tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Theo Maledon would be a nice PG for the Knicks but y'all are gonna be took scared to take another foreigner, let alone a Frenchman.
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Silky Johnson
The Master Investbreh
Don't disrespect those zbo knicks
We might not even make it to 25 wins with these mfers.
The War Report
NewNewYork
We’re better off tanking.
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
Frank looked good asf last night:
His handle and burst caught me off guard. He looked good operating in the pick and roll too, Fiz needs to do more of that and less of the hand-offs, or let Frank get some PnR opportunities after the hand-off if he's playing offball. Frank finally has a good enough handle and shot to do damage in a pick and roll now. I hope Frank keeps the starting spot, at the least Fiz should loosen the leash so Frank doesn't tense up and regress again.
His handle and burst caught me off guard. He looked good operating in the pick and roll too, Fiz needs to do more of that and less of the hand-offs, or let Frank get some PnR opportunities after the hand-off if he's playing offball. Frank finally has a good enough handle and shot to do damage in a pick and roll now. I hope Frank keeps the starting spot, at the least Fiz should loosen the leash so Frank doesn't tense up and regress again.
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Yaddam Yussein
All Star
Don’t think I can watch another game.
At least the Nets have Kyrie who’s entertaining as hell to watch.
At least the Nets have Kyrie who’s entertaining as hell to watch.
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
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Also, it might be an unpopular idea but I think the Knicks should experiment with Randle at C more. It's gonna be a bad defensive line up most likely, but the Knicks gotta find a way to get some spacing around him so he can actually generate some offense. In theory Portis at the 5 should be working better but he's not knocking down shots at a high enough clip to effectively stretch the floor. Some better spacing would let the pick and roll operate a lot better too, and Randle would kill if he was used as the roll man more. He might not be a good fit long term, but at least the Knicks can drum up some trade interest in him if can put up some numbers.
On a related note:
And this is exactly why we need to rid ourselves of the box score. It's counterintuitive if we're using stats that are not only not indicative of impact and winning-play, but they deceive us from what's really happening on the floor, and used as a tool to deceive others.
I mean it's why the Knicks got themselves into this position in the first place.
Francis White
i been away to long, my feeling died.
For what? The team been doing that the last 5 years for nothing. Before the season started you had the deranged Knick fans talking playoffs and claiming black excellence from the front office. This team stinks and needs to have a new owner and a real front office. No more fantasyland free agents who won’t sign here or picks the team will never get. New ownership is needed.
We need a Knicks town hall meeting. Put the organization on public display and let them explain their plan and have the fans express their emotions and ask questions.
Damn that’d be a great idea! Get all the knicks Stan bases together and talk to front office or protest or something. We need to get the front office to notice because they trip over their own feet every year.
Knicks gonna kill my pops man.
Bought this old Battletoad head fukker a new fitted new hoodie.
All hyped and shyt.
On the jack looking for Knicks themed coffins for the big homie.
Bought this old Battletoad head fukker a new fitted new hoodie.
All hyped and shyt.
On the jack looking for Knicks themed coffins for the big homie.
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Yea, that took me by surprise. I rewound the video to see I wasn’t bugging. Frank don’t never run that fast, ain’t know he had it in him. Let me find out he on some Gohan shyt with hidden untapped potential.
Great idea, but it’ll never happen. Too many people buying merch and tickets. If you want businesses to listen you gotta hurt they pockets.
storyteller
Veteran
After losing by 20 points, 102-122, to a Detroit Pistons team that was down to it's third string Point Guard and missing its offensive centerpiece in Blake Griffin; it feels like the Knicks season hopes may be deflating faster than any time before. Lofty offseason expectations usually take at least ALL of November before Knicks fans are watching UNC, Kentucky and Duke games with dreams of lottery combinations. But the Knicks just don't look well constructed right now. Mitchell Robinson's concussion symptoms were the marker for a complete defensive collapse that Frank Ntilikina's inspired effort could not save. Randle and Morris finally shared a good offensive game at the same time but the offense still left a lot to be desired. It's early for the "who's most to blame" arguments to start popping up, but I suspect that conversation will reach a fever pitch if the Knicks can't surprise everybody with a win against Kristaps Porzingis' new squad the Mavs on Friday...it had to be a Friday Night Knicks curse game didn't it? Let's look at last night and try to find some hope...
Frank: On his first opportunity to attack the pick and roll, Frank Ntilikina turned the ball over to Bruce Brown. At times this was enough to see him go right back to the bench in the past and at others, he'd tighten up for fear of going to bench and force his coaches' hands. Last night, Frank sorta looked pissed. He suddenly picked up the pace of his game on both ends. He had 3 blocks before the end of the first half and Luke Kennard seemed shell shocked as Frank's primary assignment for chunks of game. But we know about Frank's defense, it's his offense that was most exciting to watch.
Ntilikina put up 11 points, 4 assists to 2 TO's and added 3 blocks and a steal to his stat line over the course of the night. He pumped in 5/7 from the field including a make on his only three pointer taken and another long jumper that sunk with his feet just on the line early on. The French Prince had a couple of very nice drives for finishes and also made some kickouts on forays into the paint. The kid was aggressive for most of the night and offense really needed him. Fiz had no other PG's and so he relied on Frank for 39 minutes of production. The stats might not be amazing for that span, but they're a huge step in the right direction with Frank's play trending upward as his minutes and role become more consistent.
RJ: RJ Barrett put up 15 points, 8 assists to 3 TO's and 6 boards yet it felt like one of his more pedestrian games. That's not me complaining; he's really been that good. RJ struggled a bit from the field, going 4/12 and he went 6/11 from the free throw line which muted his scoring numbers. His best moments all came as he powered through defenders for tough finishes but if teams can just foul him and save points, that could become a trend in how he's handled. That said, Barrett's constant trips inside the paint opened up passing opportunities and led to an impressive assist tally from the 19 year old.
Defensively, Barrett had a few more slip-ups than we've been used to in the early portion of his career. Most of the Knicks struggled on that end though and it's possible that he was a victim of circumstance more than anything. Once Mitch was out, the entire team seemed to overcompensate inside and gravitate heavily toward Drummond. Either way, this was a step down defensively for RJ but that still left him well ahead of the typical rookie defender. He fell from great to good on both ends and it was noticeable, but that's a compliment toward his peak play more than anything.
Morris: Marcus Morris has his scoring rhythm back and it has proven helpful when the Knicks need buckets. But the rest of his offensive game hasn't rounded things out. Mook dropped 18 points, 4 boards and 1 assist to 3 TO's. Morris is definitely letting the game come to him more often but with a handful of forces that lead to ugly misses or turnovers. He's always on the verge of having a few too many momentum killers while also verging on carrying the Knicks offense all on his own. Morris went 7/14 on the night with 3/7 from three helping him along but the assist to turnover ratio is a blemish.
The other obvious blemish for Mook was another technical. He's gotta be on Rasheed Wallace pace with the T's. These technicals aren't coming at times where they galvanize the team, they tend to do more damage than good. It didn't matter much last night with the game having already slipped away but part of being a leader is keeping your emotions in check or using them to pick up the others. That didn't happen.
Randle: Julius Randle found his scoring, lost his playmaking a bit and then got called for a game changing flagrant foul that turned a decent game into a bad one. Randle was finally back in his bag offensively, driving for some tough finishes and dunking on Andre Drummond for a massive highlight. He went 8/15 from the field and finally found his three ball (3/5) in route to a 20 points, 4 boards, 2 assist night. Those are solid numbers but the turnovers continue to accumulate, he gave up the ball 4 times last night. The would-be center piece for the offense is still searching for balance but I'd rate this a step in the right direction even with the drop in assists.
That said, Randle's defense was inconsistent and more bad than good. He had a nice, heady steal early in the game that took hustle and IQ. But for most of the night that sort of clever play vanished. Worst of all, he picked up a flagrant foul by stepping under a shooter. He didn't get his hands high, slid low and gave up a three plus a flagrant foul via the same play that Zaza used to remove Kawhi from the post season a while back (and the Spurs in a way). It turned a 2 point deficit to 8 and the Knicks never got their composure back after this moment. It turned a decent performance bad.
Mitch: Mitchell Robinson only got to play 8 minutes because he took a blow to the head and had concussion symptoms. Even shaken up, he did play impressively against a star big man in this league (Drummond). Over his 8 minutes, Mitch posted 6 points and 4 boards on 3/4 from the field. But what really stood out is how the defense cratered without him. The Knicks need Mitch and if he can tick his playing time up to between 25-30 minutes a night; they'll be a better team for it.
Ellington: The only other guard to crack the Knicks' regular rotation was Wayne Ellington and he continued to struggle. Ellington took a tough, contested three from well behind the line to start his game and it was indicative of his entire night. The shooter went just 1/5 over 14 minutes and missed all 4 of his three point attempts. He tallied 2 points and 2 assists while falling off defensively as well. He was bad in this one, no two ways about it.
Dot/Zo: Which makes this a good time to bring up Damyean Dotson and Allonzo Trier. Both got garbage time of 4 minutes each. Both shot 1/2 from the field. Zo his a three and got to the line for 5 points. Dot hit a step back jumper for 2 points off a pick and roll ball handling gig. Either guy deserves a look in the Ellington role with how much the vet has struggled and how much more upside these two young players have.
Knox: Kevin Knox continues to be a brigh spot offensively but he may have had his worst defensive performance so far. Offensively, he continues to be one of the Knicks best shooters period. He put up 14 points, 1 assist and 2 boards in 27 minutes of play. The floor stretching is key here, he knocked down 2/3 from long range and drove by guys that closed out hard. When the Knicks offense was sputtering, Knox made some jumpers and drives that were a bright spot among the struggles of everyone else.
That said, Kevin Knox was bad defensively. The sophomore lottery pick may have gotten a raw deal when he fouled Galloway from three, Langston had leapt forward damn near the length of Nate Robinson's body which ought to be an offensive foul. But the play is still indicative of how Knox fared last night, late through screens and a step behind the ball handler way too often.
Taj: Taj Gibson had a solid bounce back game and maybe coulda used more minutes to be honest. He posted 6 points, 4 boards and 4 assists in 22 minutes of play and on 3/4 shooting. There weren't any forces or offensive fouls to be seen. Taj may be undersized compared to our other bigs, but he's the most defensively sound as well. With Mitch out, Taj may need his number called more often.
Iggy: Ignas Brazdeikis got some burn but didn't get a chance to do much with it. He had a nice drive that rimmed out and missed a jumper to go 0/2 in his 4 minute run. But it wasn't a bad little spurt with all things considered. Not much to report, he's still intriguing but could probably use some G-League reps to sharpen up.
Portis: Bobby Portis has been a solid, if sometimes frustrating, back-up center. But thrust into a larger role and faced off against Andre Drummond, it was clear that Bobby's best suited for that bench role. He played 21 minutes and posted 3 points and 5 boards on 1/6 shooting. Drummond shut the Knicks' big man down and Bobby struggled just as much defensively as offensively. Portis had a chance to step up but just came up short in this one. I like him as a 15 minute offensive piece that could take up more time when he's hot or has mismatches...but if you have to rely on Portis too much, you're going to struggle unless he really improves defensively.
Fiz: I bet defending David Fizdale feels a lot like how I do when I defend Frank. There are valid excuses for many of his decisions and "mistakes" but there are also baked in and obvious red flags. This makes defending the coach a bit of a mine field. How much do you credit Fiz with Frank's growth when the kid was buried as 4th PG on the depth chart until injuries happened? How come even when healthy and with 4 fouls, Mitch was getting under 20 minutes of burn? Well...Frank played bad in game one and Mitch has had health issues from finger to ankle to skull. It's hard to tell where front office promises and mandates begin and where Fiz experimenting ends or vice versa.
Here's what we can say for sure. The offense still doesn't look cohesive and is susceptible to long droughts. The defense still doesn't have a set system (from switching to trapping, we've made a few shifts already). The team also hasn't had a full compliment of players since day one though. Fiz only has one rim protector to lean on and a bunch of vets to keep happy. That's not to mention, we're only 8 games in with a heavily revamped roster. There's reason for patience as much if not more than there is to be angry. That said, I'd be lying if I fronted about not having serious concerns. The system based problems, lack of continuity and powder keg feeling of the locker room are all holdovers from last year's ugly season. How big a variable David Fizdale is in the Knicks' struggle is simply too hard to figure out under these circumstances...but I wouldn't be shocked if KP going off on a Robinsonless Knicks at the Garden doesn't lead to "Fire Fizdale" chants because the Garden already feels ready to erupt with anger and the season already feels like it's slipping away.
Go watch Cole Anthony or James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball or Tyrese Maxey or RJ Hampton...it will help some, I promise.
Frank: On his first opportunity to attack the pick and roll, Frank Ntilikina turned the ball over to Bruce Brown. At times this was enough to see him go right back to the bench in the past and at others, he'd tighten up for fear of going to bench and force his coaches' hands. Last night, Frank sorta looked pissed. He suddenly picked up the pace of his game on both ends. He had 3 blocks before the end of the first half and Luke Kennard seemed shell shocked as Frank's primary assignment for chunks of game. But we know about Frank's defense, it's his offense that was most exciting to watch.
Ntilikina put up 11 points, 4 assists to 2 TO's and added 3 blocks and a steal to his stat line over the course of the night. He pumped in 5/7 from the field including a make on his only three pointer taken and another long jumper that sunk with his feet just on the line early on. The French Prince had a couple of very nice drives for finishes and also made some kickouts on forays into the paint. The kid was aggressive for most of the night and offense really needed him. Fiz had no other PG's and so he relied on Frank for 39 minutes of production. The stats might not be amazing for that span, but they're a huge step in the right direction with Frank's play trending upward as his minutes and role become more consistent.
RJ: RJ Barrett put up 15 points, 8 assists to 3 TO's and 6 boards yet it felt like one of his more pedestrian games. That's not me complaining; he's really been that good. RJ struggled a bit from the field, going 4/12 and he went 6/11 from the free throw line which muted his scoring numbers. His best moments all came as he powered through defenders for tough finishes but if teams can just foul him and save points, that could become a trend in how he's handled. That said, Barrett's constant trips inside the paint opened up passing opportunities and led to an impressive assist tally from the 19 year old.
Defensively, Barrett had a few more slip-ups than we've been used to in the early portion of his career. Most of the Knicks struggled on that end though and it's possible that he was a victim of circumstance more than anything. Once Mitch was out, the entire team seemed to overcompensate inside and gravitate heavily toward Drummond. Either way, this was a step down defensively for RJ but that still left him well ahead of the typical rookie defender. He fell from great to good on both ends and it was noticeable, but that's a compliment toward his peak play more than anything.
Morris: Marcus Morris has his scoring rhythm back and it has proven helpful when the Knicks need buckets. But the rest of his offensive game hasn't rounded things out. Mook dropped 18 points, 4 boards and 1 assist to 3 TO's. Morris is definitely letting the game come to him more often but with a handful of forces that lead to ugly misses or turnovers. He's always on the verge of having a few too many momentum killers while also verging on carrying the Knicks offense all on his own. Morris went 7/14 on the night with 3/7 from three helping him along but the assist to turnover ratio is a blemish.
The other obvious blemish for Mook was another technical. He's gotta be on Rasheed Wallace pace with the T's. These technicals aren't coming at times where they galvanize the team, they tend to do more damage than good. It didn't matter much last night with the game having already slipped away but part of being a leader is keeping your emotions in check or using them to pick up the others. That didn't happen.
Randle: Julius Randle found his scoring, lost his playmaking a bit and then got called for a game changing flagrant foul that turned a decent game into a bad one. Randle was finally back in his bag offensively, driving for some tough finishes and dunking on Andre Drummond for a massive highlight. He went 8/15 from the field and finally found his three ball (3/5) in route to a 20 points, 4 boards, 2 assist night. Those are solid numbers but the turnovers continue to accumulate, he gave up the ball 4 times last night. The would-be center piece for the offense is still searching for balance but I'd rate this a step in the right direction even with the drop in assists.
That said, Randle's defense was inconsistent and more bad than good. He had a nice, heady steal early in the game that took hustle and IQ. But for most of the night that sort of clever play vanished. Worst of all, he picked up a flagrant foul by stepping under a shooter. He didn't get his hands high, slid low and gave up a three plus a flagrant foul via the same play that Zaza used to remove Kawhi from the post season a while back (and the Spurs in a way). It turned a 2 point deficit to 8 and the Knicks never got their composure back after this moment. It turned a decent performance bad.
Mitch: Mitchell Robinson only got to play 8 minutes because he took a blow to the head and had concussion symptoms. Even shaken up, he did play impressively against a star big man in this league (Drummond). Over his 8 minutes, Mitch posted 6 points and 4 boards on 3/4 from the field. But what really stood out is how the defense cratered without him. The Knicks need Mitch and if he can tick his playing time up to between 25-30 minutes a night; they'll be a better team for it.
Ellington: The only other guard to crack the Knicks' regular rotation was Wayne Ellington and he continued to struggle. Ellington took a tough, contested three from well behind the line to start his game and it was indicative of his entire night. The shooter went just 1/5 over 14 minutes and missed all 4 of his three point attempts. He tallied 2 points and 2 assists while falling off defensively as well. He was bad in this one, no two ways about it.
Dot/Zo: Which makes this a good time to bring up Damyean Dotson and Allonzo Trier. Both got garbage time of 4 minutes each. Both shot 1/2 from the field. Zo his a three and got to the line for 5 points. Dot hit a step back jumper for 2 points off a pick and roll ball handling gig. Either guy deserves a look in the Ellington role with how much the vet has struggled and how much more upside these two young players have.
Knox: Kevin Knox continues to be a brigh spot offensively but he may have had his worst defensive performance so far. Offensively, he continues to be one of the Knicks best shooters period. He put up 14 points, 1 assist and 2 boards in 27 minutes of play. The floor stretching is key here, he knocked down 2/3 from long range and drove by guys that closed out hard. When the Knicks offense was sputtering, Knox made some jumpers and drives that were a bright spot among the struggles of everyone else.
That said, Kevin Knox was bad defensively. The sophomore lottery pick may have gotten a raw deal when he fouled Galloway from three, Langston had leapt forward damn near the length of Nate Robinson's body which ought to be an offensive foul. But the play is still indicative of how Knox fared last night, late through screens and a step behind the ball handler way too often.
Taj: Taj Gibson had a solid bounce back game and maybe coulda used more minutes to be honest. He posted 6 points, 4 boards and 4 assists in 22 minutes of play and on 3/4 shooting. There weren't any forces or offensive fouls to be seen. Taj may be undersized compared to our other bigs, but he's the most defensively sound as well. With Mitch out, Taj may need his number called more often.
Iggy: Ignas Brazdeikis got some burn but didn't get a chance to do much with it. He had a nice drive that rimmed out and missed a jumper to go 0/2 in his 4 minute run. But it wasn't a bad little spurt with all things considered. Not much to report, he's still intriguing but could probably use some G-League reps to sharpen up.
Portis: Bobby Portis has been a solid, if sometimes frustrating, back-up center. But thrust into a larger role and faced off against Andre Drummond, it was clear that Bobby's best suited for that bench role. He played 21 minutes and posted 3 points and 5 boards on 1/6 shooting. Drummond shut the Knicks' big man down and Bobby struggled just as much defensively as offensively. Portis had a chance to step up but just came up short in this one. I like him as a 15 minute offensive piece that could take up more time when he's hot or has mismatches...but if you have to rely on Portis too much, you're going to struggle unless he really improves defensively.
Fiz: I bet defending David Fizdale feels a lot like how I do when I defend Frank. There are valid excuses for many of his decisions and "mistakes" but there are also baked in and obvious red flags. This makes defending the coach a bit of a mine field. How much do you credit Fiz with Frank's growth when the kid was buried as 4th PG on the depth chart until injuries happened? How come even when healthy and with 4 fouls, Mitch was getting under 20 minutes of burn? Well...Frank played bad in game one and Mitch has had health issues from finger to ankle to skull. It's hard to tell where front office promises and mandates begin and where Fiz experimenting ends or vice versa.
Here's what we can say for sure. The offense still doesn't look cohesive and is susceptible to long droughts. The defense still doesn't have a set system (from switching to trapping, we've made a few shifts already). The team also hasn't had a full compliment of players since day one though. Fiz only has one rim protector to lean on and a bunch of vets to keep happy. That's not to mention, we're only 8 games in with a heavily revamped roster. There's reason for patience as much if not more than there is to be angry. That said, I'd be lying if I fronted about not having serious concerns. The system based problems, lack of continuity and powder keg feeling of the locker room are all holdovers from last year's ugly season. How big a variable David Fizdale is in the Knicks' struggle is simply too hard to figure out under these circumstances...but I wouldn't be shocked if KP going off on a Robinsonless Knicks at the Garden doesn't lead to "Fire Fizdale" chants because the Garden already feels ready to erupt with anger and the season already feels like it's slipping away.
Go watch Cole Anthony or James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball or Tyrese Maxey or RJ Hampton...it will help some, I promise.
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