kingdizzy01
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so your saying all these other races that were involved in making hip hop as popular as it is today (rock steady crew, beastie boys, big pun, eminem) grew up on the black experience...right?
Ok...time to destroy Eminem and his supporters!
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so your saying all these other races that were involved in making hip hop as popular as it is today (rock steady crew, beastie boys, big pun, eminem) grew up on the black experience...right?
I edited my post above to be more in depth. I agree with you saying hip hop is a black thing. But eminem grew up in similar circumstances as any black person so I don't see how you can say Em isn't hip hop or whatever just because he's white.
And it's not like there weren't white people in rap before Eminem. Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice (bad example) were well known. House of Pain and MC Serch. Before Eminem even came out Beastie Boys sold 19x Plat with all of their albums. House of Pain went 1x plat, Vanilla Ice went 7x platinum. So I don't agree with you saying Eminem was so damaging to hip hop by being white in a predominately black culture.
That's like saying - someone who was born and raised in America/in a white community, but because they are black they shouldn't be associated with White America and should be seen as African. Or that's like saying someone who is white was born and raised into Hinduism (maybe they were adopted) - shouldn't be a part of that religion because of their skin color.
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MoneyBags
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how about actually being black?
And I'm looking at you sideways for thinking the black experience is "getting shot at, growing up without a father and being poor". Yeah, that's being black.
GetInTheTruck
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If there was no such thing as the black struggle in America there would be no such thing as Hip-Hop. That's just a fact.
It's a culture that grew out of the black experience, since latinos are often in the same proximity as black people it naturally caught on with them as well and progressed accordingly. That doesn't make Hip-Hop any less "black." Latino's have lots of things that are unique to their culture and experience as well which other people may enjoy but I don't see anybody trying to appropriate their ownership of those things like you see happening with hip-hop.
why can't people just be comfortable with enjoying something that is "black?" That's the real question here. Before hip-hop took off everybody tried to shyt on it, it was a fad, it was jungle music, it was the soundtrack for criminals, it all sounded the "same" etc. MTV only played rap for 20 minutes a day, if that. But as soon as it became a global "phenomenon" and a cash cow it all of a sudden became a "universal thing" and no longer a black thing. How convenient. Sorry but I'm not buying it.
GetInTheTruck
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The fact that he's white makes his experience different by default. That's the point.
and guys like Everlast and MC Serch would agree with the fact that Hip-Hop is a black artform that they just so happen to be taking part in. Again, there's nothing wrong with that at all.
The Eminem phenomenon was different. Here we had a white rapper who was more way more advanced technically than his other [white] peers. Hip-Hop had "grown" enough nationally and globally to the point where the situation was ripe for a guy like him to come through and crush everything. White people were already the ones being catered to musically and their savior had arrived. The rest is history.
My point is that he shouldn't be considered to be the GOAT just because the majority of his fans who are white (a good percentage of whom don't even really listen to rap like that) want to crown him that.
kingdizzy01
ATXBBOY
kickin knowledge b 
A lot of the top rappers in the past have grown up in those kinds of circumstances. Jay Z shot his brother or w/e, didn't have a father (moment of clarity), grew up in a poor neighborhood. Nas somewhat had a father, but he grew up poor, his best friend/brother were shot at/killed. Tupac grew up poor, without a father, and was shot. Same goes for BIG (although pac/big were shot after they blew up - but they still group up in that kind of environment). More of the best rappers fit that kind of mold than don't.
It's just that guy was saying hip hop is about the black experience in America - but Em's experience was similar growing up as many other black rappers.
CONTINUE!!!!!I just have a problem with people calling him the GOAT, Em is the 2nd most overrated rapper ever next to Pac.
Em has skills, his first album is a classic and he was spitting on it no question. After that though his image and subject matter just started to rub me the wrong way and his dikkriders just got way outta hand.
Also, for someone who is heralded as one of the best battlers ever, who has he really went to toe to toe with? Ja Rule? Cage? Benzino?The same people who dikkride Em and call him the GOAT will shyt on someone like Cam who went to war on record with Jay, Nas, 50....Em can't claim to have those kind of accolades.
Another reason I can't really fukk with him like that is because of all these overnight hip-hop "fans" his stardom produced. People who never bought a rap record in their life all of a sudden bumping Eminem because he's white?Even now you got these fakkits who are like "I don't listen to rap but I like Eminem." It's not Em's fault but I'm sorry, I can't fukk with his music because of shyt like that. I just can't.
White people support their own though. What other washed up rapper could just come back out and have people fiendin to cop his shyt the day it drops? shyt is crazy.
THANK YOU!!!!!. I WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO DESCRIBE THESE DELUSIONAL EM STANS!!!!!!!!!
Eminem is more known for his multi's than punchlines....he doesn't sound anything like Finesse, just stop it.
As far as subject matter is concerned, he was definitely influenced by the outsidaz.
"your bytch said Aliens raped her and her 4 friends, but it was all the outz we dressed up like martians" - Young Zee....tell me that doesn't sound like some shyt Em would say. It sure as hell aint something Finesse would say. Why did Em sound so different on Infinite? Dude goes from writing love ballads like this:
...to talking about throwing his baby moms in a trunk
and Cage was doing all that crazy whiteboy shyt before Em, that's why that beef existed to begin with.
I'm not saying Eminem isn't a talented MC, but he wasn't an innovator at all, and definitely nowhere near the GOAT.
But Rah Digga was also a part of the Outsidaz and she was not making verses like that.....
I keep waiting for dude to make and actual point but it's taking too long, nikka is too busy talking about wearing dresses, and from the looks of it needing some lip chap, or a wet nap or something..
What does wearing a dress have to do with buying and listening to a CD though? like that's a big leap my nikka...and you said you bought the first two so you're basically admitting to be a fucck nikka in the "closest" for fukk nikkas...you clowning yourself.
You say you never met a nikka with an em CD..besides yourself...and you're apparently the ONLY nikka to ever buy an album of his, only to play them in secret...yeah ok.
As for me, since even before "grown man drinking age" I been able to stand on my own two as far as my opinions and views go....you know, like a grown man..
The fact that you're 40 and were still that concerned about peer pressure when those albums dropped says a hell of a lot about you.
You weren't even in high school at that point breh, that's pathetic.
The "why's" are much more complex than him getting a pass, you want it to boil down to that as if him getting to that point in the first place was some kind of fluke, it wasn't.
Like what? swag? sounding like a black dude?
And em through out his career has done much more than just "molest" words
More idiocy. I connected with songs like "if I had", "rock bottom" just fine.
As a black man who actually grew up in the hood em has touched on many things that I can identify with. Poverty, negligent parents on both sides of the fence, drug addiction, domestic abuse, dealing with fatherhood and having to find a way to provide...shyt wanting to be an MC/artist and the struggle that's involved with that...
the majority of that shouldn't be too foreign to anybody who grew up in the struggle...the only thing you can find to REALLY complain about is him sounding like he has "baby nuts"...aka, he sounds white...you'd rather listen to bronson because his voice turns you on even though he's inferior in every other way imaginable other than being able to sound like a black guy...cornball cac references and rape lyrics included.
What does wearing a dress have to do with buying and listening to a CD though? like that's a big leap my nikka...and you said you bought the first two so you're basically admitting to be a fucck nikka in the "closest" for fukk nikkas...you clowning yourself.
You say you never met a nikka with an em CD..besides yourself...and you're apparently the ONLY nikka to ever buy an album of his, only to play them in secret...yeah ok.
As for me, since even before "grown man drinking age" I been able to stand on my own two as far as my opinions and views go....you know, like a grown man..
The fact that you're 40 and were still that concerned about peer pressure when those albums dropped says a hell of a lot about you.
You weren't even in high school at that point breh, that's pathetic.
The "why's" are much more complex than him getting a pass, you want it to boil down to that as if him getting to that point in the first place was some kind of fluke, it wasn't.
Like what? swag? sounding like a black dude?
And em through out his career has done much more than just "molest" words
More idiocy. I connected with songs like "if I had", "rock bottom" just fine.
As a black man who actually grew up in the hood em has touched on many things that I can identify with. Poverty, negligent parents on both sides of the fence, drug addiction, domestic abuse, dealing with fatherhood and having to find a way to provide...shyt wanting to be an MC/artist and the struggle that's involved with that...
the majority of that shouldn't be too foreign to anybody who grew up in the struggle...the only thing you can find to REALLY complain about is him sounding like he has "baby nuts"...aka, he sounds white...you'd rather listen to bronson because his voice turns you on even though he's inferior in every other way imaginable other than being able to sound like a black guy...cornball cac references and rape lyrics included.
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