Oldheads who ran 1995: biggie or tupac

[Ayo]

I was a teenager at the time. BIG ran shyt on the East Coast. Tupac got little to no radio play. If I didn't cop a single or album myself I remember most of the time I'd have to check for his shyt on AOL/IRC or by watching MTV and BET.

MTV News was in love with Tupac at that time. Starting after the shooting and through his rape trial and bid. Even Suge courting him was all over MTV News. Then I remember California Love being a huge deal on MTV in 96. I just remember Dre looking uncomfortable as fukk in the making of lol

But I digress.

I was at the mall when Pac died and there were literally teenage girls crying everywhere. He had an impact on the East Coast but it was BIG who was #1.

 

[Still Benefited]

What Source Awards did you watch... I guess that's why Snoop got on stage and had a full-fledged fit... because they were CHEERING him louder than the NYers.

8:55 not a single dry eye in the house my nikka



And domt forget,when Snoop got on stage and was clownin it was because he heard a few boos over Dre winnin producer of the year,didnt have shyt to do with him....even as he berated the audience they screamed back "Yeeessss" in response to him demanding they answer if they love him and dre or not....Snoop had to get beligerent as fukk and say fukk yall basically for the audience to turn on em....made em say they love em,then said fukk yall anway

 

[gluvnast]

This is a good point about what I mean...

Bone was definitely at the beginning of the Weed Boom, but around this time you had "5 On It", "Mad Izm", "Crumblin' Erb"
"Where Iz Da Bud" and folk talmbat smokin' Hay in the middle of the barn...it was a lot of people rappin' like that,
lookin' like that everywhere.

That's why imo the Bone vs. Twista & Do Or Die/Crucial Conflict/Triple Six/Tommie Wright battles are so understated.

Now I DO have to correct you on that in regards of the weed boom. That began in 1992 with Cypress Hill as well as Redman. And it was both the crossover appeal Cypress and the underground appeal of Redman that ushered it, then at the end of that year when Dre dropped THE CHRONIC, everyone ended up a weed head.

That said, Bone did contributed to the weed culture heavily as well as Method Man which was why he named his album Tical.

I not going to dispute how large Bone was in '95 but to say Bone was indeed the BIGGEST group under Fugees in '96 because of the Crossroads remix.

 

[gluvnast]

The south was originally the west coast region wise like an old mlb division.


Art Barr

THIS! Being from Tulsa, OK. I can tell you this 1st hand. In fact Daz used to go to HS in in Tulsa briefly before moving back to Long Beach to help record the Chronic.

 

[El Vato]

Pac all day and then some. I used to run with him. I remember when I first was in Oaktown and me being Latino dudes were like hey you mexican? Their response was yeah I heard your shyt..damn you good. It was during side shows and being around jingle town. I can tell more about how I met him and so on but it was a life changing experience. I don't think you can say that about Biggie 'cept go through a drive thru.

 

[gluvnast]

what do you mean? like the south as region dwelled into hip hop before the West

and @gluvnast if biggie has only sold 3.3 milli on RTD how many sells does he have regarding only sold then?

Lemme answer the south question 1st because that's where I am from. During that period most of the southern rap was VERY regional. Many people were on that Miami bass bullshyt when you spoke about the South at that time. The only LEGIT southern rap labels in those days where Suave House records and Rap A-Lot. There were plenty of what will eventually be legendary rap groups such as UGK, Eightball &MJG, Mystical, Three Six Mafia...but they were still respected underground and mainly still regional. But the VAST MAJORITY of the rap music onto the south was coming out west. The MAIN reason because of this was the gang migration that happened from the late 80's to mid-90's which both DJ QUIK (Just Like Compton) and ICE CUBE (Summer Vacation) spoke on. So with the migration came the music as well. People in the hoods related to what nikkaz out west was speaking on because it was the same topics that were happening in their hoods. Even out in the Midwest like all the way up in Detriot and Flint (rest in peace to MC Breed) and Ohio where Bone is at, they were heavily influenced by the west coast sound which was why their albums sounded the way it did.

As for Biggie, I was speaking that you cannot rely on RIAA. The whole point of the Neilson Soundscan was to show an ACCURATE number that was actually sold in stores. RIAA only account what was shipped and even with that there's suspicion by labels of buying their own albums to bring a false reality of so-called sales. I'm not implying Puff ever did that (even though I wouldn't put it passed him) but saying Soundscan brings an more accurate sales report. The last report I looked had Ready to Die at 3.3M in actual sales despite the RIAA certified it as 4x's Platinum. Now I honestly do know and wish I could find what it was in 1995. I always recalled back in '95 that ONE MORE CHANCE made it official as a platinum album.

And the best comparison to use is with Kendrick Lamar's GKMC album where it was certified platinum by the RIAA several months earlier before the CONTROL joint, but it was that song that officially pushed it over based on actual sales.

 

[El Vato]

Lemme answer the south question 1st because that's where I am from. During that period most of the southern rap was VERY regional. Many people were on that Miami bass bullshyt when you spoke about the South at that time. The only LEGIT southern rap labels in those days where Suave House records and Rap A-Lot. There were plenty of what will eventually be legendary rap groups such as UGK, Eightball &MJG, Mystical, Three Six Mafia...but they were still respected underground and mainly still regional. But the VAST MAJORITY of the rap music onto the south was coming out west. The MAIN reason because of this was the gang migration that happened from the late 80's to mid-90's which both DJ QUIK (Just Like Compton) and ICE CUBE (Summer Vacation) spoke on. So with the migration came the music as well. People in the hoods related to what nikkaz out west was speaking on because it was the same topics that were happening in their hoods. Even out in the Midwest like all the way up in Detriot and Flint (rest in peace to MC Breed) and Ohio where Bone is at, they were heavily influenced by the west coast sound which was why their albums sounded the way it did.

As for Biggie, I was speaking that you cannot rely on RIAA. The whole point of the Neilson Soundscan was to show an ACCURATE number that was actually sold in stores. RIAA only account what was shipped and even with that there's suspicion by labels of buying their own albums to bring a false reality of so-called sales. I'm not implying Puff ever did that (even though I wouldn't put it passed him) but saying Soundscan brings an more accurate sales report. The last report I looked had Ready to Die at 3.3M in actual sales despite the RIAA certified it as 4x's Platinum. Now I honestly do know and wish I could find what it was in 1995. I always recalled back in '95 that ONE MORE CHANCE made it official as a platinum album.

And the best comparison to use is with Kendrick Lamar's GKMC album where it was certified platinum by the RIAA several months earlier before the CONTROL joint, but it was that song that officially pushed it over based on actual sales.

true story!! Man I even had the maimi bass tracks called maimi eats bass and so on..it was during a time when you had MC Shy D and Gig Tony were trying to get out of that miami bass shyt. lol

 

[Youngblood Priest]

Pac is my dude, but bad boy was killing 95. Down here in Atlanta tho, nikkaz wasn't bumping bad boy. Pac, yea. Maybe they really ran shyt on the east coast, but south nikkaz wasn't blasting biggies shyt. Facts.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

nikkas will act like one more chance was biggies magnum opus from his first album's run. And be dead wrong
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[El Vato]

I was a teenager at the time. BIG ran shyt on the East Coast. Tupac got little to no radio play. If I didn't cop a single or album myself I remember most of the time I'd have to check for his shyt on AOL/IRC or by watching MTV and BET.

MTV News was in love with Tupac at that time. Starting after the shooting and through his rape trial and bid. Even Suge courting him was all over MTV News. Then I remember California Love being a huge deal on MTV in 96. I just remember Dre looking uncomfortable as fukk in the making of lol

But I digress.

I was at the mall when Pac died and there were literally teenage girls crying everywhere. He had an impact on the East Coast but it was BIG who was #1.

and that was during the time where the east coast gave no radio play to the west so in a way that's why you never really saw the effect that Pac's death was a huge deal.