Old heads, what was big and pac's presence in the music scene like when they were alive?

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

How was Pac bigger than cypress hill when they had a monster hit & were on rock tours being straight gangsta rappers and going triple plat pac couldn't even go plat with his struggle commercial singles. stop it. fucc you mean regionally? Only the biggest WC artists got play nationally people across the nation back then were into their own regions music, i was doing you a favor without bringing up the east, when you factor in wu-tang & tribe pac would not even get into the top 10.

we talking hip-hop tho. pac was bigger in hip-hop than cypress hill in '93.

you want to talk about west coast artists getting play across the board, the only west coast artists that were bigger than pac on a national scale in '93 was dre, snoop, cube and you can make a case for eazy-e. that's why I said, maybe there were some others that were bigger than pac regionally. I was helping YOU out more than anything.

east coast: only thing bigger than pac in '93 was the ONYX and maybe naughty by nature.

wutang didn't become stars until their 4th video. you want to talk sales, but "36 chambers" was a flop on the charts for months. they didn't start to sell until CREAM and SWV's "Anything remix" hit radio.

tribe was on the downside of their popularity. a lot of their fans had already started moving on.

commercially, salt n pepa was still HUGE tho.........and pac was in their biggest video at the time, if im not mistaken.

also, youre too caught up in sales. people weren't really paying attention to sales like that back then. besides, some of these artists that youre claiming were bigger than pac, were selling the same amount of units that he sold.

For those saying Biggie wasn't the Biggest Rapper on the East. Then why did he win 2 Billboard Awards for Best Rap Artist of the Year and Single of Year. Billboard deals directly with chart success. "Ready To Die" had a huge impact on Hip Hop:

who said that biggie wasn't the biggest mainstream name on the east?

I think theyre saying that he wasn't really running chit.

 

[frush11]

Don't get me wrong, they were both great artist. But during that period, great music was coming out on a daily basis. So yes they were stars, but their deaths really took them to another level.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

we talking hip-hop tho. pac was bigger in hip-hop than cypress hill in '93.

you want to talk about west coast artists getting play across the board, the only west coast artists that were bigger than pac on a national scale in '93 was dre, snoop, cube and you can make a case for eazy-e. that's why I said, maybe there were some others that were bigger than pac regionally. I was helping YOU out more than anything.

east coast: only thing bigger than pac in '93 was the ONYX and maybe naughty by nature.

wutang didn't become stars until their 4th video. you want to talk sales, but "36 chambers" was a flop on the charts for months. they didn't start to sell until CREAM and SWV's "Anything remix" hit radio.

tribe was on the downside of their popularity. a lot of their fans had already started moving on.

commercially, salt n pepa was still HUGE tho.........and pac was in their biggest video at the time, if im not mistaken.

also, youre too caught up in sales. people weren't really paying attention to sales like that back then. besides, some of these artists that youre claiming were bigger than pac, were selling the same amount of units that he sold.

Feast ya eyes on this people, It's endemic of the pac stan arguement, devoid of fact and reliant on subjectivity such as ''bigger in hiphop''

Rather than face the facts he wants us to believe a rapper slash/actor with 5x the exposure of his peers, 2x bigger commercial hit singles & multiple movie roles, one of them being along side a world wide pop sensation in her prime albums were not selling well because he was some sort of national underground sensation the mainstream had not got a taste of yet That's not all he thinks Pac was a bigger underground sensation on the eastcoast than Wu Tang

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Feast ya eyes on this people, It's endemic of the pac stan arguement, devoid of fact and reliant on subjectivity such as ''bigger in hiphop''

Rather than face the facts he wants us to believe a rapper slash/actor with 5x the exposure of his peers, 2x bigger commercial hit singles & multiple movie roles, one of them being along side a world wide pop sensation in her prime albums were not selling well because he was some sort of national underground sensation the mainstream had not got a taste of yet That's not all he thinks Pac was a bigger underground sensation on the eastcoast than Wu Tang

dog, what the hell are you talking about?

youre talking stupid right now.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Feast ya eyes on this people, It's endemic of the pac stan arguement, devoid of fact and reliant on subjectivity such as ''bigger in hiphop''

Rather than face the facts he wants us to believe a rapper slash/actor with 5x the exposure of his peers, 2x bigger commercial hit singles & multiple movie roles, one of them being along side a world wide pop sensation in her prime albums were not selling well because he was some sort of national underground sensation the mainstream had not got a taste of yet That's not all he thinks Pac was a bigger underground sensation on the eastcoast than Wu Tang

lol. for starters, youre putting a lot of words in my mouth. I didn't even say most of the stuff that youre trying to argue with me about.

for the record, im in agreement that pac & big's legacies were taken to ridiculous heights after they died. but some of yall are being just as ridiculous, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.

I never said pac was some underground sensation. but for the record, I should point out that the wutang clan weren't some underground sensation either. them dudes had their own primetime mtv special before their record actually started selling.

you were claiming that wutang was bigger than pac coming out of '93. and I just pointed out that they weren't.

I

 

[FreshAIG]

At the time of their deaths, Biggie was the biggest rapper on the East and Pac was the biggest rapper on the West, but they weren't head and shoulders above everyone else. Their beef really fueled their popularity. But they were without a question the biggest stars in their respective coasts.

There was no disputing that Biggie was the king of NY at his death. Nas a lot of hip hop heads were crying cause he changed his style on IWW. Revisionist history will have people think everyone loved IWW when it came out, they didn't. A lot of people thought Nas sold out

Pac was just the biggest star cause he was in a bunch of movies and always in the news for being shot, going to jail or in some controversy. Pac was bigger name then Biggie mainstream wise because of this.

The Fugees were huge but they weren't really considered a straight up rap group, more alternative. Bone Thugs were on Big and Pac's level as far as popularity but only for a 2 year span. Snoop was just as big as them, but he wasn't releasing much music cause of the trial, Jay was local, Cube had fallen off by then and was considered a sell out, Dre hadn't released an album in 4-5 years but he was still a huge name but not like he was in the early 90s. Wu was big but kinda forgotten about for a while until Triumph dropped.

Boot Camp Click, Luniz, No Limit Records, Redman, Jeru, Outkast, Scarface, De La, The Roots, Common, etc...were great artists making great music, but their actual popularity wasn't close to Big and Pac at the time, on a worldwide level.

 

[Big Boss]

At the time of their deaths, Biggie was the biggest rapper on the East and Pac was the biggest rapper on the West, but they weren't head and shoulders above everyone else. Their beef really fueled their popularity. But they were without a question the biggest stars in their respective coasts.

There was no disputing that Biggie was the king of NY at his death. Nas a lot of hip hop heads were crying cause he changed his style on IWW. Revisionist history will have people think everyone loved IWW when it came out, they didn't. A lot of people thought Nas sold out

Pac was just the biggest star cause he was in a bunch of movies and always in the news for being shot, going to jail or in some controversy. Pac was bigger name then Biggie mainstream wise because of this.

The Fugees were huge but they weren't really considered a straight up rap group, more alternative. Bone Thugs were on Big and Pac's level as far as popularity but only for a 2 year span. Snoop was just as big as them, but he wasn't releasing much music cause of the trial, Jay was local, Cube had fallen off by then and was considered a sell out, Dre hadn't released an album in 4-5 years but he was still a huge name but not like he was in the early 90s. Wu was big but kinda forgotten about for a while until Triumph dropped.

Boot Camp Click, Luniz, No Limit Records, Redman, Jeru, Outkast, Scarface, De La, The Roots, Common, etc...were great artists making great music, but their actual popularity wasn't close to Big and Pac at the time, on a worldwide level.

for what?

 

[blackzeus]

When pac 1st debuted he was a nobody cuz Death certificate dropped a month before and that was the hottest album out at the time along with we can't be stopped by geto boys

Juice made pac more known that his music.Big was poppin from day one.Juicy got mad tick summer 94 and bigs debut album was highly anticipated

Big was the bigger star while alive(except for 96).Pac became bigger in death

You can't be serious

 

[blackzeus]

not at all, but carry on.

Pac was in movies, constantly covered by the news, tv shows, he sparked discussion cuz of his competing messages, etc. his first album didn't make him a star, no, but by the time I get around and keep your head up dropped, he was a superstar. Big definitely hit the scene hard, but a mtume sample and a coast dying for a new megastar helped.

Pac on SNL, hangin' out with Alanis Morrisette and Versace, but Biggie was the bigger star If you look at the Death Roy Party lists you see random rock stars and sh*t hangin' out because of Pac. Pac in jail gettin' letters from other actors. That's like saying Ray Liotta is a bigger star than Deniro

 

[blackzeus]

What is so funny is you dudes are trying to hard troll.
Pac was the bigger artist.

Honestly speaking, the only nikka that irks the Coli more than Kobe is Pac. "Nikkas doin' nikkaz worse than the Klan"

 

[blackzeus]

Truth hurts don't it?

Your god wasn't revered until he caught them slugs in vegas.Keep thinking he ran hip hop

A nikka's whole campaign was based on Pac's lyrics, politicians ain't give a f*ck about a Big Poppa Mobb Deep thought the same thing before they got ran out of Atlanta with one phone call :

 

[blackzeus]

That is absolutely not true.

 

[blackzeus]

crucial conflict tho? did "final tic" even crack a millie yet? how the hell were they outselling pac & big?



im in agreement that pac & big were immortalized after death, but some of yall just in here boosting yall favorites.


i'll let you have that regionally. but nationally, eazy is debatable, but pac was bigger than cypress hill.

from the east, all you have is onyx and maybe naughty by nature.



meh, lets not disrespect 2pac by comparing him to kanye west.

they stood out as the 2 figureheads on the east & west, but they weren't the flat-out faces of hip-hop.
-bone thugs, wutang, snoop, dre and nas. they were all in the same boat as pac & biggie.
-east coast-wise, you also had acts like BCC & mobb deep that were on the same tier as biggie regionally. jay-z was on the rise. AZ was too.
-commercially, the fugees & coolio were up there as well.
-LL cool j had a huge run off mr smith. he kinda fits into all 3 of the previous categories.

The Score dropped in '96, I don't know why people keep mentioning the Fugees being as big/bigger than Pac. I remember Bone, Fugees becoming big after Pac died. There was only one group that had a following like Pac's, and that was Wu-Tang. Snoop wasn't Pac, Pac outshined him before and when he went to Death Row. However in '93-94 Snoop was huge. LL was cool but wasn't nobody rockin' with LL like that.

 

[blackzeus]

How was Pac bigger than cypress hill when they had a monster hit & were on rock tours being straight gangsta rappers and going triple plat pac couldn't even go plat with his struggle commercial singles. stop it. fucc you mean regionally? Only the biggest WC artists got play nationally people across the nation back then were into their own regions music, i was doing you a favor without bringing up the east, when you factor in wu-tang & tribe pac would not even get into the top 10.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

lol. for starters, youre putting a lot of words in my mouth. I didn't even say most of the stuff that youre trying to argue with me about.for the record, im in agreement that pac & big's legacies were taken to ridiculous heights after they died. but some of yall are being just as ridiculous, just on the opposite end of the spectrum.I never said pac was some underground sensation. but for the record, I should point out that the wutang clan weren't some underground sensation either. them dudes had their own primetime mtv special before their record actually started selling.you were claiming that wutang was bigger than pac coming out of '93. and I just pointed out that they weren't.I

Saying Tupac was not top 5 most hottest artists on the westcoast before the NY controversies is not ridiculous, it's backed up by statistics. The only thing making Cypress Hill being bigger than Pac in 93 debateable is you're subjectivity and fetish for letting us know what's ''hot in the streets''. It's you're entire steez as a poster.

Follow the conversation fakkit, we're talking about Pac before he was blessed with bullets in his nutsack.