Ok 😒 this “everyone in history that was important was secretly black” stuff got to stop we looking crazy “Columbas was a black moor” 😒
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We don't even think you're africanI hope you didn’t think I thought olmecs were africans…
good thing I am
Ok genius
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cheddar man is in europe.
I said thats similar to what they could have looked like since they are the oldest groups we have today. Nobody knows exactly what people 50000 years ago looked likeThe Original people who Migrated out of Africa WERE NOT KHOI-SAN Populations, SMH
- The Khoe-San diverged from the rest of the human lineage ~200,000 to 250,000 years ago, long before the major Out of Africa migration (~60,000–70,000 years ago).
Grasping for Straws, SMH!
Ty Daniels
Superstar
FALSE:
- SLC24A5: ancestral form (dark skin)
- SLC45A2: ancestral form (dark skin)
- OCA2 / HERC2: ancestral form (dark eyes)
- MC1R: no mutations for red/blond hair
- KITLG and TYRP1: ancestral forms
Fossil and Cranial Data
From sites like:
- Omo Kibish (Ethiopia) – ~195,000 years ago
- Herto (Ethiopia) – ~160,000 years ago
- Jebel Irhoud (Morocco) – ~300,000 years ago
- Skhul & Qafzeh (Levant) – ~100,000 years ago
- Liujiang (China) – ~68,000–159,000 years ago
Shared Traits:
| Trait | Description |
|---|---|
| Skin tone | Type V–VI (deep brown to black) |
| Nasal aperture | Broad (tropical adaptation) |
| Cranial vault | High and rounded |
| Jaw & Prognathism | Mild to moderate projection |
| Limb proportions | Long legs and arms (Allen’s Rule) |
| Hair texture (inferred) | Likely tightly coiled/kinky |
| Eye color | Dark brown to black |
| Body build | Lean and tall (Bergmann’s Rule) |
These traits are nearly identical to modern Nilotic and East African populations — e.g., Dinka, Hadza, Anuak, Mursi.
Skeletal Reconstructions & CT Scans
Studies and reconstructions of AMH fossils show:
- High cheekbones
- Low, wide nasal openings
- Long limbs relative to torso
- Strong jawlines
Fossil examples with reconstructions:
- Omo I & II (Ethiopia)
- Qafzeh 9 (Israel)
- Liujiang (Southern China)
- Tianyuan Man (China, ~40 kya) – retained tropical limb proportions
- Ust’-Ishim (Siberia, ~45 kya) – dark skin gene variants
Comparative Craniometry
Craniometric comparisons from studies like:- Brace et al. (2006)
- Howells Craniometric Dataset
- Stringer & McKie (1996)
These show early AMHs clustering closest with:
- Nilotic groups
- Horn of Africa populations
- Melanesians
- Andamanese
- Mbuti (Central African Pygmies) in cranial shape
What the Original AMHs Looked Like (c. 60,000–70,000 years ago):
| Category | Trait |
|---|---|
| Skin Color | Dark brown to black (Fitzpatrick V–VI) |
| Hair | Tightly coiled/kinky (Type 4) |
| Eyes | Dark brown to black |
| Nose | Broad, with low nasal bridge |
| Jawline | Prominent, mild prognathism |
| Cranial Vault | High, rounded |
| Limbs | Long legs and arms |
| Body Build | Lean, tall |
| Overall | Africoid/Tropical morphology |
At this point you are just "Arguing to Argue", SMH
ARE YOU, BLACK, YES OR NO?
DO NOT RESPOND BACK TO ME UNTIL YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION
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Yes I'm blackFALSE:
- SLC24A5: ancestral form (dark skin)
- SLC45A2: ancestral form (dark skin)
- OCA2 / HERC2: ancestral form (dark eyes)
- MC1R: no mutations for red/blond hair
- KITLG and TYRP1: ancestral forms
Fossil and Cranial Data
From sites like:
- Omo Kibish (Ethiopia) – ~195,000 years ago
- Herto (Ethiopia) – ~160,000 years ago
- Jebel Irhoud (Morocco) – ~300,000 years ago
- Skhul & Qafzeh (Levant) – ~100,000 years ago
- Liujiang (China) – ~68,000–159,000 years ago
Shared Traits:
Trait Description Skin tone Type V–VI (deep brown to black) Nasal aperture Broad (tropical adaptation) Cranial vault High and rounded Jaw & Prognathism Mild to moderate projection Limb proportions Long legs and arms (Allen’s Rule) Hair texture (inferred) Likely tightly coiled/kinky Eye color Dark brown to black Body build Lean and tall (Bergmann’s Rule)
These traits are nearly identical to modern Nilotic and East African populations — e.g., Dinka, Hadza, Anuak, Mursi.
Skeletal Reconstructions & CT Scans
Studies and reconstructions of AMH fossils show:
- High cheekbones
- Low, wide nasal openings
- Long limbs relative to torso
- Strong jawlines
Fossil examples with reconstructions:
- Omo I & II (Ethiopia)
- Qafzeh 9 (Israel)
- Liujiang (Southern China)
- Tianyuan Man (China, ~40 kya) – retained tropical limb proportions
- Ust’-Ishim (Siberia, ~45 kya) – dark skin gene variants
Comparative Craniometry
Craniometric comparisons from studies like:
- Brace et al. (2006)
- Howells Craniometric Dataset
- Stringer & McKie (1996)
These show early AMHs clustering closest with:
- Nilotic groups
- Horn of Africa populations
- Melanesians
- Andamanese
- Mbuti (Central African Pygmies) in cranial shape
What the Original AMHs Looked Like (c. 60,000–70,000 years ago):
Category Trait Skin Color Dark brown to black (Fitzpatrick V–VI) Hair Tightly coiled/kinky (Type 4) Eyes Dark brown to black Nose Broad, with low nasal bridge Jawline Prominent, mild prognathism Cranial Vault High, rounded Limbs Long legs and arms Body Build Lean, tall Overall Africoid/Tropical morphology
At this point you are just "Arguing to Argue", SMH
ARE YOU, BLACK, YES OR NO?
DO NOT RESPOND BACK TO ME UNTIL YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION
There are too many topics now; we are not talking about the first anatomically modern humans. Weren't the San people around 60000 years ago?
Are you saying Europeans in Britain looked like the Dinka only 1,700 years ago?
Ty Daniels
Superstar
Yes I'm black
There are too many topics now; we are not talking about the first anatomically modern humans. Weren't the San people around 60000 years ago?
Are you saying Europeans in Britain looked like the Dinka only 1,700 years ago?
"I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING", SMH
The Data I presented is NOT FROM ME, BUT FROM MULTIPLE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES!
Ancient (Early Out Of Africa)Europeans/Eurasians looked Closer (Phenotypically) to the Dinka than Modern Europeans.
That is WHAT THE DATA Says.
You keep trying to Navigate around your own "Personal Opinions", while I AM NOT.
I am relying on the CURRENT AVAILABLE DATA
Also the Khoe-San People SPLIT FROM THE "OUT OF AFRICA" Population, BEFORE THEY EVEN LEFT AFRICA.
The Khoe-San People WERE NOT THE "OUT OF AFRICA" Population, SMH!
Genetic studies show that Khoe-San populations diverged from all other humans ~200,000–250,000 years ago, possibly even earlier.
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How does this help me now?
You are all over the place. This topic is about Columbus and my original comment was about Europe in Columbus time. Then you replied to me about Europeans 1700 years ago. Now you talking about out of Africa."I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING", SMH
The Data I presented is NOT FROM ME, BUT FROM MULTIPLE SCIENTIFIC STUDIES!
Ancient (Early Out Of Africa)Europeans/Eurasians looked Closer (Phenotypically) to the Dinka than Modern Europeans.
That is WHAT THE DATA Says.
You keep trying to Navigate around your own "Personal Opinions", while I AM NOT.
I am relying on the CURRENT AVAILABLE DATA
Also the Khoe-San People SPLIT FROM THE "OUT OF AFRICA" Population, BEFORE THEY EVEN LEFT AFRICA.
The Khoe-San People WE NOT THE "OUT OF AFRICA" Population, SMH!
Genetic studies show that Khoe-San populations diverged from all other humans ~200,000–250,000 years ago, possibly even earlier.
All I want to know is what the people in Britain looked like in the year 1500 bc. Do you have any facial reconstructions?
Ty Daniels
Superstar
I am "NOT ALL OVER THE PLACE", YOU ARE.
You made a statement earlier about:
"Black Europe and White Cave Men with Cubs, Taking it over" as a Jab about people claiming that Europeans were ever "Black",
I responded, NOW WE ARE HERE.
You Brought up "Khoe San" Not me.
I do not rely on "Facial Reconstructions" because they are ALL Subject to "Artistic License" which basically means that the artist does what the Fukk they want with it, at any point in the process.
They also rely on "Soft Tissue" data that is often gathered from populations that DON'T Match(and or are not even similar to) the actual Reconstruction Target.
I posted CRANIO-FACIAL AND SKELETAL INFO and names of multiple Studies.
This will be my last post to you, I have ZERO desire to go back in forth with someone who is "UNPREPARED", SMH!
Dzali OG
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Just shows you and others don't understand science of evolution. Evolution doesn't have a damn ultimate!
When I was dumb...I thought as you do...that evolution was saying Europeans were the "update" to black people. Get scientifically literate bruh. Because black people dead last due to us being scientifically illiterate.
Dzali OG
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Cheddar man wasn't a nikka.
Never heard Columbus being Black I did hear about him being a Jew and having Moorish individuals on his ship