Oldheads who ran 1995: biggie or tupac

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It slowed burned to quadruple plat but who's disputing that. It was plat pretty swiftly which was pretty good. Also my stance was never soley based on RTD albums sales if you been reading the thread
Big sold like 2 million more copies of RTD after he died but digress..

The question I have is how did Big run 1995? I always thought Biggie was nice but I never thought he was running anything (maybe on the East Coast but in the south, it didn't seem like it), until his Life after Death singles were getting played like crazy; same way with Pac and All Eyez on Me. Where I'm from, Biggie wasn't on the radio like that. One More Change remix got spins but I only remember most of his singles from BET, but again, this was when radio was mostly regional. Like I said, if we are going on sales, Biggie was outsold by plenty until Life after Death.
 

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In addition to the real nikka facts i layed down,my stance was never soley based on albums sales are even personal sales. Bone and pac were bigger.
However Biggie was overall bigger. for the following reasons


nikkas need to understand that biggie had one of the greatest singles/features runs ever for that time and anytime before him.
Every single from rtd was a classic with classic video to match.
Juicy's reign was more of a 94' thang.
But then came
Big poppa
Total's can't you see
Craig mack's flavor in your ear remix
Jr mafia's players anthem
One more chance remix
Warning
Jr mafia's get money
On top of that he was on Michael jackson's album
Did "runnin" with pac,stretch and dramacydal
Did Da b side with da brat (whom was huge coming off funkdafied and give it to you,first plat female solo rapper)
Also had dropped who shot ya.
nikka was on fire


That was more in a cultural sense and it also was overprocessed.
All because of where most pr outlets for music was located which was out east.
Plus those eastern based outlets were all cultural driven that spoke in rap favorably.
Tupac was still the larger artist and had a larger legacy draw and reach.
People in pr and because of big's cultural connection because of coast.
created a false amplification of big's permeation.
Yet he was never as large a draw as ruthless/priority or interscope based gangsta rap west coast locale artists.

It is just the truth the prison industrial model overswelled the grassroots draw of rap and its resulting sales.
Big was a more culturally accepted artist and his numbers during the original sales envelope of rtd, and the singles were smaller in sales and permeation than west coast ruthless and interscope artist.

The cultural connection big had because of locale aided him to draw and be given distinction to rival west coast acts as an alternative.
Yet big was never a higher draw than those ruthless or interscope artists.

Big was lower in cultural distinction than Wu.
Yet higher in cultural distinction than tupac or ruthless to interscooe gangsta rap groups.
Big had a higher draw than mobb deep but a lesser cultural connection than the qtip approved mobb deep.
Big had a higher draw in the mainstream but a lowr cultural draw and connection than jeru and nas.

As cultural connection, had nuffin to do with sales but the culture of hiphop.
Yet the culture of hiphop was smaller in number than the typical mainstream westcoast gangsta rap fan bases.

Meaning there were larger fans of bone, and Pac.
Than there were of the combined cultural driven fanbases of mobb deep, biggie, Wu, and nas.

People in the real world did not know who the culture based artist were at all.

Just like now, actually....
The culture was invisible till 96 to regular gateway mainstream gangsta rap fans or pop fans.
As gangsta rap is the gateway mainstream pop draw for rap music in that era.
Especially once NWA visited the white house after straight outta Compton the video debuted on 20\20.


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It's crazy that dumb wack nikkas that make songs like this in 2011
GOD EMPEROR : CHRIST HEIR

Act as if biggie going gold in a few months is far fetched,meanwhile other new acts such as outkast,warren g,da brat and Bone all went gold or more in 3-4 months. Everybody that made a splash besides nas for the most part. Well i guess because illmatic's superiority is a myth
 

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Juicy was the shyt where i'm from,i believe he went gold that quick. Spread sheets documents from Riaa.com >> bum ass rappers with big mouths opinions

This is why I know you don't know this shyt.
All because it is well known the riaa website is not wholly accurrste.

Which were topics of discussion on sohh close back when it was in its earlier year.
I know so because I was on the net working for the provider.
Way before riaa had a website and also writing reviews and commenting before this time period.
Plus my fukk'n next door neighbor definitely hipped me to all the riaa issues converting to online.
as she was the a&r on control rhythm nation and the a&r who worked to even get gangstar cert'd for the single with jojo/kci and the subsequent album as well.
That I even remember her telling me about how gangstar earned their certs.
Again like I said, you don't know this shyt like that, breh.

You just a cliche gangsta rap fan,...you not poppin like that.
nikkaz be Pac clone war stans and be trying to save face and look objective.
So they don't get called a Pac clone war Stan.
who hates big and tries to over think his answer and sides with big to this and you still wrong as fukk.

We get it you like pac but you don't have to like big.
You so busy trying to look right you always wrong as fukk.

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Big sold like 2 million more copies of RTD after he died but digress..

The question I have is how did Big run 1995?.
nikka i know how much his album sold while he was alive and after death. If i was solely going off that,naw i wouldnt give it him.
But i've already outlined why but will reup for your viewing pleasure

nikkas need to understand that biggie had one of the greatest singles/features runs ever for that time and anytime before him.
Every single from rtd was a classic with classic video to match.
Juicy's reign was more of a 94' thang.
But then came
Big poppa
Total's can't you see
Craig mack's flavor in your ear remix
Jr mafia's players anthem
One more chance remix
Warning
Jr mafia's get money
On top of that he was on Michael jackson's album
Did "runnin" with pac,stretch and dramacydal
Did Da b side with da brat (whom was huge coming off funkdafied and give it to you,first plat female solo rapper)

Now name a mother fukker that did better and i'll fall back
 

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@Art Barr None of that shyt you talking is dispelling anything and rather pointless. You nor anyone can drop a list of shyt from 95' that trumps biggie's moments. If you can,show me
Every single from rtd was a classic with classic video to match.
Juicy's reign was more of a 94' thang.
But then came
Big poppa
Total's can't you see
Craig mack's flavor in your ear remix
Jr mafia's players anthem
One more chance remix
Warning
Jr mafia's get money
On top of that he was on Michael jackson's album
Did "runnin" with pac,stretch and dramacydal
Did Da b side with da brat (whom was huge coming off funkdafied and give it to you,first plat female solo rapper)
 

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It's crazy that dumb wack nikkas that make songs like this in 2011
GOD EMPEROR : CHRIST HEIR

Act as if biggie going gold in a few months is far fetched,meanwhile other new acts such as outkast,warren g,da brat and Bone all went gold or more in 3-4 months. Everybody that made a splash besides nas for the most part. Well i guess because illmatic's superiority is a myth


Epmd went gold in thirty days.
Yet, big did not sell well out the gate with rtd and big poppa was gold as a single.
before rtd was gold as an album.
Originally before one mo chance the maxi single.
Big was stuck at gold for rtd and big poppa sold platinum.
Similar to biz markie who had a platinum single.
Yet sued for the platinum single and the lower selling album and the subsequent release of all samples cleared.
Which is why one mo chance the remix needed to drop to create linkage.
to the next album product and to re-invigorate the draw for big.
As he had up'd skill on big poppa.
Yet the other albums records outside of big poppa and unbelievable did not illustrate big's growth vocally and as a quality vocal product.
As big was offkey for every record on rtd.
except bjg poppa and the last record made on rtd, in unbelieveable.
That lack in vocal quality and vocal tonality created a disconnect. especially with nas ushering in the technical revolution in illmatic in 94, culturally.
Which eventually forced offkey rappers and styles war rappers into being defunct.
Especially as the culture was being marketed heavily from Leo Burnett moving forward.
Which is also why big gained more traction because he showed a ability to ramp in skills during the technical revolution ushered in by nas with illmatic.
Plus, despite puff still maintained some semblance of cultural integrity somewhat.
Which could not be questioned by a west coast prison industrial artist.
Which is why Pac was going to and did align with bcc. to bolster his cultural standing amidst and after his fabricated beef with bad boy. His unfortunate death saved bcc and busta rhymes from being questioned culturally as well.
Yet you are a Pac clone war Stan and you should know how all the Pac unreleased cultural connection based Content work ties into his mythos.

Art Barr
 
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NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: ONE MORE CHANGE
Certification Date: July 31, 1995
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: SINGLE
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Release Date.June 2, 1995
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 1 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
Platinum | July 31, 1995
Gold | July 31, 1995

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NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: READY TO DIE
Certification Date:October 19, 1999
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: ALBUM
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Release Date.September 13, 1994
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 4 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
4x Multi-Platinum | October 19, 1999
3x Multi-Platinum | August 26, 1998
2x Multi-Platinum | October 16, 1995
Platinum | March 14, 1995
Gold | November 16, 1994

Rtd was plat before one more chance remix existed
 

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@Art Barr None of that shyt you talking is dispelling anything and rather pointless. You nor anyone can drop a list of shyt from 95' that trumps biggie's moments. If you can,show me
Every single from rtd was a classic with classic video to match.
Juicy's reign was more of a 94' thang.
But then came
Big poppa
Total's can't you see
Craig mack's flavor in your ear remix
Jr mafia's players anthem
One more chance remix
Warning
Jr mafia's get money
On top of that he was on Michael jackson's album
Did "runnin" with pac,stretch and dramacydal
Did Da b side with da brat (whom was huge coming off funkdafied and give it to you,first plat female solo rapper)
No one will create a list of another artist that's better from 1995. Till then i'm right
 

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@Art Barr None of that shyt you talking is dispelling anything and rather pointless. You nor anyone can drop a list of shyt from 95' that trumps biggie's moments. If you can,show me
Every single from rtd was a classic with classic video to match.
Juicy's reign was more of a 94' thang.
But then came
Big poppa
Total's can't you see
Craig mack's flavor in your ear remix
Jr mafia's players anthem
One more chance remix
Warning
Jr mafia's get money
On top of that he was on Michael jackson's album
Did "runnin" with pac,stretch and dramacydal
Did Da b side with da brat (whom was huge coming off funkdafied and give it to you,first plat female solo rapper)


Hordes of rappers had great single runs who were culturally accepted.
That does not mean to general fans they were a larger draw.
The singles to cypress hill on the first album are the best single release schedule of all time.
They even won the billboard award as the rap group of the year.
Yet, no one at that time even knew they were a west coast group.
They culturally were a large draw and budding.
Same as the connection with big and his draw from his singles.
He still was not a larger draw than Pac in 95.
As dear mama came out and overshadowed any and everything and was hot shot into mtv's over saturation method.
Coupled with mtv's fascination with his pr and incidents predating the sexual misconduct issues.

At that point big was not even a big feature in magazines.
Pac changed the entire direction of vibe magazine from a rnb mag that was distinctly against rap to a strictly rap mag.
They had to launch and head fake like a cultural publication after originally denouncing rap.
Pac was bigger than big in 95 and was already an established movie star and had two platinum albums in a slow burn era.
Plus was really good about following up his albums and his permeation and image in pr. Pac's had a clear Headstart over big and was platinum in two different sonic landscapes before bjg had an album.
Plus, was on interscope.
Big was just the fringe cultural artist with some really good singles and an outdated delivery and album from the styles war era production wise as well. Which was outdated in 1994 as well.
As big's content and direction to toe the line on the cowboy edict and jiggyism.
Made him a questionable draw culturally and Pac was angling on using bcc and busta.
to marginalize big culturally as far as connection and relevancy.
, if pac would have lived and gotten off of death row.
You are trying to over process big's draw to the erroneous levels of his post humous draw and it is not accurrate.

Art Barr
 

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Big's so called time was only two smash singles at that time.
As rtd was a slow burn seller and one mo chance the remix was not included on rtd.
The way people have misconstrued this whole mythos and time period is a lie.

Anyone overly infatuated with big and Pac then were gAteway fan noobs and far from cultural.

As 95 was the precursor to 96 the worst release year of the nineties.
Both years were anemiac as far as releases and eventually that same lack of quality releases and mainstreaming of rap lead to its degradation to eventually where we are now.


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Except the statement of 96 the worst release year.... (that would be 1997, IMO)... this is all absolute facts.
 

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NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: ONE MORE CHANGE
Certification Date: July 31, 1995
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: SINGLE
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Release Date.June 2, 1995
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 1 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
Platinum | July 31, 1995
Gold | July 31, 1995

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NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: READY TO DIE
Certification Date:October 19, 1999
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: ALBUM
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Release Date.September 13, 1994
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 4 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
4x Multi-Platinum | October 19, 1999
3x Multi-Platinum | August 26, 1998
2x Multi-Platinum | October 16, 1995
Platinum | March 14, 1995
Gold | November 16, 1994

Rtd was plat before one more chance remix existed


See this is how I know you are wrong.
During the original sales envelope of one mo chance it was always given distinction as going double platinum selling originally a million more records in cert over rtd which was dead locked at platinum.
If you look at the cert in the riaa site it only says it is plat.
Which means the cert for double plat on one mo chance was a shipped double plat and not certified.
Then when you check the website link you posted.
made much later in time to the original cert of one nor chance.
It says one mo chance only went platinum one time.

Like I said you are wrong and the online riaa website has always had errors and this is one of them.
As the cert for rtd has a four time cert which is a cumulative count of rtd sales from the big's death post humously and sales certified after the internet explosion and creation of the riaa website.


Again like I told you,...you are wrong.

As originally when one mo chance was platinum.
Rtd was only dead locked as a gold selling album in its original sales envelope. Then after one mo chance did numbers.
It was well after big's death from the emotional sway and windfall of his passing did rtd go multi platinum.

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Except the statement of 96 the worst release year.... (that would be 1997, IMO)... this is all absolute facts.


97, was just more of the same from 96.
With even lesser quality than they ushered to us in low volume but real talk...
Only real highlight to 97, was universal magnetic vinyl and step into the world.
If j remember right the black star magazine bdp remix vinyl came out that year, too.

97 was 96 to be continued, so I can see how you said 97.

The late nineties from 95 till pretty much sucked as far as quality releases.

96 was that beginning to the end, tho.


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See this is how I know you are wrong.
During the original sales envelope of one mo chance it was always given distinction as going double platinum selling originally a million more records in cert over rtd which was dead locked at platinum.
If you look at the cert in the riaa site it only says it is play.
Which means the cert for double play on one mo chance was a shipped double plat and not certified.
Then when you check the website link you posted.
made much late run time to the original cert of one nor chance.
It says one mo chance only went platinum one time.

Like I said you are wrong and the online riaa website has always had errors and this is one of them.
As the cert for rtd has a four time cert which is a cumulative count of rtd sales from the big's death post humously and sales certified after the internet explosion and creation of the road website.


Again like I told you,...you are wrong.

As originally when one mo chance was platinum.
Rtd was only dead locked as a gold selling album in its original sales envelope. Then after one mo chance did numbers.
It was well after big's death from the emotional sway and windfall of his passing did rtd go multi platinum.

Art Barr
Lmao i have shown proof,where's yours ?
 
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