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Old heads, what was big and pac's presence in the music scene like when they were alive?
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2Pac wasn't shyt until "Dear Mama" and then getting down with the "It Crew". Biggie had a bigger impact and presence than 2Pac as well, his record sales, outside of his singles weren't that great. This is when New Yorkers was like every nikka in Cali got a whip, nikkas in NY ride the bus and trains so they don't records.
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
Gotta disagree on one thing... BONE was fukkin enormous. Thuggish Ruggish was big as fukk and "Crossroads" rmx may be the biggest rap song ever. When AEOM came out Pac was the biggest name in rap.
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
bone thugs was more popular than wutang. both groups were right up there with pac/big and death row/bad boy.
the fugees sold more albums than everybody in '96, and they were huge thru the entire year. it dropped at the very top of the year, right along with pac's AEOM. but they don't really count tho. they were bigger in r&b than they were in hip-hop.
LL had a huge run with mr smith. you cant say that people didn't rock with him like that.......but he wasn't seen as a contender anymore tho. I must admit.
Re-read my posts.
Thanks for proving my point though. Like i said even with much bigger hits he couldn't even move half the album units of his peers which proves people knew Pac they just weren't checking for his music like that
god shamgod
Veteran
nikkas don't give a fukk about pac hangin with crackas on snl.
In 1994 pac was a known rapper just like spice 1 was.Big had the most anticipated album of the year with illmatic
In 1994 pac was a known rapper just like spice 1 was.Big had the most anticipated album of the year with illmatic
LL was cool, but Pac and Biggie were bigger than life, as was Wu-Tang. Had nikkas all the way out in Japan rockin' snow goggles to the side in summertime. Dem nikkaz had movements, like Dipset/Rocafella/Ruff Ryders, LL never had a movement like that, and neither did Bone, as much as I love their music.
Re-read my posts.
You said and I quote "struggle singles". Please explain how one being a gold single and the other being a plat single is strugglin'?
"Haters come in all colors even blue, tryna to f*ck your woman, and even you, now what the f*ck would you do" 
So what do you do in your free time b, divide and conquer projects for the CIA? 
Homeboy Runny-Ray
From Around The Way
nah. bone thugs' popularity was enourmous as @intelectual recipricol said. they were slightly more popular than wutang, at least in America, which is all that really matters.
pac & big were not bigger than life. that's what a lot of us are saying here. like homie said, when they died, they were the 2 biggest stars of their respective coasts AT THE MOMENT. anything more than that is over-sensationalized propaganda.
LL already had his time as THEE GUY. his angle by that point was that he was the only '80s dude still rockin at a high level. plus, he had the most jams at the time. mr smith was the tape that you threw on at a party or if you were chillin with some jawns. nobody was messin with LL in that lane.
biggie never had more impact or presence than 2pac. never.
all my grandparents knew who 2pac was by '93-94 and middle-aged white folks knew him as 2pack. biggie is just puffy's guy who allegedly died because of the pac beef.
lets be really real.
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I acknowledged the success of his singles in previous posts before that post, like i said follow the conversation. I said and i quote ''struggle commercial singles'' in the context that songs like i get around were blatant attempts at airplay while his contemporaries(such as cypress hill who i was using as an example in that post) were getting more airplay without having to resort to that.You said and I quote "struggle singles". Please explain how one being a gold single and the other being a plat single is strugglin'?
god shamgod
Veteran
Stans in here overrating pacs music presence.Getting letters from fellow actors has nothin to do with his presence musically in HIP HOP
From 91-94 pac was another rapper.The shooting in new york,goin to jail,dear mama/me against the world,signing to death row and getting released,the bad boy beef then dying all happened in less than a 2 year span and is what elevated him to a controversial superstar.Before those events that nikka wasn't a bigger music presence than LL,Cube or Scarface
From 91-94 pac was another rapper.The shooting in new york,goin to jail,dear mama/me against the world,signing to death row and getting released,the bad boy beef then dying all happened in less than a 2 year span and is what elevated him to a controversial superstar.Before those events that nikka wasn't a bigger music presence than LL,Cube or Scarface
Keep Ya Head Up on an album called "Strictly 4 My nikkaz" is a blatant attempt at airplay?
F*ck outta here alphabet boy
Depreciating Asset
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You can probably read these posts and get a decent sense of Big's presence but there is just no way to explain 2PAc.
There has been no rapper personality anything like him since. To the OP he is like nothing you have seen and nothing you will probably ever see. He's just too complex. I know this sounds like bullsh!t but it's true.
Pac's career had at least 3 different phases so he had a different presence in the music scene in each phase. He was about to enter a 4th phase when he was killed. If you listen to Makaveli and Makaveli 2, he was on some other shyt.
No other rapper inspired his fans like Pac, even Nas. It was just different.
There has been no rapper personality anything like him since. To the OP he is like nothing you have seen and nothing you will probably ever see. He's just too complex. I know this sounds like bullsh!t but it's true.
Pac's career had at least 3 different phases so he had a different presence in the music scene in each phase. He was about to enter a 4th phase when he was killed. If you listen to Makaveli and Makaveli 2, he was on some other shyt.
No other rapper inspired his fans like Pac, even Nas. It was just different.
Lewis Black
Superstar
Keep Ya Head Up on an album called "Strictly 4 My nikkaz" is a blatant attempt at airplay?
leave him dogg, he a young mexican immigrant, dude werent even in america when shyt was poppin man lol
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
LMAO @ a anticipated album going quadruple plastic. Wasnt nobody checkin for no damn illmatic. S4MN & TLVol1 were MUCH BIGGER than illmatic.