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[seemorecizzy]

you are defending steve mills and his decisions as we speak

@JMurder

this is not to run an organization professionally

 

[JMurder]

i dont know or care who got fired after 4 games
im talking about us
all da other coaches that spoke on our situation are saying the same thing.
i dont understand why its so hard for you to see it.
we are fresh off of bringing in hornacek and forcing him to run an offense he didnt wanna run.

So a) You're drawing up narratives about us based on your feelings, b) you're unable to understand that NBA coaches are always gonna have each others backs, c) are able to understand the nuance of having a coach being forced to run schemes he doesn't want to run but are unable to understand a coach with free reign being able to develop a competent working scheme using a roster containing players he's coached for a full season already.

 

[seemorecizzy]

stay clownin my guy
whatever works for you

 

[JMurder]

you are defending steve mills and his decisions as we speak

@JMurder

this is not to run an organization professionally

I did? Where? Didn't they hire Fizdale in the first place? Didn't they sign Julius Randle to a 19m a year contract? Where am I defending Steve Mills? You got so many narratives that conflict with each other it's not even funny.

I'm defending Steve Mills who hired Fizdale in the first place. I'm riding for Miller who is probably gonna be replaced by Steve Mills in the first place. I have unrealistic high expectations for a team who has lost more games than they've won under Miller. Make all these narratives make sense together for me

 

[seemorecizzy]

So a) You're drawing up narratives about us based on your feelings, b) you're unable to understand that NBA coaches are always gonna have each others backs, c) are able to understand the nuance of having a coach being forced to run schemes he doesn't want to run but are unable to understand a coach with free reign being able to develop a competent working scheme using a roster containing players he's coached for a full season already.

fizdale wasnt fired because he didnt run the offense that you wanted him to run. he was fired because mills promised dolan a better team (record wise) and when he was confronted about it, blamed it on the coach.

fiz was fired to buy mills more time. steve mills and dolan dont know or give a shyt about what the team is runnin.like, you cant possibly think this

if he fizz was running what mike miller was runnin now, he would of still be fired. you just dont get it.

and no, coaches dont go to bat for every fired coach. they say something about it when there's some obvious bullshyt going on

 

[seemorecizzy]

I did? Where? Didn't they hire Fizdale in the first place? Didn't they sign Julius Randle to a 19m a year contract? Where am I defending Steve Mills? You got so many narratives that conflict with each other it's not even funny.

I'm defending Steve Mills who hired Fizdale in the first place. I'm riding for Miller who is probably gonna be replaced by Steve Mills in the first place. I have unrealistic high expectations for a team who has lost more games than they've won under Miller. Make all these narratives make sense together for me

you are defending mills for firing fizdale when he did. im tellin you its bullshyt, you're saying you agree.

you are defending him

 

[JMurder]

fizdale wasnt fired because he didnt run the offense that you wanted him to run. he was fired because mills promised dolan a better team (record wise) and when he was confronted about it, blamed it on the coach.

fiz was fired to buy mills more time. steve mills and dolan dont know or give a shyt about what the team is runnin.like, you cant possibly think this

if he fizz was running what mike miller was runnin now, he would of still be fired. you just dont get it.

and no, coaches dont go to bat for every fired coach. they say something about it when there's some obvious bullshyt going on

1) I agree with you that that's probably why he was fired. My point remains...WHAT DOES IT MATTER? You want Fizdale to keep coaching, implementing coaching decisions that are NOT healthy for our young players. WE know that Fizdale was fired because Mills over-promised and under-delivered, what I'm saying is the caveat; Fizdale was a bad coach and deserved to be fired. Whether the promise was Mills swearing the Knicks were gonna be a winning team, a playoff team or that they were going to clearly be better than last season is immaterial. The fact that he couldn't decide on any schemes, he couldn't give the young kids a sense of consistency, AND that those things resulted in the Knicks trending downward is why he SHOULD have been fired. That's all that should matter to us. Your complaint about backroom bullshyt is something that you and me can never confirm, and never know...so let's not talk about it. The coach needed to be fired, and the front office needs to be fired.
2) Whether Mills and Dolan know or don't know how to run a team is immaterial, we should be pointing out hypocrisies when they exist. You still have never answered what Fizdale did well as a coach, and neither has anyone else. If you can answer that question, that's where the defense of Fizdale starts. Not joining in the media bullshyt and double standards
3) I don't know if he would (still be fired). Miller is two games below .500...if the Knicks take two of the next three, that's a clear improvement even to last year's team.

you are defending mills for firing fizdale when he did. im tellin you its bullshyt, you're saying you agree.

you are defending him

Defending the decision and defending the person is two different things. It's called being impartial. You've defended every single thing Fizdale has done, good, bad, or inconsequential and put all blame on Steve Mills. You have never had a single criticism of Fizdale. When the team is bad you blame Mills. When the team was good, you credited Fizdale. I have a far better track record of shytting on Frank in comparison. That should tell you something

 

[CantStop]

This is what Randle looks like with spacing and not having that autistic oaf Mitch clogging the lane

 

[seemorecizzy]

This is what Randle looks like with spacing and not autistic oaf like Mitch clogging the lane

 

[JMurder]

This is what Randle looks like with spacing and not having that autistic oaf Mitch clogging the lane

Get this bullshyt out of our thread

 

[seemorecizzy]

1) I agree with you that that's probably why he was fired. My point remains...WHAT DOES IT MATTER? You want Fizdale to keep coaching, implementing coaching decisions that are NOT healthy for our young players. WE know that Fizdale was fired because Mills over-promised and under-delivered, what I'm saying is the caveat; Fizdale was a bad coach and deserved to be fired. Whether the promise was Mills swearing the Knicks were gonna be a winning team, a playoff team or that they were going to clearly be better than last season is immaterial. The fact that he couldn't decide on any schemes, he couldn't give the young kids a sense of consistency, AND that those things resulted in the Knicks trending downward is why he SHOULD have been fired. That's all that should matter to us. Your complaint about backroom bullshyt is something that you and me can never confirm, and never know...so let's not talk about it. The coach needed to be fired, and the front office needs to be fired.
2) Whether Mills and Dolan know or don't know how to run a team is immaterial, we should be pointing out hypocrisies when they exist. You still have never answered what Fizdale did well as a coach, and neither has anyone else. If you can answer that question, that's where the defense of Fizdale starts. Not joining in the media bullshyt and double standards
3) I don't know if he would (still be fired). Miller is two games below .500...if the Knicks take two of the next three, that's a clear improvement even to last year's team.

Defending the decision and defending the person is two different things. It's called being impartial. You've defended every single thing Fizdale has done, good, bad, or inconsequential and put all blame on Steve Mills. You have never had a single criticism of Fizdale. When the team is bad you blame Mills. When the team was good, you credited Fizdale. I have a far better track record of shytting on Frank in comparison. That should tell you something

fiz was the coach last year when you fell in love with mitch trier knox dotson and so fourth over a 82 game period. you cant say after 20 games, and 8 additional players added to the team (to take away minutes from those previously mentioned players) that he was not healthy for our young players. not unbiasely atleast.

there wasnt enough time to assess that, and the roster changes naturally were gonna cause our young players to take a step back regardless of da coach.

i never said everything fiz does is correct lmao
i critcize him need be. but because the team sucks, and is unbalanced, i direct my rage to those who put the coach in this difficult position.

youll never hear me bash miller like that either despite the ass whippings. i cant expect the guy to perform miracles. he probably deserved a full training camp, but they just threw him into da mess

 

[JMurder]

fiz was the coach last year when you fell in love with mitch trier knox dotson and so fourth over a 82 game period. you cant say after 20 games, and 8 additional players added to the team (to take away minutes from those previously mentioned players) that he was not healthy for our young players. not unbiasely atleast.

I fell in love with Mitch before I ever saw Fizdale coach him so...there's that. I'm not in love with any of the other players you mentioned, but the next closest I would probably say I like behind Mitch is Dotson and that was also a result of what I saw from him beginning in Summer League. The head coach of that team was Mike Miller. Knox still is a work in progress and the progress he made under Fizdale is uncertain. He was force-fed minutes last season and hasn't made the leap offensively we all hoped he would to cover his defensive inefficiencies. I can't grade Fizdale with Knox because he tried to develop him. I can't think of anything he did on court to help him though. Trier was poor defensively last season and might be worse defensively this season. So that's two players I fell in love with under Mike Miller, one player I'm uncertain about under Fizdale, and one I feel got worse under him. Not good

there wasnt enough time to assess that, and the roster changes naturally were gonna cause our young players to take a step back regardless of da coach.

I can quickly and correctly assess that a team who's best young player requires shooters to be around him, probably shouldn't start him next to RJ/Mitch (depending on your choice), Mook and Elfrid for a bunch of games. I can quickly and correctly assess that a team that is one of the youngest in the league shouldn't be switching defenses every other possession when half of those young pieces are defensively inadequate. Those two decisions do more to hurt our youth than anything else.

i never said everything fiz does is correct lmao
i critcize him need be. but because the team sucks, and is unbalanced, i direct my rage to those who put the coach in this difficult position.

youll never hear me bash miller like that either despite the ass whippings. i cant expect the guy to perform miracles. he probably deserved a full training camp, but they just threw him into da mess

I'm gonna have to go look for these criticisms you made of coach Fizdale

There's absolutely nothing wrong with bashing a coach for failing to meet a low standard. If you can't agree with that there's nothing to discuss. Not being able to tell whether you're going to win, be competitive, or get spanked regardless of who's on the other end of the court is an indictment of BOTH coaching and roster construction.

 

[ogc163]

Ya still arguing with the Dave East stan and the other dude allergic to caps? Ya gonna make them so aggy they gonna abandon ship like @Mr. Jack Napier who stay in this thread like a scorned ex b*tch.

Phil left a scar on these boys with his Melo trolling,that's root cause of these 3 trauma. It's ok guys he cant hurt you anymore.

 

[ISO]

i dont know or care who got fired after 4 games
im talking about us
all da other coaches that spoke on our situation are saying the same thing.
i dont understand why its so hard for you to see it.
we are fresh off of bringing in hornacek and forcing him to run an offense he didnt wanna run.

This nikka really brought up Earl fukking Watson

 

[JMurder]

This nikka really brought up Earl fukking Watson

Word. God forbid I bring up worse situations than ours