oh no. another "hip hop ain't shyt thread" by me. hip hop is 1 big comedy skit

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says the poster with young thug as his avatar :francis:

you can front like these no talent havin' nikkas are talented, but the fact remains, they are talentless and just a bunch of muthafukkas who have have these labels invested in them, promotin' them, so that they can't lose as artists :aicmon:

these new artists are talentless bums hyped up by their labels and companies :camby:
 
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Once "the powers that be" took notice of how powerful & influential the new artform known as hiphop had become, they took control of it and thats when the downfall started.

dap and +rep :wow:

all the integrity for hip hop and rap music went out the door and the music became a cash cow
 

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That's one part of it but it also stems from these people having weak artists that they can control without any pushback or resistance.

Are u referring to these 16-21 year old kids of today? I mean, theyre a product of the times. They could care less about the actual state of hiphop. They werent alive when hiphop had positive messages, soul and substance. They are mere puppets doing whatever it takes to become semi-famous so they can live that life and smash IG thots. These corporations know this and if one aspiring rapper isn't willing to shuck & jive for money and fame, there's plenty lined up that will.

There will be no pushback. Hiphop that we knew it is gone.
 

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Make the switch to House music if you haven't already, breh

I been jammin ever since :mj:
 

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It's easy to absolve the culture & just blame it on corporations. The truth of the matter is the artists & the listener are just as complicit.
Artists shamelessly chasing crossover hits while those in the culture cheer them on. The idea that profit was more important than integrity became the norm.
Rappers started changing their sound & intent to accommodate a pop audience instead of the pop audience accommodating to the culture.
Pac, Wu Tang & others sold a gang of records while maintaining their integrity.
People cheered as rap dudes sold the culture down the river for a some money.
The acceptance of "Hating" as a concept became a shield from the cultures justified criticism.
"Can't knock the next man's hustle"? Why not if it's toxic for the culture?
Blaming Cacs or corporations is easier than looking in the mirror & accepting that we all sold it for a car & a chain.
 

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I agree for the most part. There are still dope artists out there though, you just gotta dig a little to find them. Keep in mind, these days there's a lot more music out than it was back in the golden era. Music is everywhere so it's a lot of wack shyt you gotta sift through to get to the dope stuff.
 

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Are u referring to these 16-21 year old kids of today? I mean, theyre a product of the times. They could care less about the actual state of hiphop. They werent alive when hiphop had positive messages, soul and substance. They are mere puppets doing whatever it takes to become semi-famous so they can live that life and smash IG thots. These corporations know this and if one aspiring rapper isn't willing to shuck & jive for money and fame, there's plenty lined up that will.

There will be no pushback. Hiphop that we knew it is gone.

(Long read but I know you're not an idiot)


So are you saying that 16-21 year old's today have no integrity? If you believe in that then you believe in nothing and that goes far beyond the defeat of hip hop but a defeatist attitude in general. I never specified an age range. And the product of the times argument can be said about all generations from the perspective of those that preceded them. Positive messages do exist and I have young people in my life who know the difference between quality and bullshyt even though it gets harder to decipher each new generation. Just because the Internet has the General consensus that the youth are zonked out on pills, lean and lil Yachty prototypes doesn't mean that it's the truth. The reason we survive as a people and continue is because it is natural for us to seek truth and identity through the arts. We are the originators and creators and no matter how much they try to flood us with bullshyt we always will revert back to our natural way because it is in our dna. We have all the codes to this shyt and they can't stand it. That's why I said it only takes 1 person to change the trajectory of where the game is going. It takes that one person to make the other ones realize that what they're doing ain't shyt. Hip Hop isn't necessarily dead. As I said in my original post, those in control of the industry are purposely promoting and posturing weaker and less talented artist and pushing them to the forefront to give the illusion that this is who we've become. Notice I said illusion because the rappers themselves are simply photocopies of other promoted puppets designed to confuse the rest that follow them. This has nothing to do with our ability as a people to create. This has everything to do with an industry manufacturing false personas and realities. The people stuck there don't account for everyone, especially not every young person.

Granted, they are the most vulnerable and susceptible to fall victim to this grand production. The machine is working overtime to degrade, devalue and shame a valuable, culturally rich art form created for and by the descendants of African people....as it always has. But if you choose to continually believe in it's power over the resilience over your own people and all the classic moments and projects we've created despite of it, you are no better than them. It's one thing to continually point out the weaknesses but an entirely different thing to ignore the manufacturing of those weakened images and artist/puppets designed for you, by those that wish to degrade and oppress you.

It's a shytty time for those of us who were brought up on good music. You coasted through your youth with an abundance of sonic excellence (for the most part) only to grow up and watch something that brought so much pride become a parody of itself within a decade. We say we hate mainstream music when we really have always been mainstream and the true pulse of popular music. Why should we have to look to the underground below the surface to be entertained the way we want and know we should be?

White supremacy will always seek out the weaker ones and prop them up to serve their agenda especially in music and especially now. Like you said they want this shyt lock stock and barrel. WHOEVER and Whatever they can do to give us the conclusion and illusion that we have lost something to them that they never had to begin with is checkmate. When you start BELEIVING they own something that they can never generate organically to begin with, you fell for it and they got you by the balls even worse then the artists themselves. It's you that they have to convince to let it go. They know it's yours. They can package it, print it, distribute it and put a price on it make it chart and then award it. But they can never create it themselves. The whole illusion right now is deeper than making crappy music. It's to convince an entire generation that knows the real value to relenquish ownership of their own culture. They want you to think That it's too far gone, while they make billions every year packaging a weaker product. The same with blues jazz and rock and roll. But always remember they didn't take it. We were convinced it didn't belong to us and still are unsure of it until this day.

You're being played and using the generation gap and disconnect is just another tool of the agenda to get you to walk away from yet another major inheritance given to you by all those who sacraficed and came before you. You're so upset with a couple of drugged out new age crack babies, you'd rather throw your hands up and throw in the towel on an entire movement that made many of us who we are today.

I gotta call bullshyt here.
 
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WHOEVER and Whatever they can do to give us the conclusion and illusion that we have lost something to them that they never had to begin with is checkmate. When you start BELEIVING they own something that they can never generate organically to begin with, you fell for it and they got you by the balls even worse then the artists themselves. It's you that they have to convince to let it go. They know it's yours. They can package it, print it, distribute it and put a price on it make it chart and then award it. But they can never create it themselves. The whole illusion right now is deeper than making crappy music. It's to convince an entire generation that knows the real value to relenquish ownership of their own culture. They want you to think That it's too far gone, while they make billions every year packaging a weaker product. The same with blues jazz and rock and roll. But always remember they didn't take it. We were convinced it didn't belong to us and still are unsure of it until this day.

You're being played and using the generation gap and disconnect is just another tool of the agenda to get you to walk away from yet another major inheritance given to you by all those who sacraficed and came before you. You're so upset with a couple of drugged out new age crack babies, you'd rather throw your hands up and throw in the towel on an entire movement that made many of us who we are today.

I gotta call bullshyt here.

Whoa. Realist shyt I've read in a minute.

:ohhh:
 

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that maybe :russ: but what i said still sounds, hip hop and rap music of today for the most part is trash. just a bunch of mumblin' noise and monkey see, monkey do shyt :francis:

I agree for the most part. There are still dope artists out there though, you just gotta dig a little to find them. Keep in mind, these days there's a lot more music out than it was back in the golden era. Music is everywhere so it's a lot of wack shyt you gotta sift through to get to the dope stuff.

One says there's no good rap music left and the other says you just have to dig. The bigger question is why does each perspective play into the scarcity of good music from "us" period? Like the other poster says, both vantage points play more into some type of illusion that our type of music that is quality is a rare thing. As if we are the defective ones and not the people behind the scenes signing these artist to validate this type of deception even further.

:patrice:

That's really the issue. No matter what side you're on either thinking it's completely gone or just more difficult to find, that quality artists in a lane we made is like some type of unicorn. While other genres that we built have no problem finding "great talent" all the time. Once everybody gives up their participation because they're frustrated at either a lack of options or the notion that there are none at all, they will not only monetize like crazy, but also dictate the entire narrative of a story they don't even know how to tell!
:scust:

I wouldn't be surprised if someone in a boardroom came up with that Hip Hop is Dead line just so we can keep repeating it while they fuel it with the bum ass nikkas they keep putting on.

:jbhmm:
 
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