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Gotta go with a quick cap today:
- Frank and Taj have been really big difference makers, but Taj is still undersized for some C's and the foul trouble reflected that. Meanwhile Frank is playing well but he has to start demanding the ball more from the bigs off their rebounds. I've seen them look all of him, RJ and DSJ off but you can definitely catch DSJ making a more clear route to the ball instead of the "you want it or should I take that for you" approach Frank sometimes has...that approach will always be "I've got this" for Randle and Mook in crunch time.

- Credit where it's due, Randle has improved in terms of sharing the rock and letting Guards handle things but it's been baby steps. He's still calling his own number too often. Morris usually isn't as bad about it but the hometown thing seemed to cause him to press. Dude was turned all the way up all night. Both guys would benefit from letting Frank, RJ, Dot and DSJ initiate more often though. It's getting there, I think.

- Not gonna kill Fiz but I still think he makes the right move just a minute later than necessary. That's Frank coming back in for the 4th, Mitch coming into the 4th for crunch time and some of the early game TO's where the forwards were overdoing their full court takes. Overall, the tight rotation was good. I know it's frustrating to see Knox punished, but his defensive effort warranted a message. And the second half use of Timeouts was on point. It was a tight game so we could nitpick but Morris picking up that flagrant is the biggest issue I'd have in the minor details of the night and that's not on Fiz.

- Mitch is still laboring and I think that explains the foul trouble these past two games. His mobility is off just slightly but it's thrown off his timing and you see that on his touch inside as well as picking up some cheap fouls. Also...Embiid gets way too much love from the refs imo. Simmons earns it, Embiid is getting away with things on one end and then his defenders get called for 'em. It's not surprising how often dudes get angry with the kid or end up going at him.

- DSJ had a stellar first half on both ends and then dragged on both ends in the second half. I'm wondering if that's conditioning because he was much more locked in mentally at least from a body language perspective.

- Dot had a tough time with the Sixers' length but had some really nice moments defensively. That's the one thing separating him from Wayne and Trier. He's the most likely to impact the other end when his shot isn't going down. I still feel for Trier though, he has had the inconsistent minutes and role changes that I felt hurt Frank last year. With Zo though, he'd help his case a lot by stepping up on defense.

- Speaking of bad defense...Knox is getting there offensively but the defensive play has regressed to last season bad and we can't blame it on fatigue like I'd hoped was the problem last season. I do think he's another sophomore slump contender from the perspective that his energy is all over the place and I wonder if that's related to growing pains...wonder, hope, same difference.

- I've been asking to develop a defensive identity to make up for the lack of offensive talent for years. This year we're closer to that. But DSJ, Knox and Portis all at once is a recipe for disaster. I hate that Knox was the one to lose his time but understand it. I also think it's noteworthy that with or without Knox, the second unit defense dragged last night. No hate here, but tweaks seem necessary and this is where it gets tricky with the rotation because the starters are putting up really impressive splits so you don't wanna wreck it.

- Iggy bodied it for Westchester the other night and then Kenny Wooten showed out last night. 8 BLOCKS...and we don't have a back-up rim protector. I wouldn't mind trying to turn one of our SG's into a future asset so that we can make a roster spot for Wooten when we play bigger teams like Philly. Something to keep Wooten before another team tries to steal all that athletic upside. I'd also be down for trying to move Payton on 12/15 or Allen's two-way contract. The backcourt logjams are clearer since we have a pretty set rotation right now.
 

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Fiz = Woodson >>> Hornacek > Fisher >>>>>>>> Rambis

Fiz is on his way to passing Woody as the best coach we've had since D'antoni (arguably better) and both Fiz and D'antoni have the same issue that makes their full coaching impact tough to judge...missing key pieces that their systems were built to rely on. Fiz was working with a dynamic PF in mind and Randle can't replicate what was probably modeled for KP or KD to run as effectively. Mike never got a PG better than Duhon outside of the brief time Lin was healthy. Looking back, I'm curious what woulda happened if Jamal Crawford was kept around a bit longer. He's not a perfect fit but would have been more to D'antoni's needs.
 

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**Divisive moment incoming**
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Aight...listen...

I see and understand the complaints against the "Fizdale, Morris and Randle" LLC...

I agree on the issues that present themselves.
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BUT... y'all overstating the extremity of the issues. shyt is trending positively for each and every one of those three.

I know y'all going to get triggered on some
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But, we have to be completely honest with what we are choosing NOT TO SEE. Fiz's coaching is producing dividends at this point. The ball movement has been really promising in the most recent games - even with the fact that we have so many Iso Ho ass nikkas talking about...
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Knickas are actually moving the ball considerably well especially since Fiz, himself, made the decision to finally start having faith in Frank to lead the team.

Randle? The breh is playing much better each and every game. He has his faults, but knickas have faults e'ry day, b. The ignorance of RJ against the '6ers was egregious but if I recall correctly, Frank and others waved off RJ in that same sequence. Something tells me it's on RJ to improve his consistency and expectations in order for his teammates to have faith in passing him the ball. They probably want him to drive yet he takes the shot that is seemingly outside of his range right now. And don't forget...

It was RANDLE and Morris who had performances that had that 7'3 Kermit the Frog ass ex-knicka look like a naked on the street goofy twice in one week.
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I actually think we've seen enough to give them a little more confidence and leeway at this point in the season. shyt is actually looking a little less bleak with each new game.

And that being said, yes, we lost that game when Fiz decided to rest Frank after that 15-0 run. But, honestly, Frank needed a breather and a large lead like that was the right time to sit him. We have to be objective.

I'm willing to bet a stack and my chinese food on this take
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Now...if shyt starts to fall off the rails and I'm wrong...
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But...I'm not wrong, though.
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Somehow Frank has become our most impactful player. As one of Franks biggest supporters and stans even im shocked
Yea, this.

I am actually happy that the biggest "I believed in Frank" voices, atleast on this forum, aren't on some a$$hole "How the fukk do you feel for doubting Frank, fukkboy!?"

We just want the kid with a Knicks jersey to do well and we saw something in him. I hope the people who have been on the "Frank is a myth" train are happy as well. Or nah?

Smith should've prolonged that deficit. That's on him. Plus Randle and Morris got stripped handling the ball.
This is the elephant in the room.

And it's not an indictment on Dennis. He started solid. He just needs to tighten up like every else needs to and we are on our way.
 

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Somehow Frank has become our most impactful player. As one of Franks biggest supporters and stans even im shocked
I've been having the opposite effect. Everyone I believe in sucks and vice versa. After Knox playing like shyt, I humbled myself.
 

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I've been having the opposite effect. Everyone I believe in sucks and vice versa. After Knox playing like shyt, I humbled myself.
He needs to look to score the way he did last night in that 3Q every single game
It's so crazy.
I'm legit more afraid by what I'm seeing now than I've ever been.

He flails while playing defense. As in the way you see defense being played by a person who is trying to mimic what they've seen on D but brain farts their way through it and just...moves just to move to just feel like he's doing something.

I REALLY want my son to be great. He's going to have to literally be a splash brother in order to compensate for such a glaring weakness on defense.

Think about it...
Imagine your team is down by 2. You have possession at half court and no timeouts remaining. 32 seconds on the clock. You run a successful play and Knox scores on a cut.

Happy right? Not so fast...

Imagine a coach who is confident in his team and willing to gamble a little since it's a tie game. Is he going to take that timeout? NO, because he is not giving you an opportunity to sub Knox out.

He's going to shout a play on the top of his lungs in order to create multiple screens targeting a miss match with KNox being left to guard the iso superstar on the other team.

We'd all be fukking terrified.

That's very fukking troubling.
 
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It's so crazy.
I'm legit more afraid by what I'm seeing now than I've ever been.

He flails while playing defense. As in the way you see defense being played by a person who is trying to mimic what they've seen on D but brain farts their way through it and just...moves just to move to just feel like he's doing something.

I REALLY want my son to be great. He's going to have to literally be a splash brother in order to compensate for such a glaring weakness on defense.

Think about it...
Imagine your team is down by 2. You have possession at half court and no timeouts remaining. 32 seconds on the clock. You run a successful play and Knox scores on a cut.

Happy right? Not so fast...

Imagine a coach who is confident in his team and willing to gamble a little since it's a tie game. Is he going to take that timeout? NO, because he is not giving you an opportunity to sub Knox out.

He's going to shout a play on the top of his lungs in order to create multiple screens targeting a miss match with KNox being left to guard the iso superstar on the other team.

We'd all be fukking terrified.

That's very fukking troubling.
The switches fukk him up on defense, otherwise it's mediocre at best.
 

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Smith should've prolonged that deficit. That's on him. Plus Randle and Morris got stripped handling the ball.
Nah I don’t agree (naturally), the constant flow of turnovers started before he checked in the game and continued due to what I noticed seemed to be that unit not being on the same page on sets. There was a lot of confusion on where players were supposed to be, for example most evident on the last play that unit played together before fiz called a TO. Ben Simmons got a steal on Taj only because he was 1. trying to direct traffic with a live dribble. 2. Our players were out of position.
 

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Nah I don’t agree (naturally), the constant flow of turnovers started before he checked in the game and continued due to what I noticed seemed to be that unit not being on the same page on sets. There was a lot of confusion on where players were supposed to be, for example most evident on the last play that unit played together before fiz called a TO. Ben Simmons got a steal on Taj only because he was 1. trying to direct traffic with a live dribble. 2. Our players were out of position.
It narrowed down to an 8 point deficit then Smith started playing sloppy. Morris and Randle were playing out of sync and taking tough shots instead of passing it out. There should've been a timeout and rotation at that point to probably sub in Taj and Portis even giving Ellington some minutes would've helped out. It was a combination of it all.
 
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