Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread
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Youhadasparkwhenustarted
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Knox is trending on twitter for the wrong reasons right now. He looks overmatched everytime he steps on the court. The Knicks need to send him to the g-league bad, breh need to find some confidence and gets some reps against some lesser players in the worst way.
Lurk Angle
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They need to trade these vets
But after that Knox needs to be sent down to weschester
So iggy and Lamar peters can get a shot
Both of them deserve it
If Knox does not show improvement then he should be let go
storyteller
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Just like with Frank, I'm preaching patience on Knox. You draft super young kids and you have to expect a long term development plan. Frank's getting out of the woods a decent amount, starting to flash more consistent finishing inside, knocking down midrange pull-ups and leading the team in FT percentage. But more importantly, you can see his confidence now. He doesn't shrink at misses or TO's like he used to.
With Knox, I'm hoping we see the same. His skillset may come around slowly but you can see some improvements defensively, ballhandling and awareness rise even now. When he's confident enough to just go for it, he'll start to figure out what works and doesn't work for his game more comfortably. That'll be easier to build on and he'll grow more quickly.
With RJ, the confidence part is there and you can see he's figured out some things. Recently, he's started taking the right side when it's given to him. Not always, but a lot more than early on. He doesn't pass up good looks even though his jumper is a work in progress. So I'm hopeful he'll get there faster than the other two and with a higher upside to boot.
More important than anything though, all three are workhorse types. I want those guys in the mix, growing together and pushing each other. I know it's frustrating but the payoff could be big because all our young work horses have complimentary skillsets. Frank/RJ/Knox/Mitch is a young core with complimentary skillsets as long as they build their tools up to a starter level.
With Knox, I'm hoping we see the same. His skillset may come around slowly but you can see some improvements defensively, ballhandling and awareness rise even now. When he's confident enough to just go for it, he'll start to figure out what works and doesn't work for his game more comfortably. That'll be easier to build on and he'll grow more quickly.
With RJ, the confidence part is there and you can see he's figured out some things. Recently, he's started taking the right side when it's given to him. Not always, but a lot more than early on. He doesn't pass up good looks even though his jumper is a work in progress. So I'm hopeful he'll get there faster than the other two and with a higher upside to boot.
More important than anything though, all three are workhorse types. I want those guys in the mix, growing together and pushing each other. I know it's frustrating but the payoff could be big because all our young work horses have complimentary skillsets. Frank/RJ/Knox/Mitch is a young core with complimentary skillsets as long as they build their tools up to a starter level.
There are big differences between Frank and Knox though. Knox is a lot more talented and Frank came over from France where playing completely different type of offense was drilled into him and suits him a lot better.
But the biggest difference is that Frank has always shown heart on the defensive end, which is frustrating on a different level (how do you have the dog in you on defense but are afraid on offense).
Knox on the other hand is a p*ssy in all facets of the game. He has never shown any heart or pride on either end of the floor. He's the guy that hangs his head and won't fight for a rebound just because it didn't go his way couple of plays in a row. He has never shown any fight or effort, he's like a long lost Ball brother
I'm the biggest advocate for patience and player development in this thread but I have no time for young players who show no effort, pride or heart. He's in his second year, relegated to 10 minutes a game, not a 10 year vet that's paid his dues.
I hope I'm wrong but it looks like the scouting reports of 'low motor' were 100% true. I hope there are examples of players with weak mentality that were able to be developed into successful players but even if it's possible I highly doubt we're the organization to do it.
But the biggest difference is that Frank has always shown heart on the defensive end, which is frustrating on a different level (how do you have the dog in you on defense but are afraid on offense).
Knox on the other hand is a p*ssy in all facets of the game. He has never shown any heart or pride on either end of the floor. He's the guy that hangs his head and won't fight for a rebound just because it didn't go his way couple of plays in a row. He has never shown any fight or effort, he's like a long lost Ball brother
I'm the biggest advocate for patience and player development in this thread but I have no time for young players who show no effort, pride or heart. He's in his second year, relegated to 10 minutes a game, not a 10 year vet that's paid his dues.
I hope I'm wrong but it looks like the scouting reports of 'low motor' were 100% true. I hope there are examples of players with weak mentality that were able to be developed into successful players but even if it's possible I highly doubt we're the organization to do it.
storyteller
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Lurk Angle
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Mills and Perry desperately trying to keep their jobs just like I thought
storyteller
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What's bugged out is they could dump a couple of these vets and call up the promising G-league guys. Iggy, Wooten and Peters are all balling. The 10-day contract window has begun. We could lose Wooten and Peters. Even if the Knicks got worse and looked sloppy, I think the vast majority of fans would be totally fine with it since this team is way too far behind to make any kinda run anyway. Just show development in the youth and we'd be fine.
Lurk Angle
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You know mills he's just trying to impress Dolan with some bs
Any smart front office would do everything you wrote
What I'm hoping for is that they trade to get some young role players with upside
Peter Popoff
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I feel like it's all a hoax and none of these teams are interested in anyone outside of Morris.
Pray for Masai. I don’t want Mills making anymore decisions.
storyteller
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It's possible, but whether they're floating the rumors themselves or the rumors are true, I intend to hold the front office to it. They got us expirings last year with a plan to get us some assets at the deadline. It didn't happen and that's cool...the expirings weren't very good (besides Vonleh who played well). But this is the second shot at it. They added options to the deals, got better players (still not particularly good but better) and floated a plan to get us some assets at the deadline. If they whiff again, after creating a gang of logjams, they need to be boo'ed constantly until Dolan drops 'em. It'd be two straight years of false promises.
I’m not reading too much into this, yet. You gotta hope they’re just looking for the best deals and when they don’t present themselves they decide to sell. I know the FO doesn’t deserve any credit for anything but they literally traded their star young player without anyone knowing about it. They’ve really been moving quietly so the fact that things are leaking makes me think that’s what they want out. (Problem is the things they’re letting out have been trash press conferences and stupid apologies).
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