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True. True... Jaime is a bytch...She said he died of a fever....John Arryn also died of a 'fever' we learned not long before that convo.
Cersei showed enough emotion to make me believe she didn't murder him, but I wouldn't put it past that bytch ass Jamie, afterall he's been infatuated with his sister since they were children. I feel fairly confident Jamie merked that boy.

The scene with Cersei and Catelyn by Bran’s bed never happened in the books. But, I completely over looked the story that Cersei told Catelyn in that scene when I rewatched that episode.
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of colonialism?
It's completely different than what we're talking about right now. Robert isn't a false king, I already said that. Joffrey isn't either. History will cite that they sat the throne. Nothing that you're saying has anything to do with the laws of succession which are based on male-preference cognatic primogeniture. Ignore that phrase as much as you want but it's the system GRRM has pretty much all of Westeros using. The fact that Robert usurped the throne doesn't erase who has the stronger claim by the laws of succession, especially considering his claim was based on being a Targaryen. You're trying to rely on the act of rebellion but ignoring the fact that once he rebelled, nothing changed. The Seven Kingdoms were still the Seven Kingdoms. Borders weren't changed, land wasn't claimed. He didn't create a new empire. He merely presided over the current one. I'll use colonialism as an example. The English claimed the 13 colonies. They were under rule of whoever was king at the time. The colonies rebelled and created their own country independent of English rule. If they had decided to have a monarchical system, whoever was crowned king would start a line independent of the line in place by the British because they created a new country. Very different from someone usurping a throne and basing his claim on the bloodline of the person he rebelled against and ruling over a completely unchanged kingdom. You're so hell bent on giving Stannis a hypothetical "win" that you're reaching like you claimed I was when this argument started. Again, if merely rebelling and taking the throne was all that mattered, why was Robert hell bent on killing Dany for over a decade?
Were y'all allowed to even mention the term "Red Wedding" in the old Season 3 non-spoiler thread before the red wedding episode?

typing that though.