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true, where lebron goes klutch goes.

i guess i'd worry less about this kind of influence if it meant we had the best player in the world on the team. but the knicks relationship with caa has never produced beneficial results on the court. anything but. hopefully their new FO hires influence some smart decisions and they prove me wrong.
Rob Pelinka was a agent , Myers from the warriors was a agent too . There is no real downside to having influence and connections with players outside of the normal channels something the Knicks haven’t had . Your acting like CAA is the worst connection to have . So far Rose moves have been putting good people in positions
 
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Rob Pelinka was a agent , Myers from the warriors was a agent too . There is no real downside to having influence and connections with players outside of the normal channels something the Knicks haven’t had . Your acting like CAA is the worst connection to have . So far Rose moves have been putting good people in positions

i didnt say it's the worst connection to have or imply it. im a little apprehensive about the knicks giving too much preferential treatment to an outside organization they already have had a very close connection with for years, and have nothing but losses to show for it.

@Wargames also already mentioned some disastrous moves in recent history that are traced directly to CAA.

like anything else in sports i'll have to wait and see on the results, but it's not some ridiculous concern.
 

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i didnt say it's the worst connection to have or imply it. im a little apprehensive about the knicks giving too much preferential treatment to an outside organization they already have had a very close connection with for years, and have nothing but losses to show for it.

@Wargames also already mentioned some disastrous moves in recent history that are traced directly to CAA.

like anything else in sports i'll have to wait and see on the results, but it's not some ridiculous concern.
Bargani is the only unforgivable move. We had success with melo and our best seasons in years . The real issue was we used the amnesty then once stat got hurt we were never going to be able to compete
 

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Alright yall, I'm finally feeling antsy about basketball again and figure I'll take a quick stab at offseason goals and strategy. With the lottery undecided and players still rocking; a lot is up in the air. So this is heavy speculation and this one is focused entirely on FA's which at least feel more realistic. I'm also trying to pick draft picks that being mocked consistently around our selection spot, so LaMelo Ball is the wishful scenario but I'm working with the sixth pick and he won't be there.

Anyway, let's start with the current roster. A lot of players are expiring or on options that I suspect we let go. Beyond those guys, I think Julius Randle will be shopped. There's a safe core of players, a group I think we're likely to give another year audition and then vets that I could see being brought back.

Safe core
:
RJ Barrett
Mitchell Robinson

Likely Keep:
Frank Ntilikina
Ignas Brazdeikis
Kenny Wooten
Kevin Knox

Vets:
Reggie Bullock
Taj Gibson

I'd also offer the 2 million dollar QO to Damyean Dotson. I'm not sure what the interest will be in him and I suspect we'll be drafting a wing plus I intend to sign one. But for this hypothetical set up, I'm making room for Dot as a third in line at both wing spots. So the team looks something like this until we add draft picks and FA's...

PG - Frank
SG - Bullock/Dot
SF - Barrett/Knox
PF - Wooten/Iggy
C - Mitch/Taj

The big needs are clear. We need starters for PG and PF; we could use more depth with big men and with our cap space a reliable starter at SG isn't a stretch. I'd like to add a couple of veteran starters to the unit who don't demand the ball and who stretch the floor. We'll be drafting a PG; so I'm taking the abundance of cap space and chasing proven vets at the wing and PF position. Joe Harris and Danilo Gallinari are my first two targets of the offseason. I'd hope to get them on 2 or 3 year deals and hopefully the limited market makes them affordable.

Why Harris and Gallo? Well Harris shot 6 threes a game at a 42% clip; Gallo attempted over 7 per game at a 41% clip. Neither player had crazy Usage either. Gallo barely beats RJ Barrett on usage for this past season and he produced a 19, 5 and 2 season. Harris is a decent defender and Gallo isn't a complete mess on that end. So now we'd be looking at:

Pg - Frank
SG - Harris/Bullock/Dot
SF - Barrett/Knox
PF - Gallo/Wooten/Iggy
C - Mitch/Taj

We still need a playmaker to put all these pieces together. If the Knicks win the draft lottery; that's no problem. LaMelo Ball is the answer. If they stay put or drop a little; they'll still be in pretty good shape though. After Ball, if we stood pat at 6 then the big names would be Hayes and Haliburton. Rumor has it that Hayes isn't as loved by NBA scouts as the internet scouts though and personally; I don't think the gap is big from Haliburton or Hayes to Lewis or Cole Anthony. So while it's a bit of a copout, my move with the 6th pick would be to look at trading down into the late lottery. I'll still get a PG and my preferred PG has been mocked as low as the late-teens.

So who's my guy? Well, I look at the unit I'm putting together and I think the biggest need is some speed. We have a wide open floor with a lot of size to boot. Kira Lewis' speed reminds me of Deaaron Fox on tape. I don't want to compare them top to bottom as players; but just explosive speed wise, Lewis changes the gamehow Fox used to. Lewis also has nice form and a pretty nice jumper; he projects to be a good shooter. Here's Spencer Pearlman's breakdown of the prospect:

Kira Lewis Scouting Report - The Stepien

What about the second pick? It's a lot harder to predict who will be there with that pick. I think you kinda have to take Jaden McDaniels if he's there like some mocks suggest. Tyler Bey would be another player I just don't pass on. But I kinda picture both guys getting grabbed too early for us. A really intriguing prospect is chilling right there though in Aleksi Pokusevski. He's a 7 foot PF; rail thin but with a game that looks the part of a wing. He's an absolute project, but that's fine. I think learning from Gallo and facing against Wooten every day would really boost him up and if he were to stay overseas to pack on muscle for the move; we could oblige that as well.

Aleksej Pokuševski Scouting Report - The Stepien

In the second round, I really want Cassius Stanley to reach the Knicks pick. If the Knicks could take a flier on a freak athlete with the upside of Stanley, I think they'd have to take it. That makes back to back boom or bust picks; but with a ton of young prospects already on the roster needing time...I like the idea of using these late picks on home run swings that we understand will need a year or two to develop. We're not in a rush.

So
Lewis/Frank
Harris/Bullock/Dot - Stanley in the G-League waiting
Barrett/Knox/Iggy
Gallo/Wooten/Pokusevski
Mitch/Taj

At this point, I want another C and a third PG. Neither of these have to be world beaters. I'd prefer a center that can steal Taj's minutes. My pick here would be Aron Baynes though I think he might have competition because dude is a really solid piece for any bench. Favors would be another interesting player to grab short term. At PG; how much do we trust Thibs? Because DJ Augustin knows the system, has succeeded in it and seems like a guy who is comfortable taking a backseat role but who can step up when needed. He'd make a solid mentor for Lewis and could offer some craftiness to Frank as well...plus Frank spends all practice chasing quick, shifty PG's aka his toughest challenges...but this only works if we trust Thibs not to throw development out the window for wins.

So this is an all FA and Draft pick line-up that I think could lives within the realm of possibility:

Lewis/Frank/Augustin
Harris/Bullock/Dotson
Barrett/Knox/Iggy
Gallo/Wooten/Pokusevski
Mitch/Baynes/Taj

I think that's a competitive squad out the gate. You wouldn't break the bank on anyone. The big contract vets would be guys that don't demand huge touches and that would leave Lewis and Barrett with plenty of opportunity to run the offense and develop. The bench also leaves plenty of touches for Frank and Knox with Bullock and Baynes as guiding vets. It's balanced and should the young guys make leaps then you've got a serious squad on your hands. If not; flexibility is maintained to move young guys that didn't work out and bring in more talent.

This also leaves out trade options. We've heard LaVine interest this week; Booker is constantly name dropped and it's a weird case where I don't see it happening but there's more smoke than I understand; and Victor Oladipo could quickly become a really interesting name in the conversation too. This offseason is gonna see cash strapped teams which could totally change how the market functions. So there's a lot to consider...but I think this is at least somewhat realistic. Sub Bertans for Gallo if the Thunder decide to pay him big.
 

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https://nypost.com/2020/07/26/tom-thibodeaus-relentlessness-led-to-knicks-dream-job/

Nice career profile here. It gets into Thibs' character and has quotes from players that worked with him (the work with Kobe in HS is a cool anecdote). Dude has a decades long track record and I think it's unfair to limit it down to what happened in Minnesota where they saw more success with him around then they had prior to or after his arrival. That's not to say he'll be great or anything; but he's got a legitimate chance to work out.
 

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https://nypost.com/2020/07/26/tom-thibodeaus-relentlessness-led-to-knicks-dream-job/

Nice career profile here. It gets into Thibs' character and has quotes from players that worked with him (the work with Kobe in HS is a cool anecdote). Dude has a decades long track record and I think it's unfair to limit it down to what happened in Minnesota where they saw more success with him around then they had prior to or after his arrival. That's not to say he'll be great or anything; but he's got a legitimate chance to work out.
Exactly . I feel like he’s being talked about as if he’s Derek fisher or something, I have no idea how it will turn out but like most coaches he will need pieces to make it work and hopefully RJ and the new pick and mitch are the focal points , with pfrank and Knox
 

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Been a while brehs... hope everyone is staying safe and healthy...

Not too bummed about the Thibs hire... i will be if we decide to sign a bunch of vets that don’t fit and don’t play the young guys...

I’m also leaning towards the idea that we won’t be able to move Randle as teams will be cash strapped next season.
I think I’m starting to lean back into Edwards in the draft and would LOVE to come away with a team that looks like:

Fred Van Vleet
Anthony Edwards
RJ Barrett
Christian Woods
Mitchell Robinson

then off the bench in this order:
Randle (back up center and just let him go off against other teams benches)
Frank
Knox
Dot
Iggy
Wooten
Taj
Draft Pick (Tre Jones?)
 

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If the bulls really want to trade LaVine / he really demands a trade

Part of me wants the Knicks to go for it...
even if we give up this years pick (maybe not if it’s the number 1) I don’t see any superstar talent and LaVine is young and on a cheap contract


PG: Frank/Payton/Harper
SG: LaVine/bullock/Dot
SF: RJ/Knox
PF: Ideally Bertans/Wooten/Iggy or Gallo/Wooten/iggy... most likely Taj/Wooten
C: Mitch/Taj

feels like frank can cover for Zach’s defense and he Zach’s offense makes up for frank’s

LaVine is a solid playmaker too, so between him and RJ we have two ball handlers

bertans to spread the floor.

I feel like the team would be fun and around the 7-8th seed, but all the chips would have to fall in place for that to happen
 

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If the bulls really want to trade LaVine / he really demands a trade

Part of me wants the Knicks to go for it...
even if we give up this years pick (maybe not if it’s the number 1) I don’t see any superstar talent and LaVine is young and on a cheap contract


PG: Frank/Payton/Harper
SG: LaVine/bullock/Dot
SF: RJ/Knox
PF: Ideally Bertans/Wooten/Iggy or Gallo/Wooten/iggy... most likely Taj/Wooten
C: Mitch/Taj

feels like frank can cover for Zach’s defense and he Zach’s offense makes up for frank’s

LaVine is a solid playmaker too, so between him and RJ we have two ball handlers

bertans to spread the floor.

I feel like the team would be fun and around the 7-8th seed, but all the chips would have to fall in place for that to happen
Yea, RJ and Frank would both cover Lavines defense.
Frank
Lavine
RJ
Knox
Mitch
 
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Been a while brehs... hope everyone is staying safe and healthy...

Not too bummed about the Thibs hire... i will be if we decide to sign a bunch of vets that don’t fit and don’t play the young guys...

I’m also leaning towards the idea that we won’t be able to move Randle as teams will be cash strapped next season.
I think I’m starting to lean back into Edwards in the draft and would LOVE to come away with a team that looks like:

Fred Van Vleet
Anthony Edwards
RJ Barrett
Christian Woods
Mitchell Robinson

then off the bench in this order:
Randle (back up center and just let him go off against other teams benches)
Frank
Knox
Dot
Iggy
Wooten
Taj
Draft Pick (Tre Jones?)
I think if the Knicks keep Miller and bring in Woodson, and make Woodson add some elements from offenses he has learned from coaches along with Miller's downhill offense, then a Edwards + RJ duo might work great under Thibs. Don't forget Mitch who might turn into a defensive monster under Thibs. The Knicks style should be defense first but play at a frenetic pace on offense, always going for fast breaks off misses, steals, etc..
 
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My COVID-19 test came back positive, so now I have to schedule another test after my quarantine because I can’t go back until I get a negative test. I’ll be home for another week because tests are backed up 5-6 business days. Good timing because I’ll catch the first week of the NBA restart and get paid for it.
 
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