Ok 😒 this “everyone in history that was important was secretly black” stuff got to stop we looking crazy “Columbas was a black moor” 😒

[Ty Daniels]

I think this is actually genetically impossible due to the fact their are a finite amout of genetic variations.
I believe i read somewhere that once you go back enough generations, you are technically no longer even related even if you spawn from that direct blood line.
The amount of DNA your share with your ancestors decreases with each generation. you share 7% of dna with your 6th Great Grandparent for example.

If we go back 50 thousand years, they literally have no genetic connection with modern descendants. And could have had any appearance for all we know.
They might resemble modern africans but they aren't really yet at that point. They were just people with dark skin. They might've all looked like super dark skinned samoans for all we know.

Breh,

With all due respect you said "I Think", SMH...

That is the difference between what you are saying, and what I am saying.

I don't "Think Anything".

The Info I put forth is based upon the ACTUAL Data from scientific studies, NOT MY OWN IDEAS.

I've been studying this shyt for 30+ years now.

There is no "Debate" about this, SMH

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Also the primary BULK of Human Genetic Diversity(and Phenotypic Diversity) is found in Africa.

"Eurasians" are but a subset of the original African diversity.

That African Genetic Diversity was IN-PLACE BEFORE the First "Out Of Africa" Migrations, and those people were "Phenotypically Black".

 

[Luke Cage]

Breh,

With all due respect you said "I Think", SMH...

That is the difference between what you are saying, and what I am saying.

I don't "Think Anything".

The Info I put forth is based upon the ACTUAL Data from scientific studies, NOT MY OWN IDEAS.

I've been studying this shyt for 30+ years now.

There is not "Debate" about this, SMH

sure, cool. I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. But you overlook the facts i also presented. How can they look like us if its impossible for them to share our DNA? thats all i'm saying.

I'm just saying yes, they are dark skinned and african but, you would easily be able to distinguish between early man and modern man. There wasn't anybody 50 thousand years ago that looked like Idris Elba. They might not even have the same hair growth as us, maybe their foreheads were fully covered with hair back then. we don't know for sure.
early man was african, yes. but what was african back then isn't the same as what is african now. Its impossible.
Black people are not the only phenotype the didn't change over the millennial. Kind of weird and unscientific to think that happened to everybody except us.

 

[Geordi]

Modern Europeans look the way they do, PRIMARY because of the Germanic/Barbarian Invasions.
For the MAJORITY of Human History, ALL HUMANS had "Black Phenotypes", that is what the data says.

Using a "Artistic Rendition" like the one you have above means nothing.

I'm basing my position on the Cranio-Facial Data, and the Limb Proportion data, and that from Africa, all the way to Siberia showed the Original humans to have "Tropical Adaptations" (Skeletal and Cranial-Facially).

- Humanity originated in Africa, the first "Anatomically Modern Humans" had "Black Phenotypes" developed in Africa.
- Those "Anatomically Modern Humans" migrated out of Africa and RETAINED African/Africoid Morphologies for TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

For the first 20,000 Years after the first successful "Out Of Africa" migrations, the Human populations were just essentially "African", as they had both African phenotypes, and they were damn near identical, genetically to Africans.

After the first 20,000 years, new Genetic signatures developed in "Eurasia" that would now make them classified as "Eurasian", which has ZERO barring on the Phenotype of the people.

We still have populations today that are "Black Eurasian", that don't possess any "African DNA" but are clearly "Phenotypically Black".

Based upon the most recent data Europe was Dark Skinned, until 1,700 years ago, which also just so happens to correspond with the Germanic/Barbarian Invasions.

Scientific facial reconstructions of European people 6000 bc usually look like they already had white facial features

Face of 9,000 year-old teen girl recreated

The face of a girl whose remains were found in Greece in 1993 has been reconstructed.

www.bbc.com

Those Germanic tribes you mention also came from Africa and looked black 45000 years ago until they changed then mixed with pre Italians, Spain British etc

 

[Ty Daniels]

sure, cool. I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. But you overlook the facts i also presented. How can they look like us if its impossible for them to share our DNA? thats all i'm saying.

I'm just saying yes, they are dark skinned and african but, you would easily be able to distinguish between early man and modern man. There wasn't anybody 50 thousand years ago that looked like Idris Elba. They might not even have the same hair growth as us, maybe their foreheads were fully covered with hair back then. we don't know for sure.
early man was african, yes. but what was african back then isn't the same as what is african now. Its impossible.

You presented a picture of a Dark Skinned Indian man as a visual refutation of the data I put forth.
As if I was the one confused, SMH

Even the first people of Indian were "African Featured" like the Andaman Islanders (Jarawa, Onge), they were both Genetically And Physically similar to those populations.

The person in this photo above is 100% "Eurasian" and does NOT HAVE ANY AFRICAN DNA!

The FACTS are that the first Humans that left Africa and Populated the World, and the First "Eurasians" had "Black Phenotypes", there IS ZERO DEBATE about this.

 

[Luke Cage]

You presented a picture of a Dark Skinned Indian man as a visual refutation of the data I put forth.

Even the first people of Indian were "African Featured" like the Andaman Islanders (Jarawa, Onge), they were both Genetically And Physically similar to those populations.

The FACTS are that the first Humans that left Africa and Populated the World, and the First "Eurasians" had "Black Phenotypes", there IS ZERO DEBATE about this.

I just think its scientifically impossible for them to look like us without sharing any DNA. and also think its pseudo scientific to think every racial group except us changed over the past millennia. Despite everything else including the land and environment changing during that time. No evidence to suggest we are the only living thing on the planet that is immune to evolution. Even our food (Meat, Fruit and Vegetables) looks different now than it did 50 thousand years ago. How we look the same with different diets?
I don't believe you.

 

[Rekkapryde]

ADAM AND EVE WERENT BLACK OR WHITE

THEY WERE RED

i have NEVER heard this one yet.

yall got me fukked up, can't even lie.

 

[Ty Daniels]

I just think its scientifically impossible for them to look like us without sharing any DNA. and also think is pseudo scientific to think every racial group except us changed over the past millennia. Despite everything else including the land and environment changing during that time. No evidence to suggest we are immune to that.
I don't believe you.

WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHAT "YOU THINK", SMH????

Either your "Position" is based upon data/evidence OR IT IS NOT.



And WHERE Did I say that "We Didn't Change, and Everyone Else Did"????? Nowhere did I say that.

Unlike you, I presented ACTUAL EVIDENCE, and not my "thoughts".

The problem is you are "Lost in the Sauce", and don't even know it.

You think "Genoype = Phenotype", SMH

It Does Not.

I showed a photo of a 100% Genetically "Eurasian" person(ONGE Andamanese Person), with ZERO African Ancestry.
That should have ended any "Debate", SMH.

There are "White North Africans" with "Sub Saharan" African Paternal and Maternal Haplotypes, YET THEY ARE STILL "White".

There are Black Americans, and Africans with "Eurasian" Paternal and Maternal Haplotypes, YET THEY ARE STILL "Black".

If your next response to me is about "What You Think", don't Bother, SMH!

 

[Luke Cage]

WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT WHAT "YOU THINK", SMH????

Either your "Position" is based upon data/evidence OR IT IS NOT.



And WHERE Did I say that "We Didn't Change, and Everyone Else Did"????? Nowhere did I say that.

Unlike you, I presented ACTUAL EVIDENCE, and not my "thoughts".

The problem is you are "Lost in the Sauce", and don't even know it.

You think "Genoype = Phenotype", SMH

It Does Not.

I showed a photo of a 100% Genetically "Eurasian" person(ONGE Andamanese Person), with ZERO African Ancestry.
That should have ended any "Debate", SMH.

There are "White North Africans" with "Sub Saharan" African Paternal and Maternal Haplotypes, YET THEY ARE STILL "White".

There are Black Americans, and Africans with "Eurasian" Paternal and Maternal Haplotypes, YET THEY ARE STILL "Black".

If your next response to me is about "What You Think", don't Bother, SMH!

Dude why are getting so upset? Chill. I don't mean any offense. I simply disagree.

My response is that ancestry is irrelevant past a certain number of generations because there are a finite number of genetic sequences. there aren't an infinite number of combinations. Even if you could trace your ancestry all the way back to adam and eve. You would share no relation to them personally. So it is pointless trying to connect somebody that long ago to someone today. They are not anymore related to you than you are the the europeans at this point.

 

[Ty Daniels]

Dude why are getting so upset? Chill. I don't mean any offense. I simply disagree.

My response is that ancestry is irrelevant past a certain number of generations because there are a finite number of genetic sequences. there aren't an infinite number of combinations. So it is pointless trying to connect somebody that long ago to someone today. They are not anymore related to you than you are the the europeans at this point.

This "Topic" is NOT about "Ancestry".

It is about "Phenotype", SMH

- Did the first "Eurasians" "Look Black" regardless of "Genotype/Ancestry", YES
- Did the First "Europeans" "Look Black" regardless of "Genotype/Ancestry", YES

I fully understand that "Genes Change" I'm the only one in this thread to list out a timeline of when "Out Of Africa/AMH" turned into "Eurasians", SMH.

And there is nothing you presented about what I said to "Disagree With", SMH.

Either you Know(based on the evidence) or you Don't, what you "Think" or "Don't Believe" is irrelevant to this conversation.

My positions have been clear, that there were "Black Europeans" that were "Genetically Eurasian".
And ALL of the Early "Eurasians" had "Black Phenotypes".

 

[Luke Cage]

This "Topic" is NOT about "Ancestry".

It is about "Phenotype", SMH

- Did the first "Eurasians" "Look Black" regardless of "Genotype/Ancestry", YES
- Did the First "Europeans" "Look Black" regardless of "Genotype/Ancestry", YES

I fully understand that "Genes Change" I'm the only one in this thread to list out a timeline of when "Out Of Africa/AMH" turned into "Eurasians", SMH.

And there is nothing you presented to "Disagree With".

My positions have been clear, that there were "Black Europeans" that were "Genetically Eurasian".

take a breath because i still disagree.
My stance is that "looking black" is different from black.
And being Genetically african in 2025 is not the same as being genetically african in 50 thousand bc

 

[alpo]

Anybody using "We Wuz" in the same way as insecure white folks, is a CERTIFIED BYTCH!

 

[Ty Daniels]

take a breath because i still disagree.
My stance is that "looking black" is different from black.
And being Genetically african in 2025 is not the same as being genetically african in 50 thousand bc

Breh,

What part of "You Disagreeing" does not matter, that you DON'T UNDERSTAND????



The Data is the Data, SMH

Go "ARGUE" With the multiple scientific lines of evidence that support my Position.

Never in my life have I seen a "Supposed Black Forum" so "Up In Arms" about early "Humans being Black", SMH

 

[Luke Cage]

Breh,

What part of "You Disagreeing" does not matter, that you DON'T UNDERSTAND????



The Data is the Data, SMH

Go "ARGUE" With the multiple scientific lines of evidence that support my Position.

Never in my life have I seen a "Supposed Black Forum" so "Up In Arms" about early "Humans being Black", SMH

Relax you are the only one up and arms. I'm just sharing my "gasp" opinion.
I truly don't think any scientific claim you have made has any merit. Because as i have stated, Genetic families only entend like 8 or 9 generations at max.
Nothing you have posted will make me believe that a person 50 thousand year ago could be so similar to me. regardless even if they were in my same family tree. At some point there is disconnect, branches don't extend that long. and since everything else looks different the expectation that they also look different should be expected. We wouldn't even recognize a banana from that long ago,

 

[Geordi]

I suspect the original people probably just look like humanity if we all mixed today.
But some people seem to not understand the difference between black/african and dark skin. And try to claim anybody with dark skin as black.
You can be black af and not be black

I get what you are saying many old races could have been lost to history. Africa is a huge and humans back then may have looked different in different parts of the continent. Minor racial differences may have already been forming when humans left the continent in waves.

Some of the original people that migrated from Africa could have looked like the San, and other waves like Asian Negritos or Australian Aborigines. They have some of the oldest DNA in the world.

San People:

 

[Luke Cage]

I get what you are saying many old races could have been lost to history. Africa is a huge and humans back then may have looked different in different parts of the continent. Minor racial differences may have already been forming when humans left the continent in waves.

Some of the original people that migrated from Africa could have looked like the San, and other waves like Asian Negritos or Australian Aborigines. They have some of the oldest DNA in the world.

San People:

Exactly what i'm saying.