Official War With Iran Thread

[Insensitive]

I'm pretty sure that trying to get Ukraine into NATO, sending them equipment and training their military, supporting
the 2014 Maidan Revolution and continuing to support Ukraine after these decisions force their neighbor to shut
the bullshyt down is actually what helped to spark it.

Unless of course, you think it's a smart idea to antagonize a country by cozying up to a small nation directly on their border and arming them or whatever.

Y'all can keep playing stupid if you want to.

 

[Robbie3000]

That’s why we all should be praying for Chinese hegemony to replace us. It’ll be much kinder, gentler and all about friendly economic competition instead of exploitation

Well let’s see. We have only two economic and military superpowers on the planet. One has been chilling.

The other one has in the last four years.

1. Engaged in genocide

2. Started tariff wars with almost every country on the planet.

3. Kidnapped the President of a sovereign nation without a plan under trumped up charges.

4. Protected child rapists including the president in a global pedophilia ring

5. Started a war in the middle of a negotiation that is destabilizing the world economy and could very well trigger world war 3.

Like what are we talking about? We still running with the “China bad, U.S good ” propaganda?

 

[Insensitive]

Dudes will literally watch the fukking stock market tank and our allies have to deal with fallout of key
materials like IDK Oil and Nitrogen (food production for the dumb asses) not reaching them and be like

"Yeah man, we are just and we are the good guys. The suffering that the entirety of Asia and Europe will feel from this is necessary. "


And legit don't think they sound insane for repeating that propaganda wholesale.

Dumb people.
Like not even worth engaging in how stupid they are.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

The Koreans must be pissed

I assume they are referencing this article since they used the same image.

Exclusive: U.S. Moved 1,000 Guided Bomb Kits From South Korea Late Last Year

Exclusive: U.S. Moved 1,000 Guided Bomb Kits From South Korea Late Last Year Shipment linked to Iran attack preparations as U.S. considers withdrawing military assets from Korea

www.chosun.com

A Cheong Wa Dae official stated on the 5th, “There have been reports of discussions on weapon withdrawals, but no such discussions have taken place.” This means South Korea and the U.S. have not yet discussed the withdrawal of U.S. Forces Korea assets.

The article reports one concrete thing and that's about bomb guidance kits being moved from Korea to the US in early December. Everything else in the story is speculation on top of speculation.

There's nothing in it about SK not knowing. That twitter account is distorting this:

Regarding a query from this newspaper on whether the U.S. Forces Korea’s shipment of guided bomb kits to the mainland was notified to South Korea, the Ministry of National Defense stated, “It is not appropriate for our government to comment on the operational use of U.S. Forces Korea.”

This is standard protocol language. Not what they're claiming.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Dudes will literally watch the fukking stock market tank and our allies have to deal with fallout of key
materials like IDK Oil and Nitrogen (food production for the dumb asses) not reaching them and be like

"Yeah man, we are just and we are the good guys. The suffering that the entirety of Asia and Europe will feel from this is necessary. "


And legit don't think they sound insane for repeating that propaganda wholesale.

Dumb people.
Like not even worth engaging in how stupid they are.

This is a strawman. I don't think anyone in here believes the US was justified in attacking Iran outside of @voiture, and he's a dumbass. I doubt anyone sees the US as the "good guys," either. You cats just make up these easy arguments to attack, because you don't know how to engage with what people are actually saying. And you might not be a tankie, but you're definitely a campist.

 

[wire28]

Well let’s see. We have only two economic and military superpowers on the planet. One has been chilling.

The other one has in the last four years.

1. Engaged in genocide

2. Started tariff wars with almost every country on the planet.

3. Kidnapped the President of a sovereign nation without a plan under trumped up charges.

4. Protected child rapists including the president in a global pedophilia ring

5. Started a war in the middle of a negotiation that is destabilizing the world economy and could very well trigger world war 3.

Like what are we talking about? We still running with the “China bad, U.S good ” propaganda?

Good question

 

[987654321]

Just came back right quick to see if autisti-brehs were still typing like this.

 

[Insensitive]

This is a strawman. I don't think anyone in here believes the US was justified in attacking Iran outside of @voiture, and he's a dumbass. I doubt anyone sees the US as the "good guys," either. You cats just make up these easy arguments to attack, because you don't know how to engage with what people are actually saying. And you might not be a tankie, but you're definitely a campist.

We don't need to earnestly engage with what you're "actually saying" because there is no
possible position where any of this is justifiable.

To be clear:
It's fukking dumb, so it doesn't need earnest engagement.
Instead we should focus on the fall out of this decision (and others adjacent
to it or preceding it)


Versus talking about how to endlessly wash these incredibly egregious decisions of their violence and stupidity.
We also need to realistically engage with the US as an aggressor with it's own geopolitical goals divorced from who is in office.
This is repeatedly an issue on this website because "Culture war" shyt is dragging down real discussions about
geopolitics.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Because they were used as a laboratory to test out the newest military equipment.

1) 96% of the drones used by ukraine are made in ukraine. If they were really relying on u.s. anti drone tech we wouldn't be seeing headlines like this

US and Gulf countries in talks over purchase of Ukrainian Shahed interceptors – FT

2) the u.s was giving ukraine old stockpile weapons.

Russia and Ukraine is a LABORATORY.


All of this literally means nothing.

Whether or not it's a successful operation doesn't mean it isn't what it is.

This logic literally applies to our first actual entrance into the foray (Iran war).
We're actively fukking up right now.

It's still a war.

I'm disputing your claim that it's proxy war. not that it's not a war in general.

But yeah, I do agree the u.s. is fukking up MAJORLY

Oh look, more direct proof of trump running the woat proxy war ever. Russia is supposed to be the enemy in this proxy war, right?

You have all gained the powerful ability to ignore reality and bend yourself into nonsensical
positions to try and make points that make no sense.
"We failed in our goals bro, so it can't be a proxy war".
I won't even engage in this goofy ass sophistry, you fukking know it's stupid.

This would be a good time lay out your evidence of this being a proxy war. At least some sort of argument outside of "testing new military equipment" since that was actually borne out of the necessity of stopping russia from bombing their schools, hospitals, and ukrainian civilians in general.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Also - it's a fukking lie that Ukraine didn't "strike within Russian borders".

This is literally one of the reasons people kept thinking it'd be the start of World War III.

You can look it up, it is literally in print that they shot rockets deep into Russian territory as recently
as last month.

I meant to say

- a patron state (the U.S.) that forbids its proxy (ukraine) from striking the other patron state within its border (russia) with america weapons

Pentagon blocking Ukraine long-range missile strikes on Russia: Report

Kyiv had long requested permission to use U.S. weapons to launch strikes deep into Russia before the Biden administration gave the go-ahead.

www.newsweek.com

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/18/nx-s...ge-missile-restraint-on-ukraines-armed-forces

Pentagon has blocked Ukraine from striking deep inside Russia – report

But yes, after 2 and a half years they're getting around this rule by producing their own cruise missiles and long range fpv drones because they're a proxy state being sponsored by the woat patron state ever.

 

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[Kyle C. Barker]

I'm pretty sure that trying to get Ukraine into NATO, sending them equipment and training their military, supporting
the 2014 Maidan Revolution and continuing to support Ukraine after these decisions force their neighbor to shut
the bullshyt down is actually what helped to spark it.

Unless of course, you think it's a smart idea to antagonize a country by cozying up to a small nation directly on their border and arming them or whatever.

Y'all can keep playing stupid if you want to.

Ok, I had you pegged as a campist but i see you're treading into tankie territory now. @Carl Tethers clocked you properly.

I've had these conversations face to face with ML'ers at DSA meetings lol

All that stuff you mentioned is Kremlin pre-text for westerners because in Putin's eyes he doesn't even think the ukrainian identity exists. Real blood and soil shyt

 

[Insensitive]

I generally don't care what you think about me or who you think I am because you keep ignoring
whatever actions the US does and trying to paint anyone who does anything you don't like as "insane" or "nonsensical".

Every single US action is permissible to people like you, so of course you don't see yourself as a moron.
We will never speak again.
Enjoy your day and stop being a fan.

 

[Serious]

 

[Serious]

Your daily reminder, we not at war: