Old heads, is it true Reasonable Doubt...

[Stack Money]

RD debuted like 27th on the billboard charts... If that doesn't say nikkas wasn't checking for the album back then IDK what will.

I'm pretty sure Jay was like at the free promotion Pac give him on 7 day theory.


Keep in Mind Nas had the number 1 for like a month and Pac sold 5 milli in a matter of months

Nas debuted at #12 and only sold 59,000 copies which is just 16,000 more than Jay's debut sold, so if nikkas weren't checkin for him then they weren't checkin for Nas either.

Pac stayed dissin Jay so obviously if Pac mentioned him so many times that proves people were checkin for him.

@Stack Money

@ you diggin in the crates to bump this old thread in an attempt to prove a point when there's a more recent thread sayin the same shyt about Nas that @StillNotSoft linked you to which you conveniently ignored.

 

[TripleAgent]

Nas debuted at #12 and only sold 59,000 copies which is just 16,000 more than Jay's debut sold, so if nikkas weren't checkin for him then they weren't checkin for Nas either.

Pac stayed dissin Jay so obviously if Pac mentioned him so many times that proves people were checkin for him.


@ you diggin in the crates to bump this old thread in an attempt to prove a point when there's a more recent thread sayin the same shyt about Nas that @StillNotSoft linked you to which you conveniently ignored.

Nas' buzz was CRAZY, he just didn't have any mainstream or radio singles. As soon as IWW comes out with a hit single, boom, double plat. Jay-Z was just a talented dude who used to rap with Jaz and put an album out.

 

[Antdrewjosh]

I remember arguing with cats that RD was just as good as IWW...

 

[NormanConnors]

Yep, when you speak of the CD with the revolver on it, you can weed out who was a Jay fan at that time.

96 was all about All Eyez On Me, Makaveli, Stakes Is High, Muddy Waters, Hell On Earth, ATLIENS, The Score Beats Rhymes and Life and It was Written and etc...might be the goat year because you had the Roots, Ras Kass, Heltah Skeltah, OGC, Busta, Xzibit, Jeru and etc dropping as well...I spent a ton of dough that year

RD was/is a dope album, copped 1st day

 

[Stack Money]

Nas' buzz was CRAZY, he just didn't have any mainstream or radio singles. As soon as IWW comes out with a hit single, boom, double plat. Jay-Z was just a talented dude who used to rap with Jaz and put an album out.

Nas might've had crazy buzz among hip hop heads in NY but he wasn't hyped like that anywhere else, most people never even heard of Jaz-O back then and Jay didn't just put an album out he put a classic out and unlike Nas he did have mainstream radio singles.

 

[TripleAgent]

Nas might've had crazy buzz among hip hop heads in NY but he wasn't hyped like that anywhere else, most people never even heard of Jaz-O back then and Jay didn't just put an album out he put a classic out and unlike Nas he did have mainstream radio singles.

Jaz was known amongst the same crowd of heads that were excited about Illmatic. RD was just another album breh. Just the way it is. Nobody said it was trash or whatever, but all this like it was some kind of event, and killed the game, is all revisionist history and Jay stannery.

 

[Antdrewjosh]

It didn't have the hype or the anticipation factor. It was more like let me check this shyt out.. oh shyt this shyt is dope. Keep listening....this is just as dope as IWW. Yo did you peep that Jay Z joint yet.. let me put you my nikka. Keep it in the rotation of all the classics that came out that Year..

 

[...and some waffle fries]

Music was way more regional back then. Radio was huge and the only way to crossover to a national level. Bone was waaay bigger Jay Z. Jay wasnt dominating the airwaves at that time. Also, ppl dont take into account how big R&B was too. Folks had so much to listen to. Pac and Biggie were alive when RD came out too. He was just another artist.

 

[Stack Money]

Jaz was known amongst the same crowd of heads that were excited about Illmatic. RD was just another album breh. Just the way it is. Nobody said it was trash or whatever, but all this like it was some kind of event, and killed the game, is all revisionist history and Jay stannery.

So basically Jaz was only known to NY heads, RD was a classic that cats were bumpin across the country mad nikkas in that other thread said cats in they hood was fukkin wit it heavy. We were bumpin it out here and dude had a number of hits off it, you Nas stans actin like Illmatic was some kind of event when it came and went and didn't get attention like that until years later. THAT'S revisionist history as is sayin Reasonable Doubt had no impact, it changed the game of Mafioso Rap influencin Biggie to start The Commission puttin Jay to the group and droppin a Mafioso Rap album soundin more like RD than any other album in the sub-genre. I'm far from a Jay stan but I call out bullshyt when I see it.

 

[Wacky D]

you can't be this dumb..i gave you the song and you still act like you dont' hear it

''i'm a bad boy killa,jay z die too'' 2:38 mark

like i said no one outside new york knew who the camel was until Pac said his name

"aint no niqqa" was heavy on BET & the urban MTV shows long before the makaveli album.

matter fact, it was a bigger hit than the single that 2pac had out at the time. lol.

but let yall tell it, nobody knew who jay was.

 

[Harry B]

I remember arguing with cats that RD was just as good as IWW...

Lol, I remember people arguing that IWW was so so and Nas sold out, they weren't even mentioned together very often until later. But then again my cousins were some of the few people that bought Illmatic when it dropped.

One was a commercial project targeted at the masses, the other was not.

 

[Wacky D]

RD & IWW was often compared cuz of the similarities, I guess.

but yea I remember the reception for IWW was split.

meanwhile reasonable doubt was large in the streets.
.

 

[Harry B]

Jaz was known amongst the same crowd of heads that were excited about Illmatic. RD was just another album breh. Just the way it is. Nobody said it was trash or whatever, but all this like it was some kind of event, and killed the game, is all revisionist history and Jay stannery.

No one ever said it came and killed the game, it was more like Kind of Blue by Miles Davis only the real jazz geeks had it in the 60s.
Even Jay himself said it was the shyt. And everyone else says that it was very underrated.

And excited about Illmatic? That's cause the jews gave it 5 mics.

And as we know now, albums start didn't get 5 mics are a lot better than the ones that did.
One for all, Amerikkkas most wanted, Illmatic, Let the rhythm hit them, De la soul is dead, The low end theory and Illmatic
One for all, let the rhythm and De la soul is dead were nice but not top 10 or even top 20 of 88 to 96

 

[Pimp]

Nas debuted at #12 and only sold 59,000 copies which is just 16,000 more than Jay's debut sold, so if nikkas weren't checkin for him then they weren't checkin for Nas either.

Pac stayed dissin Jay so obviously if Pac mentioned him so many times that proves people were checkin for him.


@ you diggin in the crates to bump this old thread in an attempt to prove a point when there's a more recent thread sayin the same shyt about Nas that @StillNotSoft linked you to which you conveniently ignored.

It was written was released 1996 and sold 268,000 copies the first week. Get out of here with the duck tales man. Every last car that went by summer 96 was playing Nas shyt..

 

[Harry B]

RD & IWW was often compared cuz of the similarities, I guess.

but yea I remember the reception for IWW was split.

meanwhile reasonable doubt was large in the streets.
.

I seriously don't remember that comparison until years later, the mafioso thing.
It was Rae and Az in 95, Big in 97, Hell on Earth, Kool G 456, and other less poppin albums, then Nas dreaming up tails on that tip mixed with random songs about freeing people, one day street level next day Colombian don in 96. Very ill rhyming yes but on the other hand you had Jay who was really talking introspectively about his life.

Perhaps I analyze full projects in details, my point is that there were albums that were a lot closer to RD in both sound, structure and rhyming. The only thing they had in common was that cocaine was mentioned. Like comparing Rick Ross first album and IWW, which probably have more in common minus skill. One might say