OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[Jhoon]

She was being condescending. It was ironic coming from her but she said it because no one else would refute it

I think she just wanted to test the room. I think she already knew the starks was rocking with the blond hair squad, she just wanted the friction to bring to Tyrion to her chambers where she would then proceed to chop his little corny ass up.

Dany should have just stormed Kings Landing. It’s not like she did not have the troops to make a squeeze.

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

yeah, hes a Targ. he was the Hand of the King for two Kings, then Lord Commander of the Nights Watch .. always heavy into magic/warging .. dude has a wild history

it gives me a new perspective on things too - I now believe he planted the 'burm them all' into the Mad King ala Bran planting 'hold the door' into Hodor ... which changes my thoughts on how things will now play out

if you look back at Danys visions at the House of the Undying, the Red Keep is covered in snow and nearly demolished

Im expecting the NK to make a swerve and attack KL, and then he gets a million new wights? Goddamn

Im thinking the visions 3ER planted in the Mad King forced him to create all the wild fire in KL too, to combat whats coming

We'll see.

Don't forget brans vision of a dragon flying over Kings landing

I also think night king will not be at the battle for winterfell. He will make that move South to Kings landing.

 

[Daniel.]

7 kingdom army

This is fukking dope.

 

[TheAlbionist]

A few questions for yall.. why in the world would Cersei want to marry Euron? She's using him for his ships. All signs point to her disposing of him after that. Also, when would the show have time to show any of this? It's probably one of the plotlines with the lowest hierarchy right now. Like I said, if the war ends, Cersi survives, and they focus on this dumb ass unborn child I'd be severely disappointed with the writers.

You need to remember who's writing this and what their source material is. This is British history retold in-extremis as a fantasy story.

ALL monarchs are preoccupied with their heirs. There are very few exceptions (Queen Elizabeth I, perhaps, but even that is arguable... her nation certainly was preoccupied with it and the two centuries following her heirless death is best described as a political clusterfukk of religious extermination and civil war).

A monarch, first and foremost, before they can do any sort of ruling has to convince their people they were chosen by God to rule the nation. If God hasn't seen fit to extend that rule into the next generation by blessing them with a healthy and legitimate heir, who the hell is going to believe them? A monarch that doesn't have an heir is a sitting duck for revolution and rebellion. Why do you think heirs are given such status? The Dauphin in France, the Prince of Wales in the UK... they are given titles as babies that show everyone they were sent by God to rule and that even as an infant they are more fit than you or I.

The reason Britain is a Protestant nation (and America too being still largely Protestant by extension) is because the King couldn't produce a reliable heir in the 1500s. The impacts of Monarchs struggling with their lineage can echo for CENTURIES, often longer than the actual political decisions they take. We are still living in nations shaped by the fact that Henry VIII wanted to get divorced because his first wife didn't give him a healthy male child. He's considered one of England's most "important" Kings but mainly he lost wars to France and won easy territory in Ireland... it's the handling of his lineage that created his only real lasting impact on modern society and it's a HUGE impact. Northern Ireland and mainland Britain were effectively at war from 1916 to 1997 and the roots of the conflict can be traced back to Henry VIII's need for a son.

The question of lineage has been posed to Daenerys by Tyrion too (given she's unmarried and claims to be barren), it's something GRRM clearly thinks about - which makes sense because it is THE most important question when you're looking at the stability of a monarchy, which is what GoT is all about - it's the story of how they get from the fall of the Targaryns to the next dynasty (or will that dynastic "wheel" be smashed)... will it be led by Cersei (if so, she needs an heir or there'll need to be another season or four of war when she croaks), Dany (ditto) or Jon who is in need of a *fertile* Queen to make an heir... or will it even look like something more... democratic? The availability of heirs plays into ALL of that.

Cersei has always talked about the Lannisters as a fledgling dynasty - like Tywin, that's all she really gives a fukk about. Her family ruling into perpetuity. If she doesn't have a legit heir, she knows her throne means nothing, she knows she's open to coups, usurpers and rebellions for the rest of her reign. Euron is the only *eligible* bachelor going. He's a King. He's got a navy. He's got a reputation. Win the war, call the blonde kid Greyjoy like she called Joffrey and Tommen Baratheon and the next generation of pure-bred Lannister dominance is sewn up. Cersei gets to die believing she's Aegon the Conqueror.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

7 kingdom army

White Walker recruitment video on deck!

 

[ig88]

Is this my alias?

You warging into me BRAN3000?

 

[Stop_It_5]

I think she was being condescending.

The same Ned her son beheaded?

Killing Ned wasn't her call, she tried to stop Joffrey but couldn't. You also gotta remember Ned could've easily told Robert what he found out about all the Lannister kids being Jamie's, but he went to Cersei first and gave her the opportunity to take her kids and run away.

She probably was being condescending/snarky with that comment, but everyone knows about Ned being honorable, she'd have no reason not to believe it herself since she experienced it first hand.

I think she just wanted to test the room. I think she already knew the starks was rocking with the blond hair squad, she just wanted the friction to bring to Tyrion to her chambers where she would then proceed to chop his little corny ass up.

Dany should have just stormed Kings Landing. It’s not like she did not have the troops to make a squeeze.

Storming kings landing means killing 1000s of innocent people, that's why Daeny hadn't done it yet. Snow referenced that during their first meeting.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

It’s basically what Stannis did to Mance when he refused to kneel and enlist the wildlings in Stannis’ battle against the Boltons. Conversely, Jon spared the Wildings when they refused to kneel and they ended up fighting on his behalf in the battle of the b*stards.

It's very similar to Mance, but a major difference is that Mance was the leader. So if he bends the knee, the war is over (well it was over once he was captured anyway), but it all ends with Mance.

With the Tarly's, they're just pieces on the board. If they bend the knee, they're traitors while their former leader is still at war. Dany's whole proposition was dumb. She beats them at battle so they join her cause against their former Queen and her army, their former brothers at arms? That's retarded. How could you trust fighting alongside people like that? Who's to say they wouldn't stab you in the back on the battlefield? That's why they haven't shown the host of Lannisters who did bend the knee that day since.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

7 kingdom army

Where do we file paperwork for a set change...

 

[Maxine Shaw]

Think back to season 2 when the honorable King Robb was racking up more prisoners than he could handle yet he always refused to mistreat them and refused to not feed them despite the strain it put on his resources.

Robb fought valiantly, Robb fought nobly...Robb died. Cumleesi is a scumbag, but that's not the reason why.

 

[iamduval]

did the show ever go into detail on the OG 3ER backstory? I cant remember honestly, but I just read up on him and goddamn there is ALOT to chew on there

didnt realize how deep in the game he was

Go on YouTube and watch all the Game of Thrones Lore episodes.

Also Brynden Rivers

 

[wingzboy]

In you sloppy nikkas

 

[wingzboy]

Can

She LIED to Jon about saving Rickon. Manipulating him into going to Winterfell under false pretense:

She LIED to Jon about having reinforcements, forcing him to go into battle undermanned. He even asked her point blank period what else should he do and she was like “” knowing DAMN well she had the Knights Of The Vale at her disposal

She argued with Jon PUBLICLY when he was making decisions as King of The North, undermining his authority.


Sansa makes decisions that benefit her true. And she should be commended for smartning up in that regard. But she doesn’t make QUEENLY decisions nor does she make decisions that would entice or inspire anyone to follow her lead. If she had pulled the shyt during the Battle Of The b*stards with ANYONE besides Jon they would murdered her the moment they saw her face again.

There is not one person on the show who should thank Sansa for anything.

can you elaborate on the Rickon part breh? I forgot that part except for bolton putting an arrow through him. Where was the manipulation?

 

[Ziggiy]

Can

can you elaborate on the Rickon part breh? I forgot that part except for bolton putting an arrow through him. Where was the manipulation?

When Sansa and Jon reunited at Castle Black she asked him where he was going. He said South to be warm and he was going to take her with him. She pleaded with him to go try to defeat Ramsay in order to get Rickon back. She didn’t make it about Winterfell she made it about family and Rickon. The Battle Of The b*stards from Jon’s perspective was to save Rickon. Sansa knew from the very beginning that Rickon was a goner but didn’t tell Jon that until the NIGHT BEFORE THE BATTLE. She put Jon’s life in danger on the foundation of a lie. Because she wanted revenge but was too weak of mind and body to get it herself. So she used Jon as her rook and Rickon as her pawn

Sansa has turned on every single family member, its laughable that Arya would hold her in any type of high esteem on the basis of family values. Thats just bad writing on the show’s part and should have never been included.

 

[Ziggiy]

It's very similar to Mance, but a major difference is that Mance was the leader. So if he bends the knee, the war is over (well it was over once he was captured anyway), but it all ends with Mance.

With the Tarly's, they're just pieces on the board. If they bend the knee, they're traitors while their former leader is still at war. Dany's whole proposition was dumb. She beats them at battle so they join her cause against their former Queen and her army, their former brothers at arms? That's retarded. How could you trust fighting alongside people like that? Who's to say they wouldn't stab you in the back on the battlefield? That's why they haven't shown the host of Lannisters who did bend the knee that day since.

Ehhhhh were NOT the Tarly’s already traitors for turning on the Tyrel’s and helping Jamie defeat Olenna? Whats one more betrayal if it means not being roasted alive? They were ALREADY oathbreakers which menas they didn’t ultimately give a fukk about “honor”. You see those OTHER soldiers saw reason and bent with the quickness.

Dany’s proposition wasn’t dumb at all. She offered them mercy and they declined. They died for what amounted to false pride. They were ALREADY traitors.


If i’m at war with someone and they kick my ass. And ultimately tell me “hey bro. I know its war and you had to choose a side, so you have a choice. You can swear fealty to me and all will be forgiven, or you can refuse and ima fukk you in the ass” what you think i’m choosing? I’m swearing fukking fealty because the opposite choice in the name of false pride is a TERRIBLE damn choice! The Tarly’s, like two buffoons, chose to get roasted. fukk them