Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[ISO]

Dotson is leaving this bullshyt

And he’s a pretty undervalued and under the radar player leaguewide

 

[nyknick]

We love to overrate our players but there's no reason to shed tears over Dotson either.

He's 26 years old and has been shooting 41% from the field last two seasons

 

[ISO]

We love to overrate our players but there's no reason to shed tears over Dotson either.

He's 26 years old and has been shooting 41% from the field last two seasons

Yes, Dotson is a replaceable player. U can find another Dotson and I fukk with dude.

 

[Wargames]

The only offseason move that makes any sense is throw the bag at BI and pray NO blinks. There is a chance they hesitate to Max him because everyone is about to lose a lot of money.



Honestly that would be the best the Knicks could move this year, possibly the best move they could make in a few seasons. next year I would then go after Kuzma.

Ball/Haliburton
RJ
BI
Kuzma
Mitch

The two 2021 rookies
Frank (on a cheap extension)
Knox

that team has a chance to make noise and trade pieces to go after someone like Booker or Mitchell......

 

[SNYC]

I see Donovan Mitchell coming here

And don't forget his other love......

Also:

Woodson 'ecstatic' about potential 2nd stint with Knicks

Is it going to be the return of......

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

People talking about Trier didn't do this Trier didn't do that they made this nikka a 15th man for no reason
It's not a good look after they gave him ample playing time the season before
Even if the criticisms are true, how can we know he improved if he barely played?

 

[Derek Lee]

Trier didn't help himself when it's been reported numerous times that his teammates hated playing with him and he's been caught liking tweets shytting on RJ. Probably deserved playing time during the latter part of the season, but I honestly don't give a shyt. Talented scorer, but offered nothing else. Good riddance.

 

[storyteller]

The only offseason move that makes any sense is throw the bag at BI and pray NO blinks. There is a chance they hesitate to Max him because everyone is about to lose a lot of money.



Honestly that would be the best the Knicks could move this year, possibly the best move they could make in a few seasons. next year I would then go after Kuzma.

Ball/Haliburton
RJ
BI
Kuzma
Mitch

The two 2021 rookies
Frank (on a cheap extension)
Knox

that team has a chance to make noise and trade pieces to go after someone like Booker......

That’s been my offseason start all along. Throw the bag at Ingram and then worry about everything else after. No one is so good that you don’t take the shot on Ingram. I’d test the waters on Harris, Wood, Gallo and Bertans to see what type of contracts it’d take to get them after. But I’m not overpaying anyone this offseason and the only guy I think warrants max attention is BI.

Only move you list that I wouldn’t co-sign is Kuzma, not really feeling his game.

Edit: I should mention that this assumes we're drafting a PG. Ball/Haliburton/Hayes/Lewis all work for me, I like this PG class.

 

[storyteller]

We love to overrate our players but there's no reason to shed tears over Dotson either.

He's 26 years old and has been shooting 41% from the field last two seasons

Nah, I'll fully concede that the reason I hate to see him go is moreso because he's a home grown player than anything else. He's useful for a bench and shouldn't be too expensive, but those aren't the guys you pay long term before you have your starters locked in. I acknowledge all that for sure. But he's been our guy through some of the messiest management I've ever seen. He dealt with 4 coaches in three years, minutes and role changing repeatedly; but dude showed up, put in work and can be a rotation player now. I appreciate him for that ish; plenty of players older then him asked out or complained.

 

[Daniel.]

People talking about Trier didn't do this Trier didn't do that they made this nikka a 15th man for no reason
It's not a good look after they gave him ample playing time the season before
Even if the criticisms are true, how can we know he improved if he barely played?

If he was worth it he would've been playing from where I sit. A team devoid of scorers not playing a guaranteed bucket says something to me.

Pinson might be trash, I don't have the slightest clue, but like dude said, I rather have a end of the bench player that's supporting the team than an end of the bench player being passive aggressive on IG.

If the intention is to keep RJ at the 2, he didn't have a future here anyway. Addition my subtraction. Reading up on his draft express, dude came into the league as a solid defender, so hopefully he can bring that value during practice.

It's time we start moving away from the Fantasy League model of thinking and recognize that not all 13 or 14 spots is going to have on court based value. Sometimes it's just a chemistry value add, or behind the scenes add.

Triers gone? Let Dot go next. All this trying to build competition and eat what you kill shyt hasn't worked. Invest in who you want to be here as your core and get complimentary pieces to help them get better.

Invest in RJ and Mitch as your future.

Do whatever it takes to get LaMelo as that third cog.

If Randle is here for at least another year, get some dog defenders and/or shooters that don't need the ball to be effective to lessen his room for error.

Go from there if the big trades can't happen (Mitchell, Booker).

If we let Taj(9.5 mil), Payton(8 mil), Portis(15.8 mil), Ellington(8 mil) and Bullock(4.2 mil) go, along with Trier(4.5 mil) leaving and Dotson(2 mil) walking, that's easily a cash savings of around 45-50 mil. Move DSJ and/or Knox for some future considerations and that's an additional 5-10 mil freed up.

With 55-60 mil, we can sign Bertans, Gallinari, Harris and Roberson to some deals to shore up our shooting and defense and run a core group of

Mitch/Bertans
Gallinari/Randle
Harris
RJ/Roberson
LaMelo/Frank

And plug in the bench with minimum contracts? That's a playoff team that compliments Mitch (bigs that can shoot, defensive guard play with Frank and Roberson, playmaking in LaMelo to push the pace in transition) RJ (space to drive and shooters to kick to, a ball handler that can push the pace, Frank/Roberson to help the defensive load)) and LaMelo (shooters all around, lob options, Frank/Roberson/Mitch to cover defensive gaps) , no worries about people fighting for touches and if Randle doesn't fall in line he's gone the following year.

It might like a crazy stretch from just one move, but a move like this says to me, HOPEFULLY, we're moving in a direction of clearing out gluts and working toward creating a team with complimentary identifiable pieces, not just hoarding talent and hoping they will fit together.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

If he was worth it he would've been playing from where I sit. A team devoid of scorers not playing a guaranteed bucket says something to me.

Pinson might be trash, I don't have the slightest clue, but like dude said, I rather have a end of the bench player that's supporting the team than an end of the bench player being passive aggressive on IG.

If the intention is to keep RJ at the 2, he didn't have a future here anyway. Addition my subtraction. Reading up on his draft express, dude came into the league as a solid defender, so hopefully he can bring that value during practice.

It's time we start moving away from the Fantasy League model of thinking and recognize that not all 13 or 14 spots is going to have on court based value. Sometimes it's just a chemistry value add, or behind the scenes add.

Triers gone? Let Dot go next. All this trying to build competition and eat what you kill shyt hasn't worked. Invest in who you want to be here as your core and get complimentary pieces to help them get better.

Invest in RJ and Mitch as your future.

Do whatever it takes to get LaMelo as that third cog.

If Randle is here for at least another year, get some dog defenders and/or shooters that don't need the ball to be effective to lessen his room for error.

Go from there if the big trades can't happen (Mitchell, Booker).

If we let Taj(9.5 mil), Payton(8 mil), Portis(15.8 mil), Ellington(8 mil) and Bullock(4.2 mil) go, along with Trier(4.5 mil) leaving and Dotson(2 mil) walking, that's easily a cash savings of around 45-50 mil. Move DSJ and/or Knox for some future considerations and that's an additional 5-10 mil freed up.

With 55-60 mil, we can sign Bertans, Gallinari, Harris and Roberson to some deals to shore up our shooting and defense and run a core group of

Mitch/Bertans
Randle/Gallinari
Harris
RJ/Roberson
LaMelo/Frank

And plug in the bench with minimum contracts? That's a playoff team that compliments Mitch (bigs that can shoot, defensive guard play with Frank and Roberson, playmaking in LaMelo) RJ (space to drive, a ball handler that can push the pace, Frank/Roberson to help the defensive load)) and LaMelo (shooters all around, lob options, Frank/Roberson/Mitch to cover defensive laps) , no worries about people fighting for touches and if Randle doesn't fall in line he's gone the following year.

It might like a crazy stretch from just one move, but a move like this says to me, HOPEFULLY, we're moving in a direction of clearing out gluts and working toward creating a team with complimentary identifiable pieces, not just hoarding talent and hoping they will fit together.

if Ellington, Portis, and Gibson can play, so can Trier.
I saw abysmal basketball from so called veterans who played zero defense
The whole team was terrible defensively so again there was really no excuse to not play Trier
it was all bullshyt

 

[Daniel.]

if Ellington, Portis, and Gibson can play, so can Trier.
I saw abysmal basketball from so called veterans who played zero defense
The whole team was terrible defensively so again there was really no excuse to not play Trier
it was all bullshyt

Gibson and Portis are bigs, so no real comparison there with limited options, they kind of had to play, irrespective of Trier getting minutes.

RJ, Dotson, Ellington, Bullock AND Frank, on the other hand, all had minutes at the 2 - Trier is in no way a 1 even though they even tried it to start the season for whatever the fukk reason. All except Ellington had defense on their side and Ellington had a reputation for being an oven shooter, so there was value in having someone to spread the floor.

Trier was the odd man out. Too short to be as effective at the 2, trash defense and sulking behind the scenes, behind a potential franchise rookie, an alleged elite shooter and 3 guys that could be relied on to play defense and knock down the 3.

Dude wasn't set up for success but it is what it is.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Gibson and Portis were bigs, so no real comparison there with limited options.

RJ, Dotson, Ellington, Bullock AND Frank, on the other hand, all had minutes at the 2 - Trier is in no way a 1 even though they even tried it to start the season for whatever the fukk reason. All except Ellington had defense on their side and Ellington had a reputation for being an oven shooter, so there was value in having someone to spread the floor.

Trier was the odd man out. Too short to be as effective at the 2, trash defense and sulking behind the scenes, behind a potential franchise rookie, an alleged elite shooter and 3 guys that could be relied on to play defense and knock down the 3.

Dude wasn't set up for success but it is what it is.

Bullock and Ellington were trash. Bullock started off ok but even he shot trash from 3
No one played defense so the Trier didn't play defense excuse doesn't work
Dotson was often injured and IMO is an average role player who also doesn't play defense
Frank plays defense but is limited offensively

 

[Daniel.]

Bullock and Ellington were trash. Bullock started off ok but even he shot trash from 3
No one played defense so the Trier didn't play defense excuse doesn't work
Dotson was often injured and IMO is an average role player who also doesn't play defense
Frank plays defense but is limited offensively

All that and he still couldn't crack the rotation.

I'm not really sure what you want me to say here bruh

I'm not disagreeing with you that the other guys in front of him weren't doing much better, I just don't care - he was an emotional, one dimensional chucker. Flawed just like the rest.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

All that and he still couldn't crack the rotation.

I'm not really sure what you want me to say here bruh

I'm not disagreeing with you that the other guys in front of him weren't doing much better, I just don't care - he was an emotional, one dimensional chucker. Flawed just like the rest.

still better than the rest who were playing ahead of him
like the ones playing ahead of him are not one dimensional
it didn't make sense but at least he's away from this mess of a franchise