Official War With Iran Thread

[mastermind]

Look man, if your argument is that there is no factionalism of variation within the governmental apparatus of the IRI because the difference between those who want to explicitly pursue a nuclear weapon to eradicate the state of Israel and those who don't is too nuanced for you then I don't think we have much to discuss here.

In my opinion you're drinking heavily from the well of Orientalist propaganda produced by Israel and the United States to paint this complex society and government capable of rational thought as this bestial tribal dictatorship of bearded suicidal Muslims that can't be reasoned with, ergo they must be bombed.

@Mister Terrific is a defender of Zionism.

 

[Mister Terrific]

Of course he does. These dudes are one trick ponies. China, Russia, anyone that opposes the US= good. US (while living here)= bad.

Russians are targeting schools, hospitals, nuclear power plants, and population centers in Ukraine but something something Nazis, something something NATO encroachment, something something Russian speakers, something something Russia has been winning a “4 day special operation” for four years

They love to use the term blowback. I guess Ukraine training the gulf states on how to counter Iranian drones that have been pummeling them for 3 years is Zionism.

 

[Insensitive]

Bloomberg <---- This is a link.

Bloomberg finally catching up to Social Media.


*edit* I do think this is a misquote though.
"16 fighter jets" isn't accurate.
But we definitely lost some jets, KC-135s and of course the reaper drones I mentioned before.

 

[Pressure]

Bloomberg <---- This is a link.

Bloomberg finally catching up to Social Media.


*edit* I do think this is a misquote though.
"16 fighter jets" isn't accurate.
But we definitely lost some jets, KC-135s and of course the reaper drones I mentioned before.

 

[Georgiamuscle]

Of course it’s not true

US losses according to thecoli

100,000 US personnel
200 Abrams and Bradleys
16 fighter jets including F35s
Five aircraft carriers

This is the biggest upset in military history

 

[King Kreole]

All decisions are filtered through the clerics and approved by the supreme ayatollah as already outlined. If there is factionalism it is only factionalism that is typical in dictatorships where infighting is encouraged in the lower echelons to prevent accumulation of oppositional power and dissent. All government leaders are pre-approved by a guy who believes in child marriage.

The Supreme Leader is not an automaton and his power isn't uncheckable. Like the Pope, just because he is at the head of the hierarchy doesn't mean the factions beneath are superficial window dressing. The IRI isn't a single celled organism, it's a complex and nuanced political entity. The fact that different heads of government from different factions are elected and pursue different internal and external policies under the same Ayatollah should indicate to you that there is more going on here than just the whims and wishes of a single man or faction.

I think your position that Israel and the US are deliberately targeting the good guys so the bad guys get in power is cartoonish conspiracy logic, yes. It’s not that deep. Whoever assumes leadership gets the bat. Nobody is running the numbers if this guy is a Keynesian or Chicago school economist.

Literally never said that Israel and the US are targeting the "good guys". I said they are pursuing a policy of destabilization through eliminating moderate factions. I don't know how you can consider this a cartoonish conspiracy theory when it is explicitly the same policy they have pursed to great effect in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. You must think very poorly of the Israeli and American intelligence apparatus if you think they're looking at the Iranian political landscape with your same glassy-eyed oversimplification of "they're all just dirty brown terrorists". Even Trump has admitted to "accidentally" killing the better leadership alternatives the IC had identified. So yeah, there are people in the intelligence community who have dedicated their professional lives to running the numbers on this.

Shia Islam is famously doomsday culty even amongst Muslims, especially what is practiced by the mullahs. There is a reason the Ayatollah despises the modernizing Gulf States and vice versa.

Nothing to do with “orientalism”. Iranian governments actions are their own. Funding Hamas, Hesbollah, Assad and Putin was a choice. The mass graves in Syria, the blown up apartment buildings in Ukraine, the state terror against their own people are not Israeli and US propaganda.

They poked the bear one too many times.

Again, calling the IRI a "Muslim doomsday cult" is pretty textbook Orientalism. Perhaps the reason the Ayatollah despises the modernizing Gulf States is because they present a check against their regional power or projection of state ideology. Just because they have beards doesn't mean they're incapable of the same realpolitik that all the actors in this situation have been deploying. This "they hate us for our freedoms" shyt is so incurious and idiotic.

That’s the problem with you tankies, is that you believe because America is the great Satan that despite holding overwhelming military and economic superiority, it is somehow logical geopolitically based on some sort of colonial guilt to kowtow to an inferior foe.

I have no idea what this even means.

If there truly were moderates in the Iranian government, they should’ve seen the writing on the wall and completely dismantled all traces of their nuclear program and pledged no further aid to any foreign entity opposed to the US and Israel.


I mean if you didn’t want to get bombed of course. If you did want war with everyone the logical path was the one where you are helping Assad fill mass graves and going on an international fukk America and Israel spending spree.

If there are non-MAGA actors in the American government (like the Democrats), how come MAGA policies are being enacted? Again, you're refusing to grant Iran the complexity and factionalism of modern Western political entities because your starting point is that they are ignorant Muslim savages. Your threshold for moderate political ideology from the Iranian perspective being complete and total capitulation to American and Israeli dominance instead of the strategic distance of the JCPOA is patently absurd.

And I didn't say the Iranian government is ruled by moderates, I said there are different factions within the government - some more moderate than others - and the US and Israel are pursuing a policy of targeting and destroying the moderates so only the hardliners remain.

Jesus Christ, read the specs on an F-35 or HIMARS and have a word with yourself.

Ok.

 

[King Kreole]

Not having a functioning power grid and rationing medicine and food is so much better than living in a townhouse with running water and a PS5.


I too have a Che t-shirt.

You have that townhouse with running water and a PS5 because Cuba doesn't have a functioning power grid and has to ration medicine. You think the prosperity of the American lifestyle isn't build on the blood, bones and immiseration of the globally dispossessed?

You should read the guy on your shirt.

 

[Loose]

You realize ai pulls published sources right it doesn't actually know these things?

 

[mastermind]

You realize ai pulls published sources right it doesn't actually know these things?

It’s from the Bloomberg article

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-19/us-aircraft-losses-mount-amid-high-tempo-airstrike-campaign

It doesn’t count the plane that was shot down yesterday, but Grok got that right.

 

[Loose]

It’s from the Bloomberg article

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-19/us-aircraft-losses-mount-amid-high-tempo-airstrike-campaign

It doesn’t count the plane that was shot down yesterday, but Grok got that right.

My point is using Ai doesnt know more than the sources that it is pulling information from, I just have a problem with people being too lazy to actually research this stuff themselves instead of wasting earths resources on frivolous questions

 

[mastermind]

My point is using Ai doesnt know more than the sources that it is pulling information from, I just have a problem with people being too lazy to actually research this stuff themselves instead of wasting earths resources on frivolous questions

I agree. I saw a funny tweet about this very thing earlier today:



I know dude was joking, but that’s the world today and we all being programmed to do this, and we need to break it.

 

[Insensitive]

F-35s were shot down though.
It's literally been documented
I've been making sure I don't just come in here and say whatever.
I source the information when asked.
"Higher learning" looking more and more like TLR by the way.

 

[Hood Critic]

 

[Loose]

Oh we at the point in the presidency where people blame bibi when trump is the united states president .

Trump admin: "we're working tirelessly on a ceasefire "

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]