Official War With Iran Thread

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Gulf States about to be a mess soon as well, the whole point of us bases being their was to protect them against iran, now that iran has shown that the US only protects israel big corporations ex pats will be fleeing as well. Trump about to take down the whole region:dead:
 

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Gulf States about to be a mess soon as well, the whole point of us bases being their was to protect them against iran, now that iran has shown that the US only protects israel big corporations ex pats will be fleeing as well. Trump about to take down the whole region:dead:

Yeah, and if they start going tit-for-tat on desalination plants, this will be the worst tragedy of our lifetimes. I have no idea how this ends, but it's a mess so far.
 

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I’m convinced Iran would overwhelm us and make it look like Russia versus Ukraine if we put troops on the ground. This would be the first fully capable, operational military we’ve faced since when ? Korea? Maybe World War II? We had serious issues in Iraq and even had to rely on Iranian help, and the Iraqi military offered almost no resistance.

Listening to Netanyahu and Israel has the U.S. Department of Defense acting like everyday Iranians hate their government to the point they want them overthrown for israel? Lmao, you dont see people protesting for a reason. They will take up arms to defend their countrymen themselves. This isn’t Iraq under Saddam, where he was a brutal dictator. You’d see random counter‑insurgents and everything else. We’re talking a lot of Americans in body bags


During Gulf War One Iraq had the 4th largest military in the world and that same military fought Iran to a draw 4 years earlier after an 8 year long war. The US rolled up the Iraqi military in 2 weeks.

There is no scenario with the US having complete control of Iranian skies and being able to interdict Iranian troop movements at will that Iran is a peer to the US military. US not invading Iran either troops because it’s not politically popular. 75% and most of the government supported the Iraq war.
 

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The US doesn’t get its oil from the strait. So why is Iran saying everyone can go but the US and Israel? …….

Because actually closing the strait was never going to happen


 

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During Gulf War One Iraq had the 4th largest military in the world and that same military fought Iran to a draw 4 years earlier after an 8 year long war. The US rolled up the Iraqi military in 2 weeks.

Its not 1980 anymore bro that was damn newr 50 years ago
There is no scenario with the US having complete control of Iranian skies and being able to interdict Iranian troop movements at will that Iran is a peer to the US military. US not invading Iran either troops because it’s not politically popular. 75% and most of the government supported the Iraq war.
The differences between Iraq and iran is this
Major cities are far away from the water
25 million people versus 90 million
Terrain is significantly more difficult 3x bigger , a ground war would be disastrous you would need 3x the military size of Iraq. The amount of deaths you would have due to terrain ambushes would he disastrous. There's a reason no one wants to have boots on the ground in iran
 

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It's been talked about here and it's not controversial. French (and European) troops have been in Iraqi Kurdistan for a decade fighting Isis. Their presence there was no secret at all.

As to if they were arming Kurds to fight in Iran, I don't know but I don't think it's plausible. Why would Kurds take up arms against a still functional military in Iran with no backup. I think it's just an excuse by those pro-Iranian militas to justify bombing Kurds.

France has not had an attacking strategy in the Middle East since Israel/the US have been on the offensive in 2023 and I hope it stays that way. Not our mess.
 

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Its not 1980 anymore bro that was damn newr 50 years ago
Yeah Iran was closer to the US then. They actually had an Air Force and a Navy and the Iranian government was a lot more popular.


This is what the US did to Russia in Syria just 6 years ago



The differences between Iraq and iran is this
Major cities are far away from the water
25 million people versus 90 million
Terrain is significantly more difficult 3x bigger , a ground war would be disastrous you would need 3x the military size of Iraq. The amount of deaths you would have due to terrain ambushes would he disastrous. There's a reason no one wants to have boots on the ground in iran


Population doesn’t mean anything in modern war. It’s about how many men you can mobilize. You have the Republican guard and some fanatical elements, then you have a highly educated populace that are largely urban dwellers who have a birth rate barely above replacement level. Not rural farmers who have 5 sons who do nothing but sit around.

You are going to ask a bunch of city slickers to go live in the mountains and fight a guerilla war? For what? For who? Are they getting paid?

They aren’t Pashtun farmers in the mountains of Afghanistan or Jihadi militants in Iraq just looking to kill westerners and other Muslims.


80% of Iranians live in cities. 3/4ths live in 3 of those cities. It would be like if the US population all lives in Chicago, New York and LA.

Keep in mind both Afghan and Iraq governments were toppled with less deaths over the same time period as Chicago during the height of the crack pandemic. It was long term occupation that was a struggle and most of the deaths in the war was Muslims killing each other in civil wars.



How and where to stage the invasion would be the biggest issue. Iraq is probably a no go, so it would have to be an amphibious invasion. I seriously doubt the Iranian military has command and control today to engage such a landing. Once US assets are ashore in any force it would be a matter of time.



I don’t see how any can look at Irans brilliant plan of attacking hotels and delaying airport flights as any serious sign there is a competent military there. You really have to be seized by your algorithm if you think this war is going well for them.
 

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Population doesn’t mean anything in modern war. It’s about how many men you can mobilize. You have the Republican guard and some fanatical elements, then you have a highly educated populace that are largely urban dwellers who have a birth rate barely above replacement level. Not rural farmers who have 5 sons who do nothing but sit around.
I don’t think you can equate western city dwellers to middle eastern city dwellers.

From what I saw Syria was well-educated before the war too but that didn’t stop the war from dragging on cause the only thing that seems to happen in all Middle East conflicts is other parties get involved and ratchet things up.
 

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Tech Jobs maybe coming back :wow:
More US companies will be targeted before this is over. Incredibly lax security overseas compared to stateside. The US is lucky they aren't going up against Chinese, Russian, or North Korean hackers. Lots of collateral damage before this is over.

How ‘Handala’ Became the Face of Iran’s Hacker Counterattacks​


Iran Warns US Tech Firms Could Become Targets as War Expands​

 

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