Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

fukk no!

 

[Ty-Fife]

fukk no!

The only wrong part of this is that Randle isn't included tbh and I love Frank

 

[ISO]

fukk no!

Meh, Payton and Portis who don't have a future on this team. The busts and some second rounders.

If we're going to trade for CP3, Randle has to be included.

 

[RickyGQ]

 

[Derek Lee]

Gonna need more reliable news breakers than Legion Sports and Scoop B.

 

[Ironman]

Gonna need more reliable news breakers than Legion Sports and Scoop B.

Mofukkas would really rush to get CP3 here for him to get a torn hamstring the first game

 

[storyteller]

I like him as a prospect, just not sure at what point I'd risk a pick on him over other options that I feel are less boom or bust.

 

[storyteller]

fukk no!

Much as I personally think of Frank, I feel like that offer could be beaten by a GM who thinks CP3 is the missing piece to a chip and is armed with late first rounders to give away.

 

[JMurder]

I get what you are saying but Thibs is the HC. That has repercussions like we probably aren’t looking for a stretch 4.

I'm not trying to hear that and Thibs has already claimed to understand how the game has evolved. Assuming that's what he's told the front office, I don't give two fukks about Thibs being the head coach in terms of roster construction. Mitch needs to be next to a stretch 4 PERIOD

In theory maybe Horford and Mitch could work, they don’t us usually operate in the same spots offensively.

in theory Randle works next to Mitch too

Also Thibs like Big front courts. I don’t think they want a Stretch 4. He has historically gone with Taj Gibson as his 4 (on all his teams.....) and players with more offensive skill like Noah, and Kat at center. In theory Mitch would take the Taj role in the offense and he would leave the scoring from the elbow that KAT and Noah did to Horford. Mitch could rebound and has the speed to guard almost all PF’s Even on the perimeter so Horford would be the center in the system. We would be slaughtered by teams with strong bigs but that’s only a handful of teams.

PG - ?
SG - RJ
SF - ?
PF - Mitch
C - Horford

There's no scenario where both Mitch and Horford starts that I'm comfortable with. Put a team in the floor that makes sense. That should be priority

 

[JMurder]

He'd help the players for sure, but I don't think he's covering the types of needs this roster has to immediately push for a playoff spot. CP3 might not even be that, but it's easier to see how his playmaking could accelerate everybody (especially assuming a stretch 4 is added). With Horford, I'd still want to see the primary ball handler spot addressed before projecting his impact on the win/loss record. Generally, I've thought he was on the verge of done for a couple of years now so the Philly debacle looks like legitimate decline to me.

I'm not really opposed to taking him on though. I like the slow and steady thing with how depth can be built. I just think the Knicks future stays a question mark until they get a quarterback that can play to everyone else's strengths. Horford's passing plus a good PG draft pick though...that could be interesting. LaMelo of course but also Killian, Kira or Cole would be hella interesting having Horford's passing ability and IQ to work off of. It could ease their transition.

Horford can't be a positive piece on the floor next to Embiid....when he looks good it's when he's the only big on the floor. It's not decline we have to worry about with Horford...it's fit

 

[JMurder]

fukk no!

We not even giving up Randle in this trade? Why Frank and not Dennis? If this trade goes through I'm gonna be upset

 

[JMurder]

Much as I personally think of Frank, I feel like that offer could be beaten by a GM who thinks CP3 is the missing piece to a chip and is armed with late first rounders to give away.

I agree...I just don't think GM's will be allowed to make an offer unless they're decreasing their cap space. How many good teams would be able to do that and remain a championship level team?

 

[storyteller]

Horford can't be a positive piece on the floor next to Embiid....when he looks good it's when he's the only big on the floor. It's not decline we have to worry about with Horford...it's fit

I def agree about the fit with Mitch being rough. I think at this point in his career, you do five mins of Horford and Mitch to start each half but otherwise, you let them split the rest of the game. Mitch is still figuring out foul trouble anyway and Al's minutes can be wound back as he ages. He's just really expensive for the kind of role that we know will gradually be reduced. But I think that could translate to demanding a lot of assets.

 

[JMurder]

hopefully that means that trade proposal is fake but it doesn't close the door on a potential agreement

 

[JMurder]