OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[dora_da_destroyer]

She’s just a kid breh
Fan service was Jon & Dany as you mentioned and the elephant discussion in the throne room(for book readers). The Umbers needed horses and wagons, not sure what good a raven would be in that situation. Euron wasn't shown after Yara was rescued so we don't know what the aftermath will be yet.

This. I hate what they've done to Tyrion since he left KL. He's no longer the smartest person in the room or, seemingly among the smartest. The deal with the slavers backfired and had Grey Worm & Missendei hating him. It would have cost them their lives had Dany not shown up. He was a complete failure in season 7 with all the advice he gave Dany and now he's been tricked even by Cersei, and we know he's clearly smarter than her. He should have know how to work that room better Winterfell. He mentioned the Lannister army and was basically booed off the stage. They've reduced him to 3rd grade dikk jokes and Tyrion is so much more than that.

maybe they're setting him up for some big redemption

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Black twitter GOAT, but especially during GOT season.

these two

 

[JDH]

The old gods = Catholicism
Faith of the seven = Protestantism

 

[Ziggiy]

That excuse is getting old. At this point they went across the wall, brought back a creature. AND HAVE CONFIRMATION that the 8000 year old Wall has fallen and an undead army of 100K and an undead dragon are en route. You don't need a highlight reel to comprehend that. Jon came back with two dragons, a massive army, and metric tons of dragon glass. If Dany wasn't there to help why wouldn't she take King's Landing first before wasting her time coming North to fight some "insignificant" enemy. It should be common sense to them how "real" the threat truly is.

The Northerners are dumb, backwater hillbillies. It's okay to acknowledge that and be frustrated by it.

EXACTLY

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I gotta cut you off right there.

The reason is, he don't give a fukk about being king. He never asked for it. Never campaigned for it. The Northern lords thrust that title upon him. And to keep the peace he accepted it.

And he abandoned the title at the earliest possible moment, which was "bending the knee" to Dany.

That's it.

I'm not saying it was a good plan. Or smart. I'm not even saying, him wanting to fukk Dany didn't play a role in it. I'm saying it's not entirely unexpected, given who he is.

So yeah, I understand the logic behind the North and Sansa questioning him....but all that shyt is irrelevant. Dude is talking about the end of the world and they're focused on titles. He ain't got time for that shyt. And honestly if House Glover or whoever can't accept that then they deserve to die.

Fred.

Y'all just making up shyt to defend Jon at this point.

He didn't abandon the title at the earliest moment possible. He held firm to the title at Dragonstone despite the fact that he needed her dragons, her armies, and all that dragonglass. He risked ALL of that to keep his crown. And he WON in his standoff with Dany. Tryna make it seem like he was playing hot potato with the crown is juelzing to defend his lies on Sunday.


Edit: and this "he didn't want the crown" excuse actually makes Jon look even worse (if it were true). If he didn't want the crown, he should have refused the crown, not given away the whole fukking kingdom.

 

[Numpsay]

Rewatching the entire series and Tyrion never really seemed to be this great mind besides his role in the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Witty yes, but upon rewatch my opinion of him changed. Dude didn't really move all that smart at all, even in Kings Landing.

 

[hex]

Y'all just making up shyt to defend Jon at this point.

He didn't abandon the title at the earliest moment possible. He held firm to the title at Dragonstone despite the fact that he needed her dragons, her armies, and all that dragonglass. He risked ALL of that to keep his crown. And he WON in his standoff with Dany. Tryna make it seem like he was playing hot potato with the crown is juelzing to defend his lies on Sunday.

He held firm to the title, why exactly?

Because of how the North would react to a foreign queen. That's it. At no point was he ever interested in being king.

Matter of fact, the very first meeting he had with Dany, he told her how insignificant titles are. How they're all "children playing at a game".

Then in the cave he said the main reason he was refusing to bend the knee was because the North "won't accept a Southern ruler".

Only after she pledged to help him....for nothing in return....did he feel comfortable giving up his title. Because that showed him she would be selfless.

So....yeah.

Fred.

 

[CHICAGO]

Y'all just making up shyt to defend Jon at this point.

He didn't abandon the title at the earliest moment possible. He held firm to the title at Dragonstone despite the fact that he needed her dragons, her armies, and all that dragonglass. He risked ALL of that to keep his crown. And he WON in his standoff with Dany. Tryna make it seem like he was playing hot potato with the crown is juelzing to defend his lies on Sunday.


Edit: and this "he didn't want the crown" excuse actually makes Jon look even worse (if it were true). If he didn't want the crown, he should have refused the crown, not given away the whole fukking kingdom.

YOU DO REALIZE DANY WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY BURNED ANYONE WHO DIDNT BEND THE KNEE RIGHT?

JON BECOMING KING AND BENDING THE KNEE
PREVENTED AN EVENTUAL MASSACRE.



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[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

She couldn't have said one word to Jon?

Please do explain how you think things would have played out if she had told Jon. I already explained that if Ramsey knew the Vale was in the fold he would have never left castle and they had enough provisions to endure a multiyear siege.

It's unlikely that Jon would have heeded Sansa's advice (he explicitly stated she didn't know shyt about war tactics), however even if she was able to convince him to keep the Vale in his back pocket, do you really think that changes anything? Does Jon not go charging in to save Rickon in your version of events? Jon has gotten by with braun, but he does a lot of dumb shyt. From forcing his men to charge in after him (after Davos explicitly stated they had stay back cuz they were outnumbered) to getting Viserion killed so he could slay 10 more wights. I don't know why you're acting like Jon deserved to be trusted with that information. He either fukks it up bringing them in to early or things play out the same as they did.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

He held firm to the title, why exactly?

Because of how the North would react to a foreign queen. That's it. At no point was he ever interested in being king.

Matter of fact, the very first meeting he had with Dany, he told her how insignificant titles are. How they're all "children playing at a game".

Then in the cave he said the main reason he was refusing to bend the knee was because the North "won't accept a Southern ruler".

Only after she pledged to help him....for nothing in return....did he feel comfortable giving up his title. Because that showed him she would be selfless.

So....yeah.

Fred.

You're still juelzing. First you said he gave it up the first time he could cuz he didn't want it, now you're saying he gave it up cuz he felt she would be a selfless ruler. gtfoh.. Just say Jon can do no wrong in your eyes and keep it moving

 

[Stop_It_5]

Bro. The Tarly's were basically the Boltons. They committed treason against the Tyrells to side with Cersei. Olenna was an ally of Dany's. They killed all the Tyrells and their bannermen who they were sworn to. Dany was MERCIFUL in offering them two opportunities to live. Either they could bend the knee or go to the Wall. The Tarly's were disloyal trash. Sam doesn't know the details, and apparently neither do a lot of people watching the show given many of the comments I've seen across various forums.

Tyrion advised her against it because you're not gonna earn allegiance by giving people that proposition. The people that did bend that day did it strictly out of fear, not because they give a fukk about her or her cause.

dikkon Tarly also wasn't his father, there's a reason his death hit Sam 100x harder. dikkon flat out told Jamie and Bronn he knew a lot of those Tyrell men that were killed, but he had no choice but to follow his father or die. Throw him in a cell against his will like Tyrion suggested, show him you'd rather spare a life and possibly earn an ally down the line. Fying him was stupid and served no purpose


The point above all is that it's impossible for Daeny to feel a way about Jamie killing her family member when she did the same to Sam. If the Tarlys were disloyal trash then Aerys was the fukking scum of the earth and the stakes were infinitely higher when Jamie made his call.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

YOU DO REALIZE DANY WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY BURNED ANYONE WHO DIDNT BEND THE KNEE RIGHT?

JON BECOMING KING AND BENDING THE KNEE
PREVENTED AN EVENTUAL MASSACRE.



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Dany was gonna burn Jon? Y'all making up alternate realities now The juelzing is hilarious. So now Jon bent the knee for the same reason his ancestor did. Ok, breh

 

[Ziggiy]

Rewatching the entire series and Tyrion never really seemed to be this great mind besides his role in the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Witty yes, but upon rewatch my opinion of him changed. Dude didn't really move all that smart at all, even in Kings Landing.

People give him alot of props for being one of perhaps two people that could keep Joffrey somewhat in check. And that’s no small feat mind you.

Also he gets props because he makes just decisions in a world where being Just gets you killed more often than not

 

[CHICAGO]

Dany was gonna burn Jon? Y'all making up alternate realities now The juelzing is hilarious. So now Jon bent the knee for the same reason his ancestor did. Ok, breh

I DIDNT SAY ANY OF THAT.
DONT KNOW IF YOURE TROLLING OR DENSE...

WHEN EVERYTHING SETTLED
AND IT WAS TIME FOR DANY TO RULE
SHE WAS GONNA COME TO CLAIM THE NORTH ALSO...

GIVEN THE WAY THEY HAVE REACTED TOWARDS HER WITH JONS COSIGN
THEY WOULD HAVE SUFFERED THE SAME FATE AS THE SOUTHERNERS.



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[The Fukin Prophecy]

That excuse is getting old. At this point they went across the wall, brought back a creature. AND HAVE CONFIRMATION that the 8000 year old Wall has fallen and an undead army of 100K and an undead dragon are en route. You don't need a highlight reel to comprehend that. Jon came back with two dragons, a massive army, and metric tons of dragon glass. If Dany wasn't there to help why wouldn't she take King's Landing first before wasting her time coming North to fight some "insignificant" enemy. It should be common sense to them how "real" the threat truly is.

The Northerners are dumb, backwater hillbillies. It's okay to acknowledge that and be frustrated by it.

Westeros North is the equivalent of West Virginia...

Bunch of ungrateful, hateful inbred morons...