OK, so what determines a first-week flop...anything less than 100K?

[666 ReVeNGe 666]

Disclaimer: I say first week because it seems like no one cares about the weeks that follow. First week is all yall remember.

So ..if rick ross and Pusha T flopped....what means it didn't flop? Anything less than 100K?

I mean..you complain about "lack of peomotion" and "no singles" but let's keep it a stack, no one is dropping singles anymore and forums and social media pretty much reduced the need for traditional promotion. The people who will actually buy their favorite artists music probably already know it's coming.

So...is Pusha, thugger and Ross sold 100k or more would their latest material mean they didn't flop??

 

[Zero]

It's any arbitrary number that allows them to make a shytty thread. Like they even buy records to begin with

 

[shynewhatts]

Wait pusha t had an album come out ?

 

[Prince Cairo]

Whatever The Booth wants it to be these days.

 

[Mandarin Duck]

It depends on if the Coli likes the artist or not.
If it's an artist they don't like, his flop is hilarious and he needs to retire.
If they like him, he had no promotion, no singles and record sales shouldn't deteremine how popular an artist is.

 

[Luck]

Whatever number the artist / label had as far as planning to break even and projections, I would guess if it's just like any other business which it is

Any other number is just conjecture on everyone else's part

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

Get the percentage of their first week sales and if it's not equal or more than that number then it's a flop

 

[Lifer11]

It depends on the artist.

What would be considered a flop for Beyonce would be a huge success for any rap artist outside of Jay, Kanye, Drake, Cole, Kendrick, and Em.

Also depends on the buzz the artist has and what they've sold on previous projects, like if "Views From the 6" somehow sells like 80,000 that would be a huge flop, it won't happen but just an example for the sake of the thread.



AND, just about everyone is still dropping singles. Outside of Beyonce's suprise album, Cole's 2014 Forest Hills Drive, and whatever other suprise albums or albums disguised as mixtapes that dropped, the majority of artists are still releasing singles.

 

[Lifer11]

Get the percentage of their first week sales and if it's not equal or more than that number then it's a flop

Can you clarify your post? What percentage of first week sales and if what's not equal to that number? Do you mean the first week sales from their prior albums? I'm not trying to be disrespectful I'm just confused by your post.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Sales match the promotion. Ain't like my nikka was everywhere ESPN GQ Magazine had controversy in the news etc.

I think you sell well when people who don't know who the fukk you are start checkin for your shyt in a heavy way. Flash in the pan hype and "fans" don't do shyt

 

[H. Selassie]

The worst folks are the ones that turn all their attention to low sales and never discuss the actual quality of the music.

But like it's been said, it only happens when cats wanna hate on an artist. Lot of fakkits in The Booth do that.

 

[Mess World]

If I was a rapper I would be happy to sell 10k first week that's like 10k in my pocket. These rappers are so money hungry and greedy they're not pleased unless they sell 100k even though they'll spend it all at the strip club and Lease a Bentley

 

[Lifer11]

Sales match the promotion. Ain't like my nikka was everywhere ESPN GQ Magazine had controversy in the news etc.

I think you sell well when people who don't know who the fukk you are start checkin for your shyt in a heavy way. Flash in the pan hype and "fans" don't do shyt

Sales don't always match the promotion, if that was the case there'd be no secret to what makes an artist sell, every label would just push the shyt out of every artist knowing that more promotion automatically equals more sales. Many times it does, but if an artist just isn't connecting with people, or has past their prime, no amount of promo can assure great numbers.


EDIT: Flash in the pan hype does shyt all the time, that's the exact reason behind one hit wonders. And fans absolutely do shyt, J. Cole is the prime example of that, he's never received huge promo or had radio single success to match his album #s. He's had some big singles and obviously received a boost from his appearance on "A Star is Born" on Jay's BP3 but that track got NO PROMO it wasn't a single and it largely flew under the radar except to the people who eventually became his core fans. All of his albums have greatly outsold what the projections were, due to a die hard cult fanbase that wasn't focused on the radio singles. The internet, and the college grassroots promo effect, were the biggest factors in Cole becoming one of rap's biggest names.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Sales don't always match the promotion, if that was the case there'd be no secret to what makes an artist sell, every label would just push the shyt out of every artist knowing that more promotion automatically equals more sales. Many times it does, but if an artist just isn't connecting with people, or has past their prime, no amount of promo can assure great numbers.


EDIT: Flash in the pan hype does shyt all the time, that's the exact reason behind one hit wonders. And fans absolutely do shyt, J. Cole is the prime example of that, he's never received huge promo or had radio single success to match his album #s. He's had some big singles and obviously receive a boost from his appearance on "A Star is Born" on Jay's BP3 but that track got NO PROMO it wasn't a single and it largely flew under the radar except to the people who eventually became his core fans. All of his albums have greatly outsold what the projections were, due to a die hard cult fanbase that wasn't focused on the radio singles. The internet, and the college grassroots promo effect, were the biggest factors in Cole becoming one of rap's biggest names.

Right.

When i was saying sales match the promotion i was talking about Pusha, not music in general. His sales match how aware people were that he had something coming out.

I mentioned hype because there's alot of one-hit wonders who don't/didn't sell. Fetty wap was everywhere and didn't sell. In terms of fans, alot of old school artists have millions of die-hard fans and don't sell.

I said those two things don't do shyt, which is my colloquial way of saying they don't neccessarily translate into sales. Not saying their completely irrelevant factors.

Cole has novelty (not novelty in the sense of his artistic style, but in terms of being a relatively new artist with his hype having been a slow burn) on his side. Pusha T doesn't have that factor of course, so even though his overall fanbase is arguably larger, he isn't selling. Also Cole markets himself to the just outta high school crowd with youth on their side and the most disposable income, whereas Pusha T's fanbase is in their late 30s and are starting families if they don't have one already. Buying that new album an artist dropped is at the bottom of the list of expenditures they prioritize when they recieve their paychecks.

 

[Lifer11]

Right.

When i was saying sales match the promotion i was talking about Pusha, not music in general. His sales match how aware people were that he had something coming out.

I mentioned hype because there's alot of one-hit wonders who don't/didn't sell. Fetty wap was everywhere and didn't sell. In terms of fans, alot of old school artists have millions of die-hard fans and don't sell.

I said those two things don't do shyt, which is my colloquial way of saying they don't neccessarily translate into sales. Not saying their completely irrelevant factors.

Cole has novelty (not novelty in the sense of his artistic style, but in terms of being a relatively new artist with his hype having been a slow burn) on his side. Pusha T doesn't have that factor of course, so even though his overall fanbase is arguably larger, he isn't selling. Also Cole markets himself to the just outta high school crowd with youth on their side and the most disposable income, whereas Pusha T's fanbase is in their late 30s and are starting families if they don't have one already. Buying that new album an artist dropped is at the bottom of the list of expenditures they prioritize when they recieve their paychecks.

Oh my bad completely overlooked the part about Pusha.

And yea Cole's fanbase is a very specialized one, the biggest thing he had going for him was the college crowd, his first tour was a college tour. Jay's BP3 tour was on college campuses with Cole opening, looking back it makes me wonder if Jay was purposely trying to expose Cole more cause why the hell would the biggest name in rap go on a college tour?

And yea Pusha's sales don't come anywhere close to matching his talent level. Thankfully Kanye gives him the opportunity to put music out even though he's not a huge commercial success, I'm sure being an incredible ghostwriter doesn't hurt either.

Fetty didn't do too bad, just didn't come close to matching the hype and the sales of his singles, but that's really the biggest problem. He was mismanaged, his album dropped way too late so they didn't capitalize on his buzz the way they should've, but his fanbase seems like it's a very fickle one as it is, it doesn't seem like he has a dedicated fanbase just a bunch of casual listeners who like his hooks.