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[Wargames]

 

[RickyGQ]

I'm an advocate for trading up and I wouldn't give no where near that much up. You give that kind of package up for a surefire thing, and even though I like Melo breh still needs work. We could probably get the other Ball brother for much cheaper rn, that would be a much better move to make.



I'd do this without a doubt, the Knicks need to be on the phone trying to make some shyt like this happen. I'm a big fan of Kira and he'll likely still be on the board for the 12th pick. If no trades are made though I want the Knicks to pick Hayes at 8. I still think Hayes is one of the best prospects in the draft and the concerns about his lack of athleticism are overblown imo. Brodie got that wiggle to his game, I'm sure after a year or 2 of experience he'll have no problem creating separation in the NBA.

Also, the Knicks need to keep that Mavs pick for next year at all costs. The Mavericks are a great team and have something special in the makings no doubt, but the west is still a slaughterhouse and it'll be even tougher now since the draft lottery basically broke in favor of the Western Conference. Minny will be competitive next year and Golden State is a lock to make the playoffs next year, so there's a chance the Mavs won't make it next year. The Knicks are due for some good luck for once, so roll the dice and keep the pick.

Buddy Hield might make it easier to trade for Mitchell mid season or next off season too.

 

[RickyGQ]

I got to disagree.

Vassell looks like a SG and the knicks have a superior one in RJ. His WIngspan isn’t long enough to say he could play SF. Also if his skill set was a legit need mocks would have Okoro and Nesmith getting drafted by us as well. The two of them aren’t needed with RJ on the roster. Also next year is such a strong SF draft...... if we get anyone decent Vessell is bench bound.

As for Toppin..... I just don’t see it, as much as the Knicks don’t like Randle, he’s on the roster. 2021 has Markkenan as a FA. Not for nothing I am 100% is flipping the money over, being bad but develop the youth, and then paying him. 6’9 college Junior, Amare is not the move for a team as bad as us, also there seems to be a lot of smoke about the Cavs picking him anyway. Plus there are three other PFs in this draft (J Smith, Paul Reed, Precious) who fit Thibs style more. Honestly, Obi would be Boozer in Thibs system and Boozer was never worth the money there. If they wanted a PF draft Aleksej Pokuševski.

This is the 2009 draft all over again. The Knicks need to get a PG who they can hopefully rely on for the next decade.

RJ is a small forward.

 

[Wargames]

RJ is a small forward.

He’s a SG, I can go back and forth on this but all his advantages offensively come from him being stronger than most other SG’s so he can score through contact and him playing left handed.

It’s the main reason why the rumor is the Knicks FO are worried about Donovan Mitchell next to RJ. There games are a lot a like. Too much alike honestly for them to play well together.

He’s also a better prospect than Vassell, Nesmith, and Okoro. We need a PG most and Secondary a PF from this draft and then we can go for Wings next year. Look at that 2021 Wing class, taking a wing this year is ass backwards for the Knicks.

 

[storyteller]

I got to disagree.

Vassell looks like a SG and the knicks have a superior one in RJ. His WIngspan isn’t long enough to say he could play SF. Also if his skill set was a legit need mocks would have Okoro and Nesmith getting drafted by us as well. The two of them aren’t needed with RJ on the roster. Also next year is such a strong SF draft...... if we get anyone decent Vessell is bench bound.

As for Toppin..... I just don’t see it, as much as the Knicks don’t like Randle, he’s on the roster. 2021 has Markkenan as a FA. Not for nothing I am 100% is flipping the money over, being bad but develop the youth, and then paying him. 6’9 college Junior, Amare is not the move for a team as bad as us, also there seems to be a lot of smoke about the Cavs picking him anyway. Plus there are three other PFs in this draft (J Smith, Paul Reed, Precious) who fit Thibs style more. Honestly, Obi would be Boozer in Thibs system and Boozer was never worth the money there. If they wanted a PF draft Aleksej Pokuševski.

This is the 2009 draft all over again. The Knicks need to get a PG who they can hopefully rely on for the next decade.

I don't disagree with your logic here at all. But I'm just saying that there are enough reasons to draft both those players at 8 to not put it on CAA connections. Obi has a case for being top three talent wise. Vassell has a lot of people hyping him as the pick because of his fit with Thibs and especially if you view RJ as a Small Forward.

I'd have a hard time passing on Toppin at that point myself, because I really do think he's as close to a sure thing in the draft as you get (him and Deni really). But I do prefer Kira right now because I agree about needing a reliable PG. I think that getting in a true playmaker on a properly spaced floor will make all of our youth look better immediately. I'd take LaMelo, Killian and Kira over those two...might even consider Haliburton and Maxey.

 

[Mantle Drunk]

I’m still mad at what they got back for that loser prozingis. But he’s just that a injury prone loser. The biggest game of your playing career and you sit it out. I had no issues with moving on just wish they got more then they did.

 

[RickyGQ]

He’s a SG, I can go back and forth on this but all his advantages offensively come from him being stronger than most other SG’s so he can score through contact and him playing left handed.

It’s the main reason why the rumor is the Knicks FO are worried about Donovan Mitchell next to RJ. There games are a lot a like. Too much alike honestly for them to play well together.

He’s also a better prospect than Vassell, Nesmith, and Okoro. We need a PG most and Secondary a PF from this draft and then we can go for Wings next year. Look at that 2021 Wing class, taking a wing this year is ass backwards for the Knicks.

RJ’s lack of foot speed makes him a better matchup against small forwards where he’s still stronger than 85% of them in the league. Worrying about Donovan Mitchell is about play style like you just admitted, not position. If Donovan Mitchell was 6’3” but played like Klay Thompson, nobody would be worried.
RJ is a point forward, his ideal teammates are a pg who can play off ball and space the floor, another wing who can defend and space the floor, and a stretch 4. Then you can spread the floor and let him attack downhill off pick and rolls with Mitch. You should take the best of any of those 3 prototypes if you believe that maximizing his talent is the best move for the future of this team. Drafting a pg who’s upside isn’t crazy, but will take the ball out of his hands, just for the sake of drafting a pg is foolish. Especially if you have a guy like Vassell available, who is a perfect compliment to RJ.
That’s not to say that all the pgs available at 8 will suck. You just have to be sure that theres a fit.

 

[RickyGQ]

I’m still mad at what they got back for that loser prozingis. But he’s just that a injury prone loser. The biggest game of your playing career and you sit it out. I had no issues with moving on just wish they got more then they did.

And the Mavs are still killer. Might take an injury or two for that 2021 pick to make it to the lottery.

 

[Wargames]

RJ’s lack of foot speed makes him a better matchup against small forwards where he’s still stronger than 85% of them in the league. Worrying about Donovan Mitchell is about play style like you just admitted, not position. If Donovan Mitchell was 6’3” but played like Klay Thompson, nobody would be worried.
RJ is a point forward, his ideal teammates are a pg who can play off ball and space the floor, another wing who can defend and space the floor, and a stretch 4. Then you can spread the floor and let him attack downhill off pick and rolls with Mitch. You should take the best of any of those 3 prototypes if you believe that maximizing his talent is the best move for the future of this team. Drafting a pg who’s upside isn’t crazy, but will take the ball out of his hands, just for the sake of drafting a pg is foolish. Especially if you have a guy like Vassell available, who is a perfect compliment to RJ.
That’s not to say that all the pgs available at 8 will suck. You just have to be sure that theres a fit.

I am sorry there are two issues with what you said. He doesn’t have the foot speed to beat SF’s either. If he did they would have put him there last year. The reason he could get into the paint was SG’s would literally bounce off him once he started to drive to the paint and he can Eurostep around other help defenders. He’s just that physically strong as a SG. Wade was the same scenario, later in his career he played SF but he in his prime was a SG for the same reasons. Especially once he lost his crazy speed early in his career.

Donovan is the same way against most PG and SGs he is too strong for them and can score through contact. If RJ could do that to SF it wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is with two of them together the center just needs to fall back and wait for one of them to drive, and they would be driving against the same guards.

That’s also ignoring defense where most SFs would maul him.

Here's my thing, too.... we’ve needed a PG most of my adult life and I am damn near 40. We didn’t get Steph Curry when we needed a PG and chose Jordan Hill at #8 and Toney Douglas at #29. Jrue Holiday, B Jennings, Collison, and Jeff Teague we’re still on the board at #8. Any of those guys could have been useful then. Learn from past mistakes get a PG at 8 and then trade up and see what good talent falls out of the lottery. None of those names Okoro, Vessel, or Nesmith is as good as RJ.

Kira Lewis should be the pick.

 

[seemorecizzy]

rj barret isnt no damn small forward lol
clearly a shooting guard

 

[Big Blue]

I don't think I'd do that. I'd play hard ball since we'd be doing them a favor to take Hield's contract when he's probably relegated to a sixth man role going forward (and making all that money).



Toppin and Vassell aren't being mocked over CAA more than need/fit/talent breh. Vassell is a perfect fit for Thibs and Toppin falling to 8 would be the clear BPA.

Julius Randle is not an excuse pass on anyone. He has no future with this franchise

 

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[RickyGQ]

I am sorry there are two issues with what you said. He doesn’t have the foot speed to beat SF’s either. If he did they would have put him there last year. The reason he could get into the paint was SG’s would literally bounce off him once he started to drive to the paint and he can Eurostep around other help defenders. He’s just that physically strong as a SG. Wade was the same scenario, later in his career he played SF but he in his prime was a SG for the same reasons. Especially once he lost his crazy speed early in his career.

Donovan is the same way against most PG and SGs he is too strong for them and can score through contact. If RJ could do that to SF it wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is with two of them together the center just needs to fall back and wait for one of them to drive, and they would be driving against the same guards.

That’s also ignoring defense where most SFs would maul him.

Here's my thing, too.... we’ve needed a PG most of my adult life and I am damn near 40. We didn’t get Steph Curry when we needed a PG and chose Jordan Hill at #8 and Toney Douglas at #29. Jrue Holiday, B Jennings, Collison, and Jeff Teague we’re still on the board at #8. Any of those guys could have been useful then. Learn from past mistakes get a PG at 8 and then trade up and see what good talent falls out of the lottery. None of those names Okoro, Vessel, or Nesmith is as good as RJ.

Kira Lewis should be the pick.

Sorry, i was talking about defense when i mentioned his foot speed. He’s strong and physical. I disagree that most small forwards would maul him and you are what you can defend.

They played him at the two because of Mook. The league is smaller now.

I’m perfectly fine with drafting Kira. As long as you believe he’s going to be better than Vassell or Okoro or Toppin, or whatever player is available at 8. Not because he’s the best pg available.

 

[Wargames]

Sorry, i was talking about defense when i mentioned his foot speed. He’s strong and physical. I disagree that most small forwards would maul him and you are what you can defend.

They played him at the two because of Mook. The league is smaller now.

I’m perfectly fine with drafting Kira. As long as you believe he’s going to be better than Vassell or Okoro or Toppin, or whatever player is available at 8. Not because he’s the best pg available.

I legit think Kira will be better

 

[Cory MBA]

Friday, October 16
2020 NBA Draft

2020 NBA Draft Lottery Results
1. Minnesota
2. Golden State
3. Charlotte
4. Chicago
5. Cleveland
6. Atlanta
7. Detroit
8. New York
9. Washington
10. Phoenix
11. San Antonio
12. Sacramento
13. New Orleans
14. Boston (from Memphis)
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17. Minnesota (from Brooklyn via Atlanta)
18. Dallas
19. Brooklyn (from Philadelphia via LA Clippers)
20. Miami
21. Philadelphia (from Oklahoma City via Orlando and Philadelphia)
22. Denver (from Houston)
23. Utah
24. Milwaukee (from Indiana)
25. Oklahoma City (from Denver)
26. Boston
27. New York (from LA Clippers)
28. Los Angeles Lakers
29. Toronto
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