Official JOKER Thread (SPOILERS)

[Cartier Murphy]

I loved this Joaquin fully lived and breathed Arthur Fleck, every uncomfortable foray into public, every awkward laughing fit that looked painful, every time he spoke like he was afraid to hear his own voice, it felt like a real person on screen. There wasn’t a wasted scene in this movie, every single scene served a purpose. Whether it was to flesh out Arthur, show off Gotham and it’s inhabitants, or build to the finale. The city was so lively and played the perfect background to inhabit this character and help give birth to what he’d become, you can believe that his circumstances in that setting would drive him to madness. And that score perfectly added to every scene and elevated the tension, drama, the creeping dread and insanity that built to a fever pitch. I can’t say enough good things, I fukked with this so heavy

 

[Bobhoward]

Was there any added security to the theaters y’all went to? There was in mine. Couple dudes in suits looking like wannabe secret service. It was kind of annoying because they kept coming in and out of the theater every 15 minutes or so taking a look around.

Had some rent a cop at mine sitting by the ticket takers, but dude kept getting up and going to the concession stand. Wasn't even there when I came in.

Was sweating a little cause I always sneak in a gallon sized zip lock bag full of popcorn in a sweatshirt and it's very obvious I have a large item. Walk straight in every time including tonight no questions asked

 

[NobodyReally]

This was really good. It felt like a independent movie, not a big blockbuster. I really enjoyed the character study of madness in the world they drew. Joaquin definitely deserves a nomination for this. He really went in deep for his character. I'm not sure I'm seeing the "revolutionary film" praise though. It's a really well done movie about a man becoming more unhinged in a world that's already too far gone. All the talk about this movie changing the game is hyperbolic, IMO. We've seen great films about madness before.

But for a comic book movie, this is really next level in terms of character study and world-building. It would be really cool if they built a whole DC cinematic universe from this and kept Phillips as the director or at least creative constructor of it. I really like this world and I want to know more about it. I'm interested in this Bruce and I want to see him evolve in this particular version of Gotham. I'm also very interested in the idea of Arthur

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being adopted and having a loose connection to the Wayne family. I was kinda disappointed his mother made up that story about him being Wayne's son. I think that would have been a cool twist.

For all the talk about incels, this movie pretty much flips the bird at those guys as well. As much as incels hate sjws, they fail to see just how political they are by being anti-social justice. I love that Joker just doesn't care about anything, especially politics, unless it connected to how it's hurt him or just how unfair and mean people are. That being said, I do think it's curious that most of the women in this flick were black. I know people are probably gonna roll their eyes and say I'm reading into things but as a black woman who is not used to seeing herself in major blockbuster movies, I think it's curious that Phillips made a conscious decision to cast most of the women Arthur interacts with, save his mother, as black women. I dont know what that was about. I don't think it was coincidental and I wonder what Phillips was thinking by doing that.

One question I do have though.

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Is Zazie Beetz's character dead? It seems likely he killed her right? But they never gave any hints he did. Maybe he would have spared her, like he did the midget.

I'd give this a 10, I think, just because it kept me on the edge of my seat and I got very invested in the character's evolution or de-evolution really.

 

[NobodyReally]

It was praised for its effective feminist twist on the genre. I don't think a flick as viscerally violent as Revenge could ever be called "positive" but I know the female lead's actions are supposed to be satisfying for the audience and she is most definitely the "hero" of the film.

I think we've reached the point where the outrage at the outrage has gotten just as unbearable, honestly. I think a Harley Quinn movie like the one @Mr. Negative proposed could be awesome just like I think The Joker will be awesome. Getting angry at how critics might paint one movie as opposed to another is just asking to be upset at something at this point. Pointing out the hypocrisy can be beneficial, but sometimes it seems like the same people tired of other people always looking for something to be upset about are actively looking for people being upset about trivial shyt so that they in turn can be upset about that. It's inception outrage, outchea

It was praised for that. It was actually praised for taking the rape/revenge tropes of horror movies and flipping them on their head and creating a great heroine in the process and being a great female empowerment statement in an era that felt ripe for it

My bad. Never heard of it. I'll check it out.

 

[NobodyReally]

Just got out of the theater. This Joker has no fukking business going up against the Bat

That would be the problem I think, trying to build a cinematic universe with this Joker without showing some brilliance and strategy to go with the crazy. I didn't see much brilliance in Arthur. But maybe it's something they could build on in later movies?

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

. I'm also very interested in the idea of Arthur

Man I was praying they kept that arc

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The laughter part got me thinking. It was like he was so devoid of the ability to cry that when he got really emotional, he had to laugh. Tears of a clown

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

5/5
Enjoyed it immensely.

 

[Auger]

This movie is the perfect Batman reboot.

They don't even need to retread Bruce's origin story again

 

[Brozay]

man I’m watching the local news and they are actually covering this shyt like the movie is some concern and talking about increased police presence

how did the conversation about this movie get to this point? its muddling how people feel about it too from what I can see from a review standpoint

shyt is kinda ridiculous

 

[threattonature]

That would be the problem I think, trying to build a cinematic universe with this Joker without showing some brilliance and strategy to go with the crazy. I didn't see much brilliance in Arthur. But maybe it's something they could build on in later movies?

That was my exact concern. I always thought the Joker was supposed to be a similar intellect level as Batman and we didn't really get to see that side of him at all. He's physically weak and nothing they've shown would make it out to be a master criminal as of this point. I am all the way interested in how they get there in the second film.

 

[NinoBrown]

Pure piff, the layers of this, his Mom being completely mental and instilling a false and meek personality to suppress the real Joker was genius....

Once he got off the meds and got his swagger, he felt closer to the Joker we all know....

The psychological points of a text book sociopath they hit were top notch:
- Joker was caring to children as they are seen as "innocent creatures"...and in many ways a child himself
- Abused children may suffer a cognitive delay (his poor handwriting and spelling similar to a 7 year old, around the time he was found by CPS)
- Abandoned children have problems with authority, as he often did. He also couldn't form many relationships.
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The transformation of "Boy" Joker to "Teen" Joker personality was fantastic!

 

[Fctftl]

1. I figured even if the script was so so, Joaquin would crush it. And i was right. This dude really is an animal and its proof that oscars dont mean shyt. Top 3 actor of the past 20 years.

2. Heath still the best Joker to me, but if somebody said they prefer Joaquins i wouldnt be mad.

3. Back to point one, the script is so so but Joaquin saves it. I know he dont wanna do super hero movies but hope he changes his mind and has a part in the Batman reboot.

Spoiler: 4.

the Murray Franklin scenes

5. this movie def earned its R rating.

6. i see the incel shyt the internet was talking about. Hope no goofies get ideas.

7. Zazie Beetz was wasted in this film

tldr: dont come for the script, come to see Joaquin Pheonix show why hes one of the best to ever do it.

 

[Brozay]

man I’m watching the local news and they are actually covering this shyt like the movie is some concern and talking about increased police presence

how did the conversation about this movie get to this point? its muddling how people feel about it too from what I can see from a review standpoint

shyt is kinda ridiculous

to build on this. I just noticed RT has fallen to 69% now? A month ago it was acclaimed at the highest of levels and now suddenly the review people ain’t feeling it?

if you read the review recaps, they are tell the same story. they had there expectations set for this to be Godfather level or they go soft and feel they need to demean the movie because it’s the safe and ‘right’ side to be on with all the shyt in the media

If one of my boys or someone here didn’t like it cool, I wouldn’t try and argue with them, but to see the critic world suddenly flip on the movie is a joke to me

people are sheep

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Just got out

If you're a Batman fan, you will appreciate the genius of this movie.

If you're not then I dunno

But as a Batman fan the shyt is mind blowing to me

 

[Crude Abolitionist]

Critics are losers