Oldheads who ran 1995: biggie or tupac

[Art Barr]

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This was in the instance when yo MTV was moved from daytime programming and in limbo at late nights with fab five or a studio based show on the weekend or on location.
Plus MTV jams was when MTV moved into marketing urban prison industrial complex marketed rap. Mixed with pop rnb crossover based music as well. So even posting MTV jams shows you don't have a good grasp of that era as far as MTV's scope and direction content wise.

See here you go not knowing what happened and what gluv posted was dead on.
about what MTV was as far as programming.
In 95, rapcity was the go to and only afternoon daily weekday show to watch for rap programming.
As MTV succumbed to yo MTV failing after removing ed lover and Dr dre as an afternoon scheduled programmed show.

In there some where MTv brought back ed lover and Dre in a afternoon capacity here and there but eventually yo MTV raps had no legs because I wanna say ted demme died in this time period somewhere as well. Which was the end game for yo as demme was the guy on MTV.
Who pushed for the creation of yo and authenticated and brought the study of rap'a draw to get yo green lit for production and daily consumption.
Starting with fab five on weekends and later expanding to Dr dre and ed lover on weekday afternoons at 330pm central time.


Art Barr

What was mtv's first foray into marketing prison industrial rap and the rap video they employed the oversaturated method for?

 

[Taadow]

Bone were clearly the dominate wave for regular nikkaz and their sound image and style.
had an adamantium Grip on regular nikkaz.
who did not know a damn thing about hip hop, culturally.
that when Pac did finally embrace thug life all the way, as his drawing scope during the whole trial Dr bail situation.
He was the next natural draw for that audience and new influx of gateway rap fans.
Who never knew anything as it related to the actual culture of hiphop.

Bone's adamantium grip still is relevant to this day as of right now.
As twenty years later all of rap is basically a bone rehash on autotune.

Bone was so big.
that when they fell off as a draw in relation to Pac.
All resulting because of pisspoor solo submissions.
Which created a disconnect towards the fan base.
leading to them flocking to become standard Pac fans in oversaturated marketing bliss.

Most of pac's rabid fan base is trickled down from ruthless and priority fan base consisting of bone fans and defunct dead draw ice cub fans from Westside connection.
Who soon Pac melded the thug life and wcc direction as far thug marketing all the way to wcc Mecca envy based marketing resulting in pac's fabricated east west coast conflict.

All this is true - especially the bolded...but there were all kind of levels to how this came about,
which is why I can't say 100% that anybody "ran" 1995 the way we use "ran" today...

...if for no other reason than Manifest Destiny making that the first (and perhaps only) year Regional Rap was king in the 90s.

 

[Art Barr]

i'm actually a pac stan. Do you have a better source than riaa, And the link to soundscan?

We know you are Pac fan and I already disclosed you trying to over think yourself in delusion.
Bh trying to falsely credit big so you look false objective in these discussion but nobody is fooled.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

All this is true - especially the bolded...but there were all kind of levels to how this came about,
which is why I can't say 100% that anybody "ran" 1995 the way we use "ran" today...

...if for no other reason than Manifest Destiny making that the first (and perhaps only) year Regional Rap was king in the 90s.

Well since the culture was not recognized on a mainstream basis.
To the point culture based music and bboys/bgirls could never sway the public.
to what the real non violent scope of the culture of hiphop was.
amidst the prison industrial marketing and economic complex based rap.
I said bone ran it because bone had nikkaz entranced so hard in Mr ouiji and mo murder.
that they started to smoke weed, high grade weed as a constant.
As a matter of fact actual nikkaz smoking blunts and dro in general to the black community outside of hiphop grasp of weed came from bone. when originally gangsta did not smoke like that before the chronic and bone.
Plus, adopt a dress style, look and away to act based on. what they saw on tv and overprocessed violence in the hearth of the crack epidemic.
Forcing solid black life into the turmoil and misunderstanding based era we are in right now.
Bone pretty much was that group.
that started the fascination nation wide with being a thug for no reason.
Except emulating what was seen on MTV and heard on a rap record. As gateway fans listening to prison industrial based rap were gone in the fukk'n head and not knowing the culture of hiphop.
The prohibitive tale and cowboy edict were not recognized and ignored as a constant in the culture of hiphop at the time by gateway pop gangsta rap industrial complex based rap.
As real talk, in that era if you applied yourself.
you made it, because affirmative action existed in its original helpful discoveryzone based state.
So, a lot was lost and rolled over from bone.
that many people who are actually stans won't admit and expose their mind state was fukked up and gone rationally in that era.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Before bone, regular non-culturized based nikkaz.
really did not listen to rap and were not influenced by hiphop at all.
In 96 is when rap and gateway cultural ideas were marketed to the mainstream public as a science from Leo Burnett.
So, a lot was different and the ideals and even idea that regular people listened to rap back then did not exist at all.
The prison industrial complex and marketed gangsta rap was used as the gateway to this warped senseless violence mindstate.
That defied reason and was scapegoated onto the entire culture hiphop and business of rap erroneously.

Gangstas lol at nikka wearing girbauds and prep style clothing predating and jn 96, everyone soon adopted.
after toy fan in the influx of 93 till infinity also sharked and stole clothing and image ideas playing dress up from hiphop.
Before 92, regular nikkaz had no swag dressing and wore used damaged and towel coats.
shyt regular nikkaz before krs did not even know about the jordans either.
Regular nikkaz and general gangsta nikkaz were late and it was not poverty preventing them from being up.
It was a cultural difference and disconnect for regular people to the culture and people of actual hiphop.

It was not like now, where you walk down the street and see hiphop influence everything.
It was swaggerless as hell and people mistreated people who were in the culture of hiphop with derogatory names like backpacker and other bullshyt.
like lifting their knees high making fun of sendawg of cypress hill at the culture and the person in the culture's expense.
Those same people dissin would be the same clowns.
who try to tell you about rap when hiphop was mass marketed in 96.
When they know nuffin about the actual culture of hiphop to even speak on it. As they were and are still unknowing noob gateway non-cultured fans.

Who will ignore project pat a real nikka don't speak if he don't know level of thought..which is found in their genre.
Yet vastly ignored,...while also that style of music is derivative of bone as well.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I dont recall mentioning machine gun funk
What did snoop do in 1995 though?
Bone's album sold more (i always admitted that)
But besides 1st of the month and what were their moments in 1995?

Bone other than first of the month was not a day or afternoon generally marketed group or single release schedule group back then.
As the day time hiphop lives based radio programming nationally did not exist as a model at that exact time.
So trying to talk about videos and singles based on numbers are not indicative.

of what occurred with gateway fans in a mainstream based ideal.

I lived every bit of that shyt but if you or anyone is going to contest my proof then i'd expect more reliable proof from you. Do you have any?
I remember like yesterday,biggie running 1995 but i like to post documented facts. Link to soundscan?

You not even a bboy, so outside of mainstream rap.
How do you know what was going on culturally.
It is obvious from how you erroneously recall what happened.
You really don't know the culture of hiphop at all.
Nor, do you know the business of rap.
You have been completely inaccurate about this entire wrinkle of time.
from both sectors as a pop gateway fan to being a noob that does not know the culture of hiphop.
Yet here you are always trying to speak to me when anyone who really was a bboy in that era for real knows you don't know what you talembout. Especially since you keep trying to use jiggy sales based ideals to try to pander to big fans which is sus as hell..
All because you are a Pac fan trying to cast out a false image as objective. Yet you are doing the same thing Pac fans don't like jayz for and that is pandering to the contingent of pac fans after big and Pac passed. While trying to revise history like he was actually in extreme like of Pac and it is a bold faced culture thief based lie.

Art Barr

 

[Taadow]

I said bone ran it because bone had nikkaz entranced so hard in Mr ouiji and mo murder.
that they started to smoke weed, high grade weed as a constant.
As a matter of fact actual nikkaz smoking blunts and dro in general to the black community outside of hiphop grasp of weed came from bone. when originally gangsta did not smoke like that before the chronic and bone.
Plus, adopt a dress style, look and away to act based on. what they saw on tv and overprocessed violence in the hearth of the crack epidemic.
Forcing solid black life into the turmoil and misunderstanding based era we are in right now.
Bone pretty much was that group.
that started the fascination nation wide with being a thug for no reason.

This is a good point about what I mean...

Bone was definitely at the beginning of the Weed Boom, but around this time you had "5 On It", "Mad Izm", "Crumblin' Erb"
"Where Iz Da Bud" and folk talmbat smokin' Hay in the middle of the barn...it was a lot of people rappin' like that,
lookin' like that everywhere.

That's why imo the Bone vs. Twista & Do Or Die/Crucial Conflict/Triple Six/Tommie Wright battles are so understated.

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

This is a good point about what I mean...

Bone was definitely at the beginning of the Weed Boom, but around this time you had "5 On It", "Mad Izm", "Crumblin' Erb"
"Where Iz Da Bud" and folk talmbat smokin' Hay in the middle of the barn...it was a lot of people rappin' like that,
lookin' like that everywhere.

That's why imo the Bone vs. Twista & Do Or Die/Crucial Conflict/Triple Six/Tommie Wright battles are so understated.

What was the general consensus about three six mafia during 95/96?

 

[Art Barr]

wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? How old are you?

He is dead on and you are wrong and the links you posted to illustrate your point..highlight you were wrong as you posted MTV jams links and celeb interviews era yo MTV weekend or intermittent afternoon programming that was phased out after failing to bring back ed lover and Dr dre as the afternoon time scheduled host.
Plus I believe ted demme was possibly sick and not able to spearhead getting yo back to prominence as well.
When originally yo was only on because of ted demme making it his pet project that MTV somehow accepted.
Which would influence the entire station and its rubrick was lifted for other urban style shows.
as yo was phased out because of resulting low quality and poor programming and time slots.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

What was the general consensus about three six mafia during 95/96?

Culturally, they were hated and misunderstood for their triple six based marketing, and bone based direction. Which was juxtaposed from the culture's knowledge of self aesthetic and they developed a negative stigma culturally in that era.
Resulting in a draw in a grassroots niche manner.
Which would sell in their niche but outside of that culturally.
triple six, were villified because of the attachment to devil worship and being a violation culturally to knowledge of self principles.
The whole idea of them being urban horrorcore was not keyed in on and accepted at all culturally in actual hiphop.

Them being so hated is also why when I started to review southen rap and exclusively get a guilty pleasure from project pat.
Is how people probably thought I was crazy.
as I actually spoke on pat's technical aptitude in the triple six lifts DJ uneek sonic landscape lane. As pat brought a technical application of the slow flow.
to a product that sonically was atypically thought to be double time only.

Even my friends thought I was crazy.
to even ever listen to triple six and project pat on top of that.
Yet , I saw what was there and knew eventually.
mainstream rap would move from the nostalgia of trying to market itself as a cultural based music submission in general scope.
Back to the one syllable to double time non culture based gangsta rap aesthetic. Which soon occurred five years later and virtually swayed all of rap.
To compromise emo as a gangsta rap driven lane and direction as well.
To the point we are where we are now.


Art Barr

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

Culturally, they were hated and misunderstood for their triple six based marketing, and bone based direction. Which was juxtaposed from the culture's knowledge of self aesthetic and they developed a negative stigma culturally in that era.
Resulting in a draw in a grassroots niche manner.
Which would sell in their niche but outside of that culturally.
triple six, were villified because of the attachment to devil worship and being a violation culturally to knowledge of self principles.
The whole idea of them being urban horrorcore was not keyed in on and accepted at all culturally in actual hiphop.

Them being so hated is also why when I started to review southen rap and exclusively get a guilty pleasure from project pat.
Is how people probably thought I was crazy.
as I actually spoke on pat's technical aptitude in the triple six lifts DJ uneek sonic landscape lane. As pat brought a technical application of the slow flow.
to a product that sonically was atypically thought to be double time only.

Even my friends thought I was crazy.
to even ever listen to triple six and project pat on top of that.
Yet , I saw what was there and knew eventually.
mainstream rap would move from the nostalgia of trying to market itself as a cultural based music submission in general scope.
Back to the one syllable to double time non culture based gangsta rap aesthetic. Which soon occurred five years later and virtually swayed all of rap.
To compromise emo as a gangsta rap driven lane and direction as well.
To the point we are where we are now.


Art Barr

That's crazy because a lot of new shyt sounds like three six mafia.

I don't get why Memphis was on that devil shyt so much though.

Dope you guys got to witness hip hop like that. I was only like 5 during that time lol.

 

[Art Barr]

That's crazy because a lot of new shyt sounds like three six mafia.

I don't get why Memphis was on that devil shyt so much though.

Dope you guys got to witness hip hop like that. I was only like 5 during that time lol.

Imo, the kids raised by bone fans have bone in their subconscious DNA so hardcore from bone in that era.
That they can't help but make everything music related to be about bone in some fashion.
That is how in regular general aesthetic outside the culture of hiphop that bone dominated as a draw.


Art Barr

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Bruh we talked about Big all day down South.

Pac was an after thought when he was in jail. He still had bangers like So Many Tears but Big and Junior Mafia was everywhere in 95

You don't know what you're talking about. Me Against the World was the #1 album in the country with no promotion and Pac locked up. His first interview after he got out he was laughing bout it.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Dope soundtrack that doesn't get enough mention

I had this on repeat.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

You havent posted any proof,outside of those wack azz moments you think nikkas cared about...Snoop was bigger with nikkas than Michael Jackson,damn near sold as much as the king of pop and was gearing up for the most anticipated followup of all time....Biggie was still a rookie and a singles artist where people knew the singles more than they knew or cared about him....he didnt get big like that until Pac made him famous and forced the east coast media and its fans to cling and rally around him stronger than ever...plus most those singles u listin for Biggie as "moments" was run of the mil shyt in 95,nikkas wasnt stuntin no Warning or machine Gun Funk like that...thats what got u sayin it was Biggies year over snoop or Bone my nikka?

The fukk they wasn't


Because they definitely were in baltimore. If you're on west coast I'll let it slide but otherwise you might just have bad taste