Green, he'd go deep in the playoffs every year. Dalton has no excuse. Draft another QB and keep drafting until you hit on a top 10 QB.

 

[Moody]

Dalton is ass we know that, but 13 years half of them playoff berths with almost nothing to show for it...

It's kinda looking like it's Marvin's choice whether he returns or not which is kinda surreal given his tenure.

 

[godkiller]

.....I mean do you even watch our team? I have my own feelings about Dalton and I don't think he's a great QB, but I think he's serviceable. And I wouldn't describe him as slow ever. Dude has sneaky white boy speed.

Our o-line was fukking garbage this year and the coaching staff had done a terrible job developing the tackles we drafted in the first and second round of the 2016 draft. Marvin refuses to play younger players over established veterans even when it is painfully obvious that they should play. He coddles certain players for no reason and is hesitant to make changes to his line up. William Jackson III has been one of the top CBs in all of football this season, but the only reason he got promoted to starter is because Pacman got injured. Dude's in game clock management is the worst in the league or next to it. He has no idea what to do with time outs or how to utilize them properly.

Nobody wants Marvin out because of the fukking QB situation. And even if you think that, Marvin never criticizes or calls out Andy for ANYTHINGGGGG. He throws every other fukking player under the bus as needed but Andy Dalton is never at fault. He's a nice guy and he's done some good things for kids in our community but he needs to fukking go. Dude's fire went out years ago.

I've watched Dalton. He still has the exact same problems his scouting report attributes to him. He's frozen in time . "Serviceable" means the same thing as "average". Ryan Fitzpatrick is "serviceable" on a strong team or against a weak schedule, but ultimately he isn't good enough to win a Superbowl. And based on both Fitzpatrick's and Dalton's lack of ability, they're both bound to kill their coaches after underachieving. This is simply the nature of their limitations. Alternatively, Dalton doesn't have any true "speed". He runs a 4.87 and didn't record a top 5 QB agility result. Dalton has average pocket passer speed, coupled with average pocket passer instincts, and an average pocket passer arm.

Philip Rivers had a sieve for an offensive line as late as last year, fewer weapons than Dalton, a weaker run game than Dalton, and still put up superior QB numbers. Russell Wilson has sieves for offensive lines at times, dances around them and produces more than Dalton. If the Bengals have a better QB with pocket presence or mobility, the offensive line is less of a problem. NFL QBs have to produce under pressure. The best QBs--Rodgers, Wilson, etc--can produce with and without a good offensive line. Jared Goff's pocket presence in college was monstrous. His composure isn't merely due to his line.

Dalton holds your team back more than Marvin Lewis. Dalton touches the ball the most and his inefficiency puts more pressure on Lewis. No coach will remain employed with Dalton. If Marvin is bad after trying another good, it makes sense to fire him. But right now firing Marvin makes little sense when Andy Dalton is the same QB his scouting report said he was.

 

[godkiller]

And it still comes back to Marvin and Brown....If Dalton isn't getting it done than the coach can bench him...Marvin drafts the players just like he took Ross in the 1st and dude didn't even play...The BLUF is it will come back to Marvin...15 seasons deep he's done his thing it's time to move on...I'm also not the biggest Dalton fan but I standby my statement of him being the NFLs median QB...

If Marvin is to blame for Dalton starting, he should be fired. But again I'm not sure that's the case. This season the Giants' ownership overruled their coach when he elected to bench Eli Manning, who led his team to the #2 pick throwing off his back foot, fumbling away the ball, missing wide open throws from clean pockets, etc. Marvin may not be able to bench Dalton. Bengals should fire him if he believed in Dalton, but we don't know if that's the case. Ross is only a rookie, and sometimes rookie receivers don't play. That doesn't mean the coach should be fired.

 

[NatiboyB]

the dude legit didn't play at all man...At all.

If Marvin is to blame for Dalton starting, he should be fired. But again I'm not sure that's the case. This season the Giants' ownership overruled their coach when he elected to bench Eli Manning, who led his team to the #2 pick throwing off his back foot, fumbling away the ball, missing wide open throws from clean pockets, etc. Marvin may not be able to bench Dalton. Bengals should fire him if he believed in Dalton, but we don't know if that's the case. Ross is only a rookie, and sometimes rookie receivers don't play. That doesn't mean the coach should be fired.

 

[godkiller]

the dude legit didn't play at all man...At all.

Ross should be judged after 2-3 years not his rookie year, regardless of whether he played. Even if Ross played you still wouldn't win the Superbowl because Dalton isn't good enough. So what does it even matter in the end? Until you get rid of Dalton, you're stuck. One of the reasons I think the Bengals still have Dalton is because even more reasoned fans like you are attached to Dalton. He's basically your brother and more delusional Bengals' fans' father. Stafford gets even worse homer treatment.

 

[godkiller]

Dalton is ass we know that, but 13 years half of them playoff berths with almost nothing to show for it...

It's kinda looking like it's Marvin's choice whether he returns or not which is kinda surreal given his tenure.

The last 10 Superbowls have all been won by top 10 QBs like Brees, HOF'ers like Peyton and Joe Flacco, whom is 6'6 , quick for his size, and wields one of the strongest arms in the league. As such, the last decade shows that it's basically impossible for a coach of any standard to win with a QB like Andy Dalton. You're heaping blame on Marvin for something virtually no coach has done in the last 10 years. Dalton is the same 2nd round pick he was.

 

[NatiboyB]

Im not even a fan of Dalton...I just know he's not the main issue.

what did we win with Carson Palmer who had that big time talent level.

Ross should be judged after 2-3 years not his rookie year, regardless of whether he played. Even if Ross played you still wouldn't win the Superbowl because Dalton isn't good enough. So what does it even matter in the end? Until you get rid of Dalton, you're stuck. One of the reasons I think the Bengals still have Dalton is because even more reasoned fans like you are attached to Dalton. He's basically your brother and more delusional Bengals' fans' father. Stafford gets even worse homer treatment.

 

[JLova]

The last 10 Superbowls have all been won by top 10 QBs like Brees, HOF'ers like Peyton and Joe Flacco, whom is 6'6 , quick for his size, and wields one of the strongest arms in the league. As such, the last decade shows that it's basically impossible for a coach of any standard to win with a QB like Andy Dalton. You're heaping blame on Marvin for something virtually no coach has done in the last 10 years. Dalton is the same 2nd round pick he was.

Bruh, Flacco is trash. He lucked out big time that his contract year was the SB year. He also played pretty well in the playoffs but he was never a good QB. Overrated poop.

 

[godkiller]

Bruh, Flacco is trash. He lucked out big time that his contract year was the SB year. He also played pretty well in the playoffs but he was never a good QB. Overrated poop.

Flacco now has a 100 million dollar contract, 4 children, and says himself he leaves the Ravens' facility as early as possible. In other words, Flacco doesn't care about football anymore. At 6'6, quick and fast for his size, wielding rocket arm with accuracy, Flacco had ideal QB dimensions. In 2010, in only his 3rd year, Flacco registered an elite 7.5 AYA. Flacco cannot be compared to Stafford, Ryan Tannehill, etc. They can't throw defenders off them and outrun them at 6'6 like Flacco used to do. Flacco was never a top 10 QB but he always had that potential because of his size, arm strength, accuracy, etc.

 

[godkiller]

Pat Shurmur is a top pick for the Cards coaching job. He might bring Case Keemun with him while we groom a qb for the future.

@Cadillac @MooseMouthMthafuga @L@CaT @thewiz703 @AlphaOne thoughts?

He's a great OC and Keenum has developed. Shurmur is ideal for Arizona of you can get him.