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With a shytty roster makeup. Gave up on the coach after 22 games. I've said it before, New York City doesn't have the patience for a full rebuild.
it was clear yesterday the team give up on the coach, and at the same time, realized that they just aren't talented enough to compete.
shyt has to go perfect for them to have a chance.
we showed heart and competed in about 80 percent of our games, had double digit leads, lost close games and shyt. that takes a lot out of you.
i understand why fiz got fired, and mayb a new coach will spark something for a few games, but at the end of da day this team is trash
 

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i was told that fizz is the problem so with him gone everything should be okay now right?

I fully expect our perimeter defense to improve, since Fizdale apparently thought it was 1989, guarding the paint like Olajuwon and Malone were out there. That being said, our roster is trash as well, but last I checked it was a lot easier to fire one guy instead of an entire team.
 
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For what? To fukk up the development of the young guys we already have? Nah, I'm out on that. Look, I'm fine with firing Mills and Perry. There's a reason things happen in this way, and that's because it's easier to cover the coaching position and mitigate the bad coaching that's already happened vs covering the GM position when December 15 is in 9 days. Be patient...either the Knicks continue sucking and the FO gets canned or the Knicks play better by way of better coaching. Either way this is trending upwards.

Question: Do y'all think this is the worst Knicks team in franchise history?
No but it's one of the worst coached ones
Might have been better if the team had better fits but there is still no excuse for leading the team to the worst start in franchise history
 
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I fully expect our perimeter defense to improve, since Fizdale apparently thought it was 1989, guarding the paint like Olajuwon and Malone were out there. That being said, our roster is trash as well, but last I checked it was a lot easier to fire one guy instead of an entire team.
our defense was very solid early on.
 

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I fully expect our perimeter defense to improve, since Fizdale apparently thought it was 1989, guarding the paint like Olajuwon and Malone were out there. That being said, our roster is trash as well, but last I checked it was a lot easier to fire one guy instead of an entire team.
You know what's crazy, though?

The uncontested 3 pointer problem has been a problem for a fukking minute...way before Fiz. As a matter of fact, I remember being confident that our perimeter defense would be way better. But, amazingly, it has looked the same way since Woodson left.

 

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our defense was very solid early on.

And they are often solid early on in games, but there are 82 games and 4 quarters in each..,and keeping a team focused and disciplined is absolutely an essential part of a head coach’s job.
 
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You know what's crazy, though?

The uncontested 3 pointer problem has been a problem for a fukking minute...way before Fiz. As a matter of fact, I remember being confident that our perimeter defense would be way better. But, amazingly, it has looked the same way since Woodson left.
Either it's coming from the FO or there is someone on the coaching staff who's firing has been long over due
 

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I thought the Knicks were gonna wait til after the Pacers game to do this, but either way I didn't see him making it to the West Coast. A lot of us didn't think he'd make it to the new year anyway.

Fizdale's demise here is gonna be why guys will stay away from this job. His record was what, 21-83? The Knicks took a guy with a good reputation, years of winning in Miami as an assistant, did a good job to the point where everyone felt he got railroaded by Marc Gasol in Memphis when he got fired and was universally praised when he got hired by NY, and now got his resume looking terrible. When you ask someone to take this job, wins and losses, you throw it out the window. Their record can be this and I woulda said keep him as long as the players showed signs. They didn't let him go because the team looks the way it does. They got rid of him because the record sucks. Mills and Perry aren't connecting with the objective of this team. The Hawks have a trash record too, but their coach isn't getting fired. Why? Because at least the youngins are playing and there's no expectations other than being a fun team that's growing. The Knicks are seemingly doing everything they can not to give people a heavy heavy dose of Robinson/Knox/Morris/Barrett/Ntilkina. That's a huge problem. On top of that, they're not developing. I've seen a couple of G League games and Iggy Brazdeikis is learning more there than up with the big boy ballclub. That's a fact. So Fizdale deserved to go, but the team is diseased and continue to prove that they're so resistant on actually rebuilding.


The team stopped playing for Fizdale because his system sucked. He's so paranoid about guarding the paint that it leads teams to have a field day from the perimeter. A real team shot 21-39 from 3 last night. Do that in a 2K game. They signed a bunch of 4's and a bunch of shooters yet don't let that rock fly. Randle gets used like a superstar which is just terrible, but a lot of that is Mills and Perry trying to justify his existence. They have to move him the first chance they get because what's happening now is that Knox feels like he ain't shyt. When Payton played, Frank felt like he wasn't shyt. Those kids gotta play. Here, Westchester, Antarctica, but play. This franchise doesn't get that because they don't think y'all can handle a rebuild. Mills and Perry don't know y'all. Y'all will dikkride anything, so why would y'all object to a young and fun team that will naturally lose? Iggy makes 3 3's he'll get Iggy chants at MSG. Jeremy Lin had 2 hot weeks and y'all threw Melo in the bushes. Point is, if the kids play with effort and show signs of growth, you'll rock with it as long as there's an upward trajectory. Mills and Perry are very short sighted in that regard.

Lastly, Mills is unqualified for basketball related work. I'd hire @Houston911 as a Euro scout before I let Mills handle basketball shyt. Let Herb do that. Let Allan Houston be GM. Y'all got hungry people in Westchester hoping for a look, but Mills and Perry think y'all would scoff at the hire. Meanwhile, Kenny Atkinson (former Knick asst) is doing well in BK, Steve Clifford is getting good results in Orlando and Michael Malone waxed y'all by 37.

Hire Mike Miller as the interim. See what happens. I'd stay away from the college route and if Miller ain't the guy, hire someone who has a good track record at player development. They're out there. I'll suggest more names later. Another possible candidate: David Vanterpol. Becky Hammon. Someone fresh. At this rate though, the Knicks don't seem to wanna really start the process right.
Didn't he get fired from Memphis when he started 7-12 after making it to the Western convergence finals?

Anyway, with Fizdale gone let's analyze what the plan appears to be. No need to jump the gun on what we believe the plan is when we will be able to see it for ourselves
 
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I thought the Knicks were gonna wait til after the Pacers game to do this, but either way I didn't see him making it to the West Coast. A lot of us didn't think he'd make it to the new year anyway.

Fizdale's demise here is gonna be why guys will stay away from this job. His record was what, 21-83? The Knicks took a guy with a good reputation, years of winning in Miami as an assistant, did a good job to the point where everyone felt he got railroaded by Marc Gasol in Memphis when he got fired and was universally praised when he got hired by NY, and now got his resume looking terrible. When you ask someone to take this job, wins and losses, you throw it out the window. Their record can be this and I woulda said keep him as long as the players showed signs. They didn't let him go because the team looks the way it does. They got rid of him because the record sucks. Mills and Perry aren't connecting with the objective of this team. The Hawks have a trash record too, but their coach isn't getting fired. Why? Because at least the youngins are playing and there's no expectations other than being a fun team that's growing. The Knicks are seemingly doing everything they can not to give people a heavy heavy dose of Robinson/Knox/Morris/Barrett/Ntilkina. That's a huge problem. On top of that, they're not developing. I've seen a couple of G League games and Iggy Brazdeikis is learning more there than up with the big boy ballclub. That's a fact. So Fizdale deserved to go, but the team is diseased and continue to prove that they're so resistant on actually rebuilding.


The team stopped playing for Fizdale because his system sucked. He's so paranoid about guarding the paint that it leads teams to have a field day from the perimeter. A real team shot 21-39 from 3 last night. Do that in a 2K game. They signed a bunch of 4's and a bunch of shooters yet don't let that rock fly. Randle gets used like a superstar which is just terrible, but a lot of that is Mills and Perry trying to justify his existence. They have to move him the first chance they get because what's happening now is that Knox feels like he ain't shyt. When Payton played, Frank felt like he wasn't shyt. Those kids gotta play. Here, Westchester, Antarctica, but play. This franchise doesn't get that because they don't think y'all can handle a rebuild. Mills and Perry don't know y'all. Y'all will dikkride anything, so why would y'all object to a young and fun team that will naturally lose? Iggy makes 3 3's he'll get Iggy chants at MSG. Jeremy Lin had 2 hot weeks and y'all threw Melo in the bushes. Point is, if the kids play with effort and show signs of growth, you'll rock with it as long as there's an upward trajectory. Mills and Perry are very short sighted in that regard.

Lastly, Mills is unqualified for basketball related work. I'd hire @Houston911 as a Euro scout before I let Mills handle basketball shyt. Let Herb do that. Let Allan Houston be GM. Y'all got hungry people in Westchester hoping for a look, but Mills and Perry think y'all would scoff at the hire. Meanwhile, Kenny Atkinson (former Knick asst) is doing well in BK, Steve Clifford is getting good results in Orlando and Michael Malone waxed y'all by 37.

Hire Mike Miller as the interim. See what happens. I'd stay away from the college route and if Miller ain't the guy, hire someone who has a good track record at player development. They're out there. I'll suggest more names later. Another possible candidate: David Vanterpol. Becky Hammon. Someone fresh. At this rate though, the Knicks don't seem to wanna really start the process right.

The last part of this post is actually really depressing, Mills and Perry won't make any of the right moves because they're too concerned with perception and don't truly understand the fanbase, it makes it sound like there's no hope for the Knicks to turn things around as long as those two are employed.
 

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Fiz gonna be straight... He gonna be paid to stay home and lay up with this....

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Question: Do y'all think this is the worst Knicks team in franchise history?

On paper yes, but I have to consider talent pool and expectations...which means the 2005-2006 team is still the worst I’ve seen.
 

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i was told that fizz is the problem so with him gone everything should be okay now right?

I believe you were told that Fizdale was the biggest problem...not the only problem. Hopefully, there is a coach still employed by us that can do what Fizdale didn't but if there isn't, then we're in for a long season
 
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