Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[K-ZOE]

D.Lo isn't a game changer at the ripe old age of 23 even tho he led BK to an above .500 regular season record and to the playoffs when they were expected to do nothing? Yeah. Ok.
The only deal breakers to me in the proposal I heard was with Mitch and a 1st rounder included. Flat out no on Mitch, but for this years Dallas 1st or a future 1st, that deal is done to me. Apart from Mitch and RJ, ANYBODY on this roster can go. Even RJ can go for the right price but as far as I know Memphis is keeping Ja, Trae staying in ATL, and Luka will probably retire a Mav.
D.Lo can't save this franchise by himself but a young all star PG is a great place to start.
For the love of God I hope they can get rid of Frank. Do yall not "hear" yourselves when you talk about the pieces that need to be added to make this dude a serviceable role player? "Oooh Frank with a scoring PG, rim protector, stretch Big, and a playmaking 3 will be so nice!!" Where tf besides this thread do you build around a role player? And to field such a team around him will take 3-4 years. He's not worth the wait. Bon voyage, mon ami!
Has Billy Hernangomez taught you nothing?? Kuzminskas? Being solid on the Knicks doesn't make you solid on any team in the league! Hernangomez isn't a rotation player and Kuz isn't even in the league.
FVV types scare me. For NY anyway. These kinda guys always come crashing back to earth when handed the reigns in NY and a fat contract. (See Chris Childs and Chris Duhon) I felt the same way about Dinwiddie, but he's proven to me this season he's real. I think good coaching, good system, and team culture made FVV what he is. If he came to this team today, he won't be what he is. Maybe after we get a new prez and focus on who to build around, but if we looking for a game changer FVV is definitely not it.

 

[ISO]

That's an interesting comparison for sure. I'd give LaMelo an edge over pre-draft Russell in ball handling and a slight edge at executing passes (but he takes enough risks where overall their passing is a wash). I want to say LaMelo's first step is better but it's not enough where I'd expect him to avoid the challenges D Lo dealt with, so that's a wash. I think the bigger gaps are definitely the shooting for Russell and the defensive upside for LaMelo. The extra height and an edge in lateral movement makes me think LaMelo could top out as a flat out good defensive player if he develops right. Russell always topped out as average at best to me.

Overall though, yeah I think LaMelo might wind up more worth the investment in the 5-10 range. It's always risky to pick guys that lack pop athletically and doing that for a guard with questionable shooting makes it doubly worrisome. I will add though that Spencer Pearlman's breakdowns have repeatedly mentioned LaMelo's shot selection and role as bailout option late in shot clocks has made his shooting look worse than it actually is. So if his jumper's upside is higher than the numbers suggest then his passing and handling would bump him up a tier (full disclosure, I haven't seen enough full games to speak on it).



I don't like paying players for what they might become. Especially not paying a guy franchise star salary who isn't even good enough to be the second best player on a championship team yet. It has all the makings of a treadmill move to me unless this year's draft gives us a real franchise star or RJ becomes one.

This is the 2020 NBA thats how much guys get paid. It’s only natural that a guy putting up 24/6 at 23 years old will improve as he matures and reaches his physical prime. We need to put a winning product on the floor at least a “treadmill team” this playing for the lottery every year shyt ain’t it.

 

[Sinnerman]

Please don't trade Morris to the Clippers

 

[ISO]

Am i crazy for feeling like LaMelo is just D Lo without the shooting yet? It’s why I’m not CRAZY about drafting him top 3.

So you wouldn’t take a 6’7 D’Angelo Russell with a 6’10 wingspan with arguably better vision.

 

[storyteller]

This is the 2020 NBA thats how much guys get paid. It’s only natural that a guy putting up 24/6 at 23 years old will improve as he matures and reaches his physical prime. We need to put a winning product on the floor at least a “treadmill team” this playing for the lottery every year shyt ain’t it.

We can make the postseason without committing 30 million dollars to a guy who's one successful season was tying for the 7th seed in a conference where only 5 teams were any good . Top 10 in usage, nice numbers, worst team in the league, I'm not deading our rebuild efforts for him.

 

[RickyGQ]

D.Lo isn't a game changer at the ripe old age of 23 even tho he led BK to an above .500 regular season record and to the playoffs when they were expected to do nothing? Yeah. Ok.
The only deal breakers to me in the proposal I heard was with Mitch and a 1st rounder included. Flat out no on Mitch, but for this years Dallas 1st or a future 1st, that deal is done to me. Apart from Mitch and RJ, ANYBODY on this roster can go. Even RJ can go for the right price but as far as I know Memphis is keeping Ja, Trae staying in ATL, and Luka will probably retire a Mav.
D.Lo can't save this franchise by himself but a young all star PG is a great place to start.
For the love of God I hope they can get rid of Frank. Do yall not "hear" yourselves when you talk about the pieces that need to be added to make this dude a serviceable role player? "Oooh Frank with a scoring PG, rim protector, stretch Big, and a playmaking 3 will be so nice!!" Where tf besides this thread do you build around a role player? And to field such a team around him will take 3-4 years. He's not worth the wait. Bon voyage, mon ami!
Has Billy Hernangomez taught you nothing?? Kuzminskas? Being solid on the Knicks doesn't make you solid on any team in the league! Hernangomez isn't a rotation player and Kuz isn't even in the league.
FVV types scare me. For NY anyway. These kinda guys always come crashing back to earth when handed the reigns in NY and a fat contract. (See Chris Childs and Chris Duhon) I felt the same way about Dinwiddie, but he's proven to me this season he's real. I think good coaching, good system, and team culture made FVV what he is. If he came to this team today, he won't be what he is. Maybe after we get a new prez and focus on who to build around, but if we looking for a game changer FVV is definitely not it.

FVV was giving Steph fits (on both ends of the floor) in the nba finals. The hell are you talking about?


According to Twitter, Trier got traded. Apparently he’s leaking shyt to random knicks twitter guys so take it for what it’s worth.

 

[RickyGQ]

So you wouldn’t take a 6’7 D’Angelo Russell with a 6’10 wingspan with arguably better vision.

Not over Anthony Edwards, nope.

 

[ISO]

D.Lo isn't a game changer at the ripe old age of 23 even tho he led BK to an above .500 regular season record and to the playoffs when they were expected to do nothing? Yeah. Ok.
The only deal breakers to me in the proposal I heard was with Mitch and a 1st rounder included. Flat out no on Mitch, but for this years Dallas 1st or a future 1st, that deal is done to me. Apart from Mitch and RJ, ANYBODY on this roster can go. Even RJ can go for the right price but as far as I know Memphis is keeping Ja, Trae staying in ATL, and Luka will probably retire a Mav.
D.Lo can't save this franchise by himself but a young all star PG is a great place to start.
For the love of God I hope they can get rid of Frank. Do yall not "hear" yourselves when you talk about the pieces that need to be added to make this dude a serviceable role player? "Oooh Frank with a scoring PG, rim protector, stretch Big, and a playmaking 3 will be so nice!!" Where tf besides this thread do you build around a role player? And to field such a team around him will take 3-4 years. He's not worth the wait. Bon voyage, mon ami!
Has Billy Hernangomez taught you nothing?? Kuzminskas? Being solid on the Knicks doesn't make you solid on any team in the league! Hernangomez isn't a rotation player and Kuz isn't even in the league.
FVV types scare me. For NY anyway. These kinda guys always come crashing back to earth when handed the reigns in NY and a fat contract. (See Chris Childs and Chris Duhon) I felt the same way about Dinwiddie, but he's proven to me this season he's real. I think good coaching, good system, and team culture made FVV what he is. If he came to this team today, he won't be what he is. Maybe after we get a new prez and focus on who to build around, but if we looking for a game changer FVV is definitely not it.

VanVleet is better than Dinwiddie he’s the real deal. He’s going to get paid $20M per which is funny because posters in here talking about D’Angelo who is younger with a higher upside making $27M.

 

[who_better_than_me]

robinson?

 

[TOAD99]

robinson?

fukk no

Taj on the other hand

 

[ISO]

We can make the postseason without committing 30 million dollars to a guy who's one successful season was tying for the 7th seed in a conference where only 5 teams were any good . Top 10 in usage, nice numbers, worst team in the league, I'm not deading our rebuild efforts for him.

Any good point guard commands $20M at least. It’s not his fault he’s playing with a G-League supporting cast and what he did last season is to be commended not downplayed talking about seeding guys like LeVert and Dinwiddie missed a good amount of time and he still anchored that team on offense.

This “rebuilding plan” is leading us into the lottery and development hell. We need talent. We need a legit player to open up the floor for these young guys. We need to win games. We need to build a culture. No FA’s are joining an empty house.

 

[Derek Lee]

Steve Stoute

 

[seemorecizzy]

Steve Stoute

atleast steve stoute has real connections everywhere
mills tried to say he had connections and he lied, no one fukks with him

rose sonned him

 

[Cory MBA]

I hope its true to that we trade all of these old vets. Its better to lose hoping that the young boys grow up to be winners. But whatever at this point. Weird season.

 

[ISO]

For the love of god stop talking about busts like Ntilikina and Knox

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Id give up both Dallas firsts and one of our own (with light protections) for D'lo. Anybody other than Mitch and RJ on this team is whatever quite frankly. shyt if need be, include whatever we get from the clippers or the lakers for Morris in a three way deal for D'lo. We need somebody who's more than just a decent prospect for once.