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[Deep_Black_Conscious]

why do y'all keep saying trade Randle as if there's some demand for him?

randle needs to go for the sake of spacing and for mitch and rj's development
randle is in the way for mitch as they operate in the same areas and the offense running through randle with rj being regulated to the corner is fukking up rj's development
but honestly they will just run it through morris and still stick rj in the corner

 

[storyteller]

This is the future fam. These dudes are young as hell still, they've got plenty of growth to go. But they're running the most important play in the game pretty well for two young guns. I just don't think you trade one of them to bring in a guy that will block the other from starting any time soon. I'm definitely too high Mitch for that and still optimistic about Frank with the growth he's shown.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

This is the future fam. These dudes are young as hell still, they've got plenty of growth to go. But they're running the most important play in the game pretty well for two young guns. I just don't think you trade one of them to bring in a guy that will block the other from starting any time soon. I'm definitely too high Mitch for that and still optimistic about Frank with the growth he's shown.

Knicks FO and fans give up on players too easily
Just last season Frank was basura around here
As soon as the Knicks lose or a player struggles, you guys
become overly pesimmistic and have overly negative takes on everything

 

[storyteller]

Knicks FO and fans give up on players too easily
Just last season Frank was basura around here
Soon as the Knicks lose or a player struggles, you guys become overly pessimistic and
have overly negative takes on everything

That's why I'm cautiously optimistic on Knox and trying to get people ready for growing pains with RJ. Knox has made some improvements, even if they haven't translated to better numbers. The small improvements can add up over time and we're drafting these cats so young that there's plenty of time.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

That's why I'm cautiously optimistic on Knox and trying to get people ready for growing pains with RJ. Knox has made some improvements, even if they haven't translated to better numbers. The small improvements can add up over time and we're drafting these cats so young that there's plenty of time.

The thing about player development is it's not always in a straight line
ALOT of Knicks fans fail to understand that
One game a player is a stud and as soon as the Knicks lose or that player struggles for too long
they're basura
It's actually very funny to read the things people post when they are in meltdown mode
5 years is the timeline for a player's development from the start of their rookie season
If Knicks fans can't be patient, then dead all this talk about a youth movement and player development

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

It’s not ELITE. He’s a good passer. He’s not an elite passer. He has good vision. He doesn’t have elite vision. He’s not an elite shooter. Not an elite rebounder. He’s not an elite defender. However, he’s average to above average in all the attributes.

But he’s 19..... he’s 19

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Frank Driplikina

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

I disagree
So many people focus on athleticism as a determination of stardom and potential
How is DSJ doing?

That's not a good enough metric as you are oversimplifying what makes someone a superstar
Did Ingram look close to being a superstar star his rookie season or the season after that?

Many Lakers fans thought he was basura early on even though quiet a few saw his potential

You ignore
1) RJ's elite strength for his age
Whatever you don't see in his athletcism is made up by the sheer strength that he plays with
Do you see how strong he is now? Imagine when he hits peak strength
He is also above average athletically but you don't get to see it much because he is not strong enough despite being very strong for a 19 year old and more importantly, the spacing is complete shyt

He is not giannis or westbrook level but he is pretty athletic
I like how you ignored how he blew by an elite defender like PG multiple times in LA for example


2) His ability to get downhill is special
RJ has a great ability to drive to the basket downhill
The problem is he is not strong enough yet to finish at the rim with contact
The refs don't give him calls
When this kid fully grows into his body and can finish through contact, you're telling me
he won't be a monster driving to the rim?
The only way you would be able to stop him is to foul him

3) his bball iq
In the beginning of the season before Randle and Morris' ways rubbed off on him, RJ displayed exceptional bball IQ, playing team ball only to realize it's everyone for themselves
he learns very quickly

Really the only thing holding RJ back is his jumpshot
If he fixes that the sky is the limit for his ceiling

like I said if the ball was running through RJ like it does through Ja (and not Payton, Randle, Morris, etc.) and if the team was catered to his strengths (shooters everywhere), the narrative might be very different

But he’s 19..... he’s 19

Yes he's only 19 and will continue to grow and improve
There is also one thing I forgot to mention when I was talking about Barrett's ceiling...his stride length
There was a video somewhere that highlights it but I forget where
Barrett covers a lot of ground with his stride length but when he drives, he bumps off his defender instead of powering past them because he doesn't have the strength yet
This makes him look slow as hell when he drives
Once he has the strength, he will no longer bump off of people allowing his stride length to help him get to the rim and get by people
His stride length will also make him thrive in transition

Edit: Found the video

1:28-3:23



As mentioned in the video, the more spacing RJ has, the more he is able to take advantage of his stride length which will make him look more explosive

 

[RickyGQ]

If they are really going through with this and had sense they would
1) Trade randle and dsj
2) don't extend drummond for that cap relief

that's it

2nd half of the season should then focus on Frank/RJ/Bullock/Morris/Drummond w/ Mitch, Knox, Trier, Dotson, and Iggy off the bench

Run the offense through RJ and focus on the young guys

Drummond may be able to teach Mitch a thing or two and then let him bounce

but no this FO is always dumb and extra

I would do this. Again, only cause i want Randle gone that bad.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

I would do this. Again, only cause i want Randle gone that bad.

what if the knicks are stuck with randle?

 

[RickyGQ]

But he’s 19..... he’s 19

1) which means he’s not get much more athletic than this. Just doesn’t happen.
2) i may be wrong here but elite passing and vision is something you just have. All the elite passers in the league now came into the league that way. (LeBron, CP, Trae Young, Luka etc).
I’m having a hard time thinking of anyone who improved from a good to an elite passer.
I know RJ is young. And he’s absolutely going to improve. He’s gonna be a multiple all star in my opinion.

 

[RickyGQ]

what if the knicks are stuck with randle?

Then you have to trade Morris. We can’t keep both.

 

[Wargames]

1) which means he’s not get much more athletic than this. Just doesn’t happen.
2) i may be wrong here but elite passing and vision is something you just have. All the elite passers in the league now came into the league that way. (LeBron, CP, Trae Young, Luka etc).
I’m having a hard time thinking of anyone who improved from a good to an elite passer.
I know RJ is young. And he’s absolutely going to improve. He’s gonna be a multiple all star in my opinion.

nah bro players peak isn’t 19 but usually 25-28. This is after they spend years with professional trainers.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

1) which means he’s not get much more athletic than this. Just doesn’t happen.
2) i may be wrong here but elite passing and vision is something you just have. All the elite passers in the league now came into the league that way. (LeBron, CP, Trae Young, Luka etc).
I’m having a hard time thinking of anyone who improved from a good to an elite passer.
I know RJ is young. And he’s absolutely going to improve. He’s gonna be a multiple all star in my opinion.

did you watch full games of him when he was at duke (i'm not talking one or two games)?
if you watched a bunch of full duke games and think this then maybe I missed something

 

[Wargames]

Well done Detroit. You found the 1 Randle trade wouldnt do.

This sort of makes sense they’ve wanted Frank for a while plus Sekou plays for them and they share a manager. If both of them played in Detroit he could have influence on the franchise. With that said Frank has turned a corner and we really don’t need Drummond.