Speculating much?
How do you know if they would have existed or not.
Speculation at best.
What we do know is.
Iraq was neutralized of all enemy combatants during the time Obama came into office.American forces had control over the entire country. Isis didn't exist until 2014 which is 7 years into the Obama's administration. Therefore, you can't blame this on Bush because isis wasn't around until 7 years after he left office.
bush created ISIS the moment he disbanded saddam's army. but i'm not trying to go back and forth with you over this. just answer my question. should the US occupy the middle east indefinitely?


people even arguing and debating what to call them in some parts 
