Oldheads who ran 1995: biggie or tupac

[Still Benefited]

Snoop's run was better. You are right and snoop also ran 1994. But biggie clearly ran 1995

You havent posted any proof,outside of those wack azz moments you think nikkas cared about...Snoop was bigger with nikkas than Michael Jackson,damn near sold as much as the king of pop and was gearing up for the most anticipated followup of all time....Biggie was still a rookie and a singles artist where people knew the singles more than they knew or cared about him....he didnt get big like that until Pac made him famous and forced the east coast media and its fans to cling and rally around him stronger than ever...plus most those singles u listin for Biggie as "moments" was run of the mil shyt in 95,nikkas wasnt stuntin no Warning or machine Gun Funk like that...thats what got u sayin it was Biggies year over snoop or Bone my nikka?

 

[Art Barr]

At that time in 1996, the perception of lack of quality music is mostly due to the whole Civil War that was going on between the east and west coast and using Pac & Biggie as representatives of a beef that was already brewing and just exploded in '96. But when it came to the MUSIC.... some of the best music of that DECADE and maybe the last year of a large mass amount of classic albums came from 1996. Today, in fact, marks the 20th anniversary of both "Stakes is High" & "It was Written". If you really look at all the albums that came out that year: All Eyez On Me & Makaveli, The Score, Geto Boy's Resurrection, The Root's Illadelph halflife, Beats Rhymes and Life, ATLiens, UGK's Ridin' Dirty, Hell on Earth, Too $hort's Gettin' It, Reasonable Doubt, Soul on Ice, Kollege, Heltak Skeltah's Nocturnal & OGC's Da Storm, Ironman, Westside Connection, America Is Dying Slowly, Losy Boyz Legal Drug Money, Muddy Waters, Busta's The Coming.....and a lot of stuff I left out, you really cannot be serious of it being a WEAK year musically at all.... especially the DRASTIC change in quality that following year in 1997... and that's due to the combination of both 'pac's and Biggie's murders and Telecommunications Act of 1996 which pretty much CRIPPLED hip hop that we know it. And that following year, 1997, was the real start of the beginning of weak material being released.

In 96, the lull from the coming to resurrection as quality releases was five months apart from January to the spring of 96.
The summer held promise in 96 and the fugess dominated.
Yet, 96 as far as great material it was scarce in relation to previous years. That 96 seems like the cut off point for majors before labels launched with lower quality rap being released.


Art Barr

 

[HoLLaBaCK]

NY was a niche radio programming market then.
As nationally rap was not added to national playlist.
as a rule or addition as a consistent science till 96 and the explosion of the hiphop lives radio stations nationally.

Previously Pac, was one of the very few nationally played daytime rap artist with I get around.

In that era, deep covers, they want efx and cream were all slow burn singles added in the spring of 93
well after their explosion as grassroots drawing singles that earned their way through slow burn to a changing daytime playlist format in radio.
Pac was one of the very few daytime draw and bds playlist added songs.
Back when rap was not really played during daytime playlists.

That is how much bigger Pac was than big.
As big was not a daytime bds playlist played artist like pac with big poppa. Big poppa had morning playlist spins from tom Joyner because of who and what tom Joyner is.
Yet outside of that big was not spun consistently at all in a daytime format for juicy or big poppa.

Pac was much larger and was even a daytime playlist artist with the edgy I get around as a single.
Back when they did not play rap during the daytime outside of like heavy d.

That is how much larger a draw Pac was in relation to big whom was just starting out.


Art Barr

shyt they still play I get around.
as a daytime bds playlist record based off its first Gen numbers.

I get around, is still one of the original daytime gangsta rap artist record ever programmed.

How does that explain BIGs dominance on MTV and BET?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Bone is all i need to put like I said earlier.
Yet since you skim you missed that part.
just like this time in history and relevance as well.
Pac was a bigger draw than big on a mainstream level and bone was the largest draw on a mainstream level with first of the month and e1999.
Until dear mama came and crushed the buildings.

Yes, one mo chance rocked hard as hell and so did the remixes sns it was a welcome addition to hear a more cultural based artist like big instead of non-culture connected artist in a pop context.
Yet and still it does not mean big superceded the draws of bone and Pac then.
Big drew and put the east coast on the map.
as far as a pop mainstream gangsta rap act as a draw with some cultural context.
Yet and still regular rap fans were larger fans in bulk of bone and then Pac.
Then Pac exclusively was the largest draw when dear mama rocked.


Art Barr

Lmao i love bone and their album was definitely the biggest but all you posted was a single video. And pac was my idol, and his album rocked more and was selling faster. But that aint the question. The question is who ran 1995 and the answer is this guy right here


























You nikkas must be getting high

 

[gluvnast]

@bigbadbossup2012, I hope you DO realize the difference between RIAA shipping platinum vs Nielson Soundscan SELLING platinum, right? Just because Ready to Die was SHIPPED a million copies to stores and radio stations and such does not EQUATE to how much the people actually PURCHASED. You trying to point at what the RIAA stated which most of the time is in accurate, for instance.... RIAA certified Ready to Die as being 4 times platinum to date, when in actuality it's 3.3 million sold to date based on soundscsan which is more accurate.

The fact you trying to go off websites links to prove it instead versus people that LIVED IT.... really exposes your lack of knowledge. @Art Barr is accurate in what he is saying.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You havent posted any proof,outside of those wack azz moments you think nikkas cared about...Snoop was bigger with nikkas than Michael Jackson,damn near sold as much as the king of pop and was gearing up for the most anticipated followup of all time....Biggie was still a rookie and a singles artist where people knew the singles more than they knew or cared about him....he didnt get big like that until Pac made him famous and forced the east coast media and its fans to cling and rally around him stronger than ever...plus most those singles u listin for Biggie as "moments" was run of the mil shyt in 95,nikkas wasnt stuntin no Warning or machine Gun Funk like that...thats what got u sayin it was Biggies year over snoop or Bone my nikka?

I dont recall mentioning machine gun funk
What did snoop do in 1995 though?
Bone's album sold more (i always admitted that)
But besides 1st of the month and what were their moments in 1995?

 

[gluvnast]

In 96, the lull from the coming to resurrection as quality releases was five months apart from January to the spring of 96.
The summer held promise in 96 and the fugess dominated.
Yet, 96 as far as great material it was scarce in relation to previous years. That 96 seems like the cut off point for majors before labels launched with lower quality rap being released.


Art Barr

We may have to agree to disagree on that one because I felt it was 97 due to the murders and the Telecommunications Act. We went from classic shyt from to straight up shyt the following year. Too much Missy and Puffy and Master P.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@bigbadbossup2012, I hope you DO realize the difference between RIAA shipping platinum vs Nielson Soundscan SELLING platinum, right? Just because Ready to Die was SHIPPED a million copies to stores and radio stations and such does not EQUATE to how much the people actually PURCHASED. You trying to point at what the RIAA stated which most of the time is in accurate, for instance.... RIAA certified Ready to Die as being 4 times platinum to date, when in actuality it's 3.3 million sold to date based on soundscsan which is more accurate.

The fact you trying to go off websites links to prove it instead versus people that LIVED IT.... really exposes your lack of knowledge. @Art Barr is accurate in what he is saying.

I lived every bit of that shyt but if you or anyone is going to contest my proof then i'd expect more reliable proof from you. Do you have any?
I remember like yesterday,biggie running 1995 but i like to post documented facts. Link to soundscan?

 

[gluvnast]

How does that explain BIGs dominance on MTV and BET?

Biggie DIDN'T dominate MTC and BET in 1995. Yo! MTV Raps was becoming obsolete at that time and Rap City was very much balanced with everyone. People are being real revisionist right now.

 

[gluvnast]

I lived every bit of that shyt but if you or anyone is going to contest my proof then i'd expect more reliable proof from you. Do you have any?
I remember like yesterday,biggie running 1995 but i like to post documented facts. Link to soundscan?

You posted an inaccurate post because RIAA DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR NUMBER OF ALBUMS SOLD. It only accounts to how many albums that are shipped to stores and to radio stations. So... again, you show actual proof. You the one hell bent to use SALES as a proof that someone was "running" hip hop in 1995... while dismissing the BIGGEST commercially successful artist of that year Coolio. Maybe you're a Biggie stan.. I dunno.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

You posted an inaccurate post because RIAA DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR NUMBER OF ALBUMS SOLD. It only accounts to how many albums that are shipped to stores and to radio stations. So... again, you show actual proof. You the one hell bent to use SALES as a proof that someone was "running" hip hop in 1995... while dismissing the BIGGEST commercially successful artist of that year Coolio. Maybe you're a Biggie stan.. I dunno.

i'm actually a pac stan. Do you have a better source than riaa, And the link to soundscan?

 

[HoLLaBaCK]

Biggie DIDN'T dominate MTC and BET in 1995. Yo! MTV Raps was becoming obsolete at that time and Rap City was very much balanced with everyone. People are being real revisionist right now.

I disagree, Big Poppa, One More Chance & Players Anthem got played all the time.

Biggie had the better year IMO.

How the fukk u gonna say people are revisionist? Where u with me...did u experience what I experienced? It's all opinion and from my eyes I thought he not only had a better year than Pac...but just about every other rapper out as well.

All this shyt is subjective...Like I said in my post, IM from NY...so that u could understand that I was heavily bombared with BIGs music as well as video's. So naturally I would think BIG had the better year.

 

[gluvnast]

I disagree, Big Poppa, One More Chance & Players Anthem got played all the time.

Biggie had the better year IMO.

How the fukk u gonna say people are revisionist? Where u with me...did u experience what I experienced? It's all opinion and from my eyes I thought he not only had a better year than Pac...but just about every other rapper out as well.

All this shyt is subjective...Like I said in my post, IM from NY...so that u could understand that I was heavily bombared with BIGs music as well as video's. So naturally I would think BIG had the better year.

It's revisionist because claimed it was getting heavy rotation on MTV when back in those days it was still HARD AF for black music to get any rotation ON MTV except for Yo! MTV Raps and that show was on its last leg. During 1995, the vast majority of HIP HOP was on Rap City to which was very BALANCED in its rotation of videos. And if you are speaking on radio, this was BEFORE the Telecommunications Act of 1996, so most of the radio were mainly mom and pop LOCAL stations. So to even make that claim is INDEED revisionist. You mean to tell me that Biggie was getting that love out in the WEST in '95? I seriously say not true. Or even down south for that matter. The song that got nationwide reception was "One More Chance" remix. Everything else were moderate hits but not as huge as that single. But in 1995, a GANG of rappers were having moderate hits. So to base ANY of this by charts or sales is false and revisionist. You have to base it on what the streets been receptive with.

EDIT.... and you being from NYC, it would be logical for you to feel that way. I'm from Oklahoma originally, but was living and traveling EVERYWHERE around the nation that year of 1995. And one of the biggest complaints by people from the west was the fact that NYC was in its own little bubble and they rarely, (the stations that is), show love out west or down south. Which was part of the fueling of the coastal beef.

 

[Screwface Exchange]

......I'm a big wu tang fan but please........we need an age check in this thread....

Age check ur rass, only built dropped dat yr, liquid swords, ol dirty shimmy shimmy. Wu tang was every where dat yr. Otherwise, Bones thugs was Killin it too.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

It's revisionist because claimed it was getting heavy rotation on MTV when back in those days it was still HARD AF for black music to get any rotation ON MTV except for Yo! MTV Raps .

wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? How old are you?