Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

So they reporting the Knicks are considering Jeff Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, and Tom Thibodeau.

Like I've said before an organization perpetually stuck in the past.

Jeff Van Gundy the ex head coach of the old rugged beloved Knick the New Yorker, Mark Jackson the ex Knicks the floor general the New Yorker, Tom Thibodeau the former long time Knicks assistant.

so many knicks fans are stuck in the past and trying to recreate the 90s knicks. Can we just create a new knicks era

 

[RickyGQ]

He didn't have the pieces to instill a strong offensive system here.

I don't think his defensive scheme was retarded the NBA is a switch heavy league now the personnel just sucks. He came from a Miami team that was heavy on switching and trapping and playing small and versatile. His defense in Memphis also ranked 7th in his first season there.

Miller was also an assistant on this team and had a say in what we were doing when Fiz was here. These assistants are more important and do more work than y'all think.

Fiz at the very least even if not an X's and O's genius is a respected coach and at least league average.

Anyway I don't know why Fiz was fired. This team sucks might as well have kept him until the end of the season. Also a system and culture takes time to establish. Fiz wasn't here long enough and didn't have enough roster continuity. I don't care what ya say dude got dealt a bad hand, got scapegoated, and fukked over. Now we paying the guy to sit at home.

fam, you don’t need personnel to install an offensive system. If Fiz had a better system that got the players good looks but they were missing everything, I’m positive he would still have a job.

 

[ISO]

Just checked the box score to yesterday’s game didn’t realize we got taken to OT



It’s a small sample size but the offensive rating under Fiz was .9 higher

 

[RickyGQ]

The personnel is not built to play any kind of defense. The zone was an actual adjustment that worked in spurts and didn't in others. Spurs are a low volume three point shooting team regardless of that goofy ass road 3PT% stat.

Also the personnel may not be built to play that kind of defense but that doesn't mean that the defense itself is ineffective.

You nikkas clowns for holding words from the summer against me when I was just being optimistic.

It should have been Mills and Perry fired not Fizdale. Fizdale should have at least survived the season and then had future management evaluate him and create a vision and get on the same page. It doesn't make sense to being paying all these coaches to sit on their ass at home.

you’re absolutely right about the defense part, but why doesn’t that apply to offense?

 

[Peter Popoff]

Keep him or I stop posting in this thread.

 

[Wargames]

Wait guys ok I will be the Devil’s advocate

There is a strong chance he likes being here because he has the freedom to play himself into a great contract.

you put him on a better team and he is likely at most gonna Ave 14-20 pts a game

 

[Peter Popoff]

Wait guys ok I will be the Devil’s advocate

There is a strong chance he likes being here because he has the freedom to play himself into a great contract.

you put him on a better team and he is likely at most gonna Ave 14-20 pts a game

We've let too many great guys that wanna be here go and kept the rubbish. Portis and Randle has to go.

 

[The War Report]

For a late first rounder he can go.

 

[seemorecizzy]

fam, you don’t need personnel to install an offensive system. If Fiz had a better system that got the players good looks but they were missing everything, I’m positive he would still have a job.

fizz was fired beecause mills told dolan we had a successful free agency and we werent gettin any wins. trust me when i tell you dolan doesnt know whether we are running an efficient offense or not. he just wants progress in the win department.

it wasnt happening, and mills threw fiz under the bus. please dont be fooled with this better system crap.

 

[JMurder]

Do me a favor everyone and go look who has the highest +- this game

Hint: it’s the guy with 24/12/5

Randle with the highest +/-

Frank with the lowest


start Payton

Am I reading this boxscore wrong?

 

[JMurder]

C.O.A.C.H.ing

 

[JMurder]

if we get a new front office, they are gonna want their own guy. so lets not even waste millers time by giving him a try only to fire him after a year.
lets start fresh.

i agree tho, i dont trust da knicks in general to hire a new coach

Your point makes no sense. You wanna fire the coach because the new front office is gonna hire their own guy...but that means whoever they replace the coach with is gonna get fired too

 

[JMurder]

The personnel is not built to play any kind of defense. The zone was an actual adjustment that worked in spurts and didn't in others. Spurs are a low volume three point shooting team regardless of that goofy ass road 3PT% stat.

Also the personnel may not be built to play that kind of defense but that doesn't mean that the defense itself is ineffective.

You nikkas clowns for holding words from the summer against me when I was just being optimistic.

It should have been Mills and Perry fired not Fizdale. Fizdale should have at least survived the season and then had future management evaluate him and create a vision and get on the same page. It doesn't make sense to being paying all these coaches to sit on their ass at home.

Don't be mad at us be mad at yourself

 

[JMurder]

Y'all gotta watch more ball around the league and keep up with the college game a lil

Bam ain't a role player. He's a legit two way point center.

Kendrick Nunn was a diamond in the rough they found. He played with Jabari Parker at Simeon and his college career got derailed by a battery case he caught. He's getting his chance at 24 and he is legit, an actual dog.

Duncan Robinson is a guy who shot 45% 3PT in his career at Michigan. An underrated sleeper they got undrafted he has the green light to take threes and is shooting the lights out.

Jimmy Butler has been a fringe top 10 player for years now. They got Dragic in a 6th Man role, Herro is a fukking bucket as a rookie his confidence is off the charts, two stretch bigs in Olynyk and Leonard, Winslow been out but he's recharged in that point forward role.

Miami got a nice lil team. Miami has a good culture established top down from ownership with Mickey Arison, down to Pat Riley, down to Erik Spoelstra. There's a sense of accountability there you won't play if you don't take fitness serious or if you're a fukk up on the court. They refuse to tank as they rebuilt the team once LeBron left. They're not with that losing shyt. Some see it as treadmilling others see it as continuing a winning culture. This is the type of environment Fiz came from.

Question: How did Bam, Nunn and Robinson get to be what they are now? None of those guys were drafted as starting players correct?

 

[dave]

Am I reading this boxscore wrong?

Dotson's +/- is an outlier