Official Washington Wizards 2013 offseason thread

[FAH1223]

we cant forget how shytty our player development is tho.

when vesely was in europe, he shot a better % from three than kawhi leonard did in college. now kawhi shoots better from three than ves does from the FT line.

basically no matter who we get, if they aint already skilled enough like wall or beal they gonna be trash. that's just how it works brehs

LOL.. Vesley shot a much lower number of threes but he did have a higher percentage than Leonard

I think Kwahi would have done a good job if we picked him. Remember, Singelton started all 60 games last year. Leonard would have put up better numbers IMO.

The organization sucks at developing talent and we all know the front office needs to go.

 

[KBadd]

We getting the best 7-footer available at 8.

 

[FAH1223]

Good write up here:

The most important day of the NBA calendar for Wizards fans is upon us -- The NBA Draft Lottery. Tonight, the Wizards will learn just how far back they'll move when the ping pong balls have stopped bouncing.

Sitting eighth by virtue of their all-in chase for that elusive ninth "seed," the most likely outcome is the team staying right where they are and ending up with the eighth selection. Here are the chances for each of Washington's possibilities tonight (ordered from greatest likelihood to least):
•8th pick -- 70.2%
•9th pick -- 16.5%
•3rd pick -- 4.8%
•2nd pick -- 4.1%
•1st pick -- 3.5%
•10th pick -- 0.8%
•11th pick -- 0.1%
Between now and draft day, you're going to hear the "This Draft Is The Suck" anthem. In my analysis, using my draft database (dubbed Ye Olde Draft Analyzer -- YODA for short), there doesn't look to be an all-time elite at the top, but there are a number of players with the potential to be contributors at the NBA level. There are potential All-Stars as well -- depending on how hard and smart they work.

Before presenting YODA's first look at the 2013 draft, a few words about it. YODA is based on a player's NCAA production and his physical measurements and athletic tests at the NBA draft combines. Why use the combine athletic data? Because it's the publicly available OBJECTIVE measure of a player's athletic ability.

YODA takes each player's per minute stats, adjusts for age/class, position and level of competition, incorporates the combine data and spits out a final grade. Also, there's an assessment of a player's handsomeness. (Just kidding on that last one.) If a player doesn't participate in a draft combine, there is no bonus/penalty awarded for size or athleticism.

For today, I'm presenting players by their "tiers" in YODA -- I'll dig in deeper with more information from the database as we get closer to the draft.

Tiers are, in effect, broad groupings of players who are approximately the same level of prospect. The tiers run from 10 to zero (well, technically there are a handful of guys who somehow achieved negative tiers -- two of them (JJ Reddikk and Nazr Mohammed went on to play in the NBA, so go figure). Here are the tiers with sample players for each.

10 -- Shaquille O'Neal (SO) -- Shaq's the only guy to hit this level.

9 -- No one. Yeah, that's how outlandish Shaq was that year. No other player in my ever-growing database has even reached a 9.

8 -- Anthony Davis (FR), Shaquille O'Neal (JR), Kevin Love (FR), Hakeem Olajuwon (SO), Kevin Durant (FR)

7 -- Grant Hill (JR), Tim Duncan (SR), Elton Brand (SO), Shawn Marion (FR)

6 -- Chris Webber (FR), Shane Battier (SR), Elton Brand (FR), Paul Millsap (JR) Dwyane Wade (SO & FR)

5 -- Tim Duncan (FR), Jason Kidd (FR), Al Horford (JR), Stephen Curry (JR), James Harden (FR)

4 -- Cole Aldrich (FR), Alec Burks (SO), Mario Chalmers (SO), Brandon Roy (JR), Greg Monroe (SO), David Lee (FR), Nate Robinson (JR)

3 -- Steve Blake (JR), Javale McGee (SO), Jeff Taylor (SR), Danny Granger (FR), Chris Singleton (JR)

2 -- Matt Barnes (SO), Morris Almond (JR), Robert Sacre (SO), Jared Jeffries (SO), Tyshawn Taylor (SR), Lance Goulbourne (SR), Ryan Gomes (SR)

1 -- Garrett Temple (FR & JR), Morris Almond (SO), Vernon Macklin (SR), Darius Miller (FR)

0 -- Cartier Martin (FR), Festus Ezeli (SO), Ashton Gibbs (SR)

Got all that? There's a quiz later.

Basically, the higher the tier, the more likely the player is to be a better pro. To merit a first round pick, a player needs to land in tier 4 or higher. Tier 3 are second rounders.

So, with all that preamble, here's this year's draft by tier (note, no one rated into tiers 10, 9 or 8):

Tier 7

•Victor Oladipo, SG, Indiana

Tier 6
•Cody Zeller, C, Indiana

Tier 5
•Trey Burke, PG, Michigan
•Nerlens Noel, C, Kentucky
•Kelly Olynyk, C, Gonzaga
•Ben McLemore, SG, Kansas
•Otto Porter, SF, Georgetown
•Anthony Bennett, PF, UNLV
•Michael Carter-Williams, PG, Syracuse
•Gorgui Dieng, C, Louisville
•Steven Adams, C, Pittsburgh

Tier 4
•Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, PG, Georgia
•Shane Larkin, PG, Miami
•Reggie Bullock, SF, North Carolina
•C.J. McCollum, SG, Lehigh
•Tyrus McGee, SG, Iowa State
•Jeff Withey, C, Kansas
•Mason Plumlee, PF, Duke
•James Southerland, SF, Syracuse
•D.J. Stephens, PF, Memphis
•Shabazz Muhammad, SF, UCLA
•Alex Oriakhi, PF, Missouri
•Arsalan Kazemi, PF, Oregon
•Zeke Marshall, C, Akron
•Mike Muscala, C, Bucknell
•Nate Wolters, PG, South Dakota State
•Ray McCallum, PG, Detroit Mercy
•Elias Harris, SF, Gonzaga
•Jamaal Franklin, SG, San Diego State
•Russ Smith, PG, Louisville
•Allen Crabbe, SG, California
•Gregory Echenique, C, Creighton
•Alex Len, C, Maryland
•Kevin Young, SF, Kanas


I could keep going, but that's a first round worth of names, plus a few into the second round.

At the top, Oladipo looks to be just as good a prospect as recent first overall selections like Kyrie Irving (tier 7) and John Wall (tier 6). He's not a historically good prospect like Anthony Davis, but he has the tools and production of a player who should be an excellent pro.

Cody Zeller (tier 6) would be another worthy top overall pick in many drafts, and would be a top 2-3 pick in virtually every class.

Lots more to come as the draft gets nearer.

Broom on the Warpath - The 2013 NBA Draft According to YODA

 

[StatUS]

Otto!

#betterthanVes

 

[I_Got_Da_Burna]

The problem now is that Cleveland may take Porter #1 simply because they need a small forward badly. They aren't taking McClemore #1 , and I don't see them taking Noel simply because Thompson and Noel are somewhat similar players. The Wizards are going to either draft Noel or trade down IMO.

 

[StatUS]

The problem now is that Cleveland may take Porter #1 simply because they need a small forward badly. They aren't taking McClemore #1 , and I don't see them taking Noel simply because Thompson and Noel are somewhat similar players. The Wizards are going to either draft Noel or trade down IMO.

Noel is projecting out at the 5 right now and Verajao's status is unpredictable.

Plus as much as I like him Otto doesn't have the upside of Noel or even Ben.

They could draft for need though but if they Wiz trade down

 

[FAH1223]

This makes things interesting. I'm still taking best player available

 

[tremonthustler1]

@FAH1223

your turn

 

[KBadd]

Take Porter, it's a no-brainer.

Porter is reportedly the No. 2 prospect on Cleveland's draft board, but Noel is reportedly first.

With Porter, he made a significant leap from his freshman year to his sophomore year at Georgetown, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that he’s a hard-worker. You can have all of the potential in the world, but if you don’t work hard, it doesn’t matter. He’s the most-skilled three in the draft, and is still only 19 years old, younger than all of the prospects ranked around him despite the fact he played two years in college.

Can he jump as high as Oladipo? No. But that doesn’t mean he’s not a good athlete. He has impeccable footwork and runs the floor like a gazelle. He also has prototypical size for an NBA three and a terrific wingspan.

All in all, considering his physical attributes, skill level, work ethic and basketball IQ, I seriously don’t see how someone could say he doesn’t have as much upside as players like Bennett – who is a tweener – and Burke.

 

[Mr swag]

Porter or McLemore

 

[FAH1223]

@FAH1223

your turn

gotta take Otto Porter as @KBadd said

I'd think real hard about taking Oladipo only to see if I can get Porter and another pick... but we know Ernie Grunfeld.... I'll stay safe and take Porter

 

[Spree At Last]

im ready for otto porter.... knowing ernie tho, we gonna trade that pick for josh smith and fukk up our future for the rest of the decade

 

[KingJudah]

who ever drafts Otto Porter is gonna come out the draft with the best player

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

We have two 2nd round picks. If we had a competent GM, he would find a player in the 2nd round worth drafting. I'm sure there are prospects in this draft better than any of EG's picks from 2010-2012 outside of Wall/Beal.

And it looks like Ernie is going to throw away the 2nd rounders AGAIN. This team has no quality depth. They show that every year - year after year. That's mainly because they've used the draft so poorly - and they still have the same guy running the draft, making the trades, signing players, running the organization into the the SAME position EVERY YEAR. Back in the lottery and repeating the same thing.



Washington Wizards hope to get lucky in NBA draft lottery - The Washington Post

I can think of better players than Vesely and Singleton at the 57 spot, and much better with the earlier round two pick. There are at least 20 players better than Booker to choose first. Several bigs seem better prospects to me than Seraphin.

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@BlackDroog

i've made this point in the thread where someone defended vesley as well as earlier in this thread



draft some athletic or underrated guys in the second round and see what happens


an undersized isaiah canaan or pierre jackson or a bigger nate wolters or zo brown to add some depth at the point guard position. or you can take a big like cj leslie or jeff withey. or at the 3 there are choices with a huge james ennis, reggie bullock or andre roberson



with that late pick, do what you will. trevor mbakwe is an injury risk but he can defend and board at an exceptional ncaa level. brandon davies is a nice big body. ryan kelly even tho he's a scumfukk i wont root against if he's out there hitting 3s and hustling for us



before yall hit me with that considering i named most of the second round draft prospects, these are cheap players that wont hurt to have


AS FOR THAT TOP 3 PICK WE MADE IT prolly salty as fukk considering we can make a playoff push and charlotte still gonna be a 55 loss team





just draft otto porter cause he's damn near a perfect fit. if he has a useless year and we have a shyt season on top of that, we can eat next draft and still have a project like otto porter on the roster


i commented prior to reading what everyone has said, but i'm ready to this offseason brethren

 

[TrapHouse Rock]

This makes things interesting. I'm still taking best player available

i've been saying the same thing when we had 9th, but with top 3 there has to be some contingency involved.


if noel never got hurt and porter and mclemore get taken ahead of him, i'd be more okay with having noel. but right now i'm a little


we're a good defensive team already and if we draft porter, oladipo, or noel, we'll be even better with any of those three