Official Israel Vs. Iran 2025 thread: First post updates! US/Israel attacks set Iran back months at best. Ceasefire in effect. Everybody wins(?)

[peppe]

In Vietnam, America did go full strength. There was 500,000 ground troops in country and America dropped more bombs on the Vietnamese than it did on Japan AND Germany in WW2.

In Korea, America destroyed nearly half of all buildings in North Korea and still lost. Nearly 2 million US troops served in Korea!

You guys don’t read!

nikkas acting like the Geneva Convention is fairy tale myth I totally understand why america is pushing to set back the school system.

No country can go all out anymore, there are clear rules even tho atrocities are still made it could have been far worse.

Let's not even start about all the atrocities USA did in vietnam.

 

[Robbie3000]

That’s always a one sided point.

We all know if us went full strength on any of those countries and didn’t play by the rules of they woulda flat lined all those countries in weeks.

Usually the USA is trying to minimize civilian deaths and are going at 40% of the strength they have for real.

If they went in like Russian did Ukraine they would destroy all those countries in a day.

They go in looking for regime change and to put in a puppet.

Those aren’t real life or death wars. USA hasn’t had one since ww2

So what are you saying, the U.S went into those wars with the intention of losing?

Do you even understand the level of warfare that took place in those wars?

The U.S dropped more bombs in Laos and Vietnam separately than they dropped in all of WW2.

I wish y’all would pick up a book or even watch some documentaries. The level of chest thumping and posing should atleast have some basis in fact.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Israel took a big fat L. I can't believe they made Iran (of all countries) into heroes.

Started the fight with a sucker punch, got pummeled, called for big Daddy, exposed their iron as just a costly good for nothing pile of crap and Iran still on course for nukes. Other Middle East countries looking at them like (so that's how it's done)

They did good with their assassinations; but we all know that's their single core competence. Iran will replace them and the struggle continues.

Iran is not on course to get nukes. They will get bombed everytime they are close. It’s said this bombing pushed them back 3 years.

 

[Georgiamuscle]

In Vietnam, America did go full strength. There was 500,000 ground troops in country and America dropped more bombs on the Vietnamese than it did on Japan AND Germany in WW2.

In Korea, America destroyed nearly half of all buildings in North Korea and still lost. Nearly 2 million US troops served in Korea!

You guys don’t read!

Korea ended in a stalemate sir. You know better than that

Objective was to repel the Norks from ROK territory after the South almost fell. They pushed almost to the Chinese border. Threatened China with nuclear war and was going to cause a humanitarian crisis on their border. Got pushed back down past the 38th parallel by Chinese forces that had overwhelming numbers. Then pushed up to the 38th and rushed to sign a ceasefire agreement. Explain how that is a loss

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

nikkas acting like the Geneva Convention is fairy tale myth I totally understand why america is pushing to set back the school system.

No country can go all out anymore, there are clear rules even tho atrocities are still made it could have been far worse.

Let's not even start about all the atrocities USA did it vietnam.

Korea ended in a stalemate sir. You know better than that

Objective was to repel the Norks from ROK territory after the South almost fell. They pushed almost to the Chinese border. Threatened China with nuclear war and was going to cause a humanitarian crisis on their border. Got pushed back down past the 38th parallel. Then pushed up to the 38th and rushed to sign a ceasefire agreement. Explain how that is a loss

America, the richest country in the world in 1950 and the self-proclaimed victor of WW2, got its shyt pushed in by China (poorer than Africa at that point in time) - which had just emerged from civil war and a war against Japan that killed tens of millions.

Embarrassing! That is not a stalemate. That’s a big loss! You were on the verge of conquering all of Korea until the Chinese intervention.

It’s analogous to Chad defeating Americans in 2025

 

[Ineedmoney504]

So what are you saying, the U.S went into those wars with the intention of losing?

Do you even understand the level of warfare that took place in those wars?

The U.S dropped more bombs in Laos and Vietnam separately than they dropped in all of WW2.

I wish y’all would pick up a book or even watch some documentaries. The level of chest thumping and posing should atleast have some basis in fact.

Not with intentions to lose, but also not with intentions to fully flat lined the country.

Again these are wars for influence and power. Not wars of life and death.

The USA isn’t going into wars like Russia or isreal is.

They have to play by certain rules ect. And again they not even looking to flat lined shyt or gain territories, they want the counties still to be intact so they can put in a puppet and get what they want.

 

[JamesJabdi]

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Not with intentions to lose, but also not with intentions to fully flat lined the country.

Again these are wars for influence and power. Not wars of life and death.

The USA isn’t going into wars like Russia or isreal is.

They have to play by certain rules ect. And again they not even looking to flat lined shyt or gain territories, they want the counties still to be intact so they can put in a puppet and get what they want.

America killed 20% of North Korea’s population between 1950-1953 and destroyed 85% of its buildings.

That’s not “flatlining a country”? You MAGA guys need to pick up a book!

Link:
Americans have forgotten what we did to North Korea

 

[Mister Terrific]

Korea ended in a stalemate sir. You know better than that

Objective was to repel the Norks from ROK territory after the South almost fell. They pushed almost to the Chinese border. Threatened China with nuclear war and was going to cause a humanitarian crisis on their border. Got pushed back down past the 38th parallel. Then pushed up to the 38th and rushed to sign a ceasefire agreement. Explain how that is a loss

The Chinese actually wanted to push the UN out of Korea all together and launched the Spring offensive

Chinese spring offensive - Wikipedia

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They pretty much ran into a wall of artillery and firepower and got massacred. US air superiority was such that the Chinese couldn’t move by day and couldn’t even cook food.

Maos son actually got killed because he tried to boil a pot of noodles and US planes saw the smoke stack.

Egg fried rice protests - Wikipedia

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The US had before launched operation ripper and courageous and completely pushed China out of South Korea with heavy losses and could’ve went farther but North Korea is mountainous and the effort wasn’t seen as worth it

Operation Ripper - Wikipedia

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Operation Courageous - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The war actually could’ve ended in 1951 but the majority of captured Chinese troops wanted to repatriate to the West but the Chinese government didn’t want the embarrassment and held off negotiations.


Either way it’s clear who had the upper hand when a ceasefire was negotiated and that’s with a skeleton army as most of Washington’s attention was on the Soviets in Eastern Europe.

 

[Georgiamuscle]

America, the richest country in the world in 1950 and the self-proclaimed victor of WW2, got its shyt pushed in by China (poorer than Africa at that point in time) - which had just emerged from civil war and a war against Japan that killed tens of millions.

Embarrassing! That is not a stalemate. That’s a big loss! You were on the verge of conquering all of Korea until the Chinese intervention.

It’s analogous to Chad defeating Americans in 2025

Is that not what I said?
They got beat down past the 38th parallel but rushed to push China back to the 38th and call for a ceasefire???

China was poor but not THAT poor where they couldn’t organize and fight a war. They were recovering from the civil war and were battle tested and they were fighting for their existence at this point bc of McArthur. They had superior numbers and overran US positions in North Korea. It doesn’t take millions of dollars to repel a force that was already fatigued from a war with North Korea if you have more people to throw at them then they had bullets. Read instead of spewing rubbish

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Is that not what I said?
They got beat down past the 38th parallel but rushed to push China back to the 38th and call for a ceasefire???

China was poor but not THAT poor where they couldn’t organize and fight a war. They were recovering from the civil war and were battle tested and they were fighting for their existence at this point bc of McArthur. They had superior numbers and overran US positions in North Korea. It doesn’t take millions of dollars to repel a force that was already fatigued from a war with North Korea if you have more people to throw at them then they had bullets. Read instead of spewing rubbish

This is cope

Americans are still coping 70 years after failing in Korea!

Oh my God


Let me guess - you won Afghanistan too?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Bibi is a nut

Trump is giving this idiot an out but he won't take it

 

[Json]

Nuclear Facilities were not directly hit by US forces in a planned attack?

Iran has no control of thir airspace and any building can be hit at will by the US?

The Ayotollah is not in hiding?

The hardline Israelis and Iranians are the only surefire guarantees to be here in three years without regime change

Trump will be most likely gone and a whole new dynamic in place on the American side.

Iran can buy new planes, drones will have gotten better by then, and nuclear facilities can be rebuilt. Plus they know how to attack Israel’s defenses for sure now.

Iran got exposed for being weak to American power and their proxies are susceptible to Israeli/Mossad attacks

 

[Georgiamuscle]

This is cope

Americans are still coping 70 years after failing in Korea!

Oh my God


Let me guess - you won Afghanistan too?

You think we lost in Iraq twice
We didn’t lose not one time in Iraq but you are a coli historian that doesn’t speak in factual sense. You just speak in hot takes. I just acknowledged the US losing on a strategic level in both Vietnam and Afghanistan. They propped up two weak governments and countries just for both to get steamrolled by their respective enemies (NVA and Vietcong for Vietnam and Taliban in Afghanistan) but you will fail to recognize that bc you just spew a bunch of anti American gibberish without any actual facts or context. You sit in Canada coping about America “losing” and China “winning”. How pathetic is that? Are you even black? Serious question

 

[StretfordRed]

same. I'm just looking at the current situation. I think a lot of people would crash out if you would explain it in a normal situation.

You go to a club, you see the OPP but your both keeping the peace and then suddenly you get suckerpunched.

You start fighting and your boys stop de fight only for another OPP to suckerpunch you from behind.

AND then that OPP says and now kiss and make up. I'm not a fighter at all but if this would have happened to me i would be crashing out.



It blows my mind that people are thinking that israel/USA are in the right.

For sure, I think Israel are no where 100% in the right and Trump messed the whole situation up for sure. But I also think little elements of truth exist in Israel’s argument e.g the opps calling for your destruction and has now got the parts to make a switch. You’d be ready to creep on them first, right?

Anyway. Good discussion chaps.