Oldheads who ran 1995: biggie or tupac

[Knicksman20]

And that caused a lot of jealousy with artists & cliques taking shots at Big

 

[Art Barr]

Pac was bigger but 95 was the year culture based groups with street content started to ramp in a pop drawing sentiment.
So, really 95 was more about mobb deep and later the summer was raekwon.
Pac popped off with his boom in draw after that.
Before that Pac had closet fans and hordes of white fans as well.

Pac was not big like how the mythos says he was in 95.
It was just beginning in that year to become the Stan based draw.
Regular nikkaz did not even really listen to rap like that then as well.
As this was before Leo Burnett caught fire-fire marketing hiphop to the mainstream as well.
95, was the third year toys tried to play dress up and assimilate and later in 96 in the marketing boom of rap and the culture is when regular people became fans as Pac was their gateway artist and why the ignorance to the culture became and is so pronounced.

Toys barely knew what girbaud was prior to this and were just trying to get on lo till they ruined the posh school boy labels like lo..which eventually made nautica and Tommy extinct.


95 was totally different and the precursor to the next worst year in rap releases since 83 -85 in 1996.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

95 was the year of Biggie. 2Pac still dropped the best album that year, Me Against the World, but 95 was Big's year all the way.

Big's so called time was only two smash singles at that time.
As rtd was a slow burn seller and one mo chance the remix was not included on rtd.
The way people have misconstrued this whole mythos and time period is a lie.

Anyone overly infatuated with big and Pac then were gAteway fan noobs and far from cultural.

As 95 was the precursor to 96 the worst release year of the nineties.
Both years were anemiac as far as releases and eventually that same lack of quality releases and mainstreaming of rap lead to its degradation to eventually where we are now.


Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Big's so called time was only two smash singles at that time.
As rtd was a slow burn seller and one mo chance the remix was not included on rtd.
The way people have misconstrued this whole mythos and time period is a lie.

Anyone overly infatuated with big and Pac then were gAteway fan noobs and far from cultural.

As 95 was the precursor to 96 the worst release year of the nineties.
Both years were anemiac as far as releases and eventually that same lack of quality releases and mainstreaming of rap lead to its degradation to eventually where we are now.


Art Barr

And this is why nikkas shouldnt believe nikkas simply because they write long drawn out speeches.
Biggie was clearly the 95' don and the evidence is in this thread courtesy of yours truly and a few others.

 

[Art Barr]

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And this is why nikkas shouldnt believe nikkas simply because they write long drawn out speeches.
Biggie was clearly the 95' don and the evidence is in this thread courtesy of yours truly and a few others.

Big was never more popular than Pac.
In 95, mobb deep and rae were making their way and big was coming on after big poppa drew heavily for the time and the region given the climate for predominately west coast non culturally associated gangsta rap.
one mo chance was giving big an elongated draw after big poppa.
A draw that tailed off on rtd, the album being a slow burn seller.

One mo chance at that time sold in its original envelope platinum. close to double plat in singles as a maxi single and did not bolster the original envelope sales of rtd much.
As one mo chance was a maxi single and posted higher numbers than the gold album sales of rtd and the gold big poppa single combined.
Eventually rtd reached platinum in slow burn well after that from the trickle down of fan interest in one mo chance.
Yet big's up in skill vocal tonality wise was to distinct from rtd to one mo chance and created fan disconnect.
Which is why remix records with big after one mo chance.
would also draw heavily as they featured the same vocal quality of one mo chance the remix maxi single release

Pac was still larger than big and always a larger draw than big.
Big never pulled up on Pac's draw.
He just had a higher propensity to garner culture cosign and pr being recognized as a east coast artist.
Yet big was an mca modeled artist and always caught flack because of puff's sellout ideals, culturally.
Plus big's west coast based content and direction alienated the culture in some form as well.
which was from pac's influence and actual skill set big leaned on.
The whole wholehearted acceptance of big and Pac culturally all the way.
did not happen till much later after their deaths.
As both draws for each artist big and Pac were amplified from their death.
Yet Pac was always a larger draw with any and every demographic of fan than big.
As both were polarizing and both viewed as cultural fringe artist. who also pandered to the underground to save face culturally.

You are just a noob gateway rap fan breh.

You speak from just a pop gateway fan perspective.
you don't know the culture like that and you definitely don't know the complexion of the time culturally or in a general fan basis like:



Art Barr

 

[soulfuljah]

And this is why nikkas shouldnt believe nikkas simply because they write long drawn out speeches.
Biggie was clearly the 95' don and the evidence is in this thread courtesy of yours truly and a few others.

Crazy thing...Art ain't lying....

Ready to Die was a slow burn, as far as record sales are concerned. Using the metric that you gave regarding Snoop and Nas:

Creepin On Ah Come Up
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4x Multi-Platinum | December 4, 1995
3x Multi-Platinum | March 31, 1995
2x Multi-Platinum | December 2, 1994
Platinum | September 21, 1994
Gold | September 21, 1994

Ready to Die
---------------------
2x Multi-Platinum | October 16, 1995
Platinum | March 14, 1995
Gold | November 16, 1994

Big sold more albums dead than alive...

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Crazy thing...Art ain't lying....

Ready to Die was a slow burn, as far as record sales are concerned. Using the metric that you gave regarding Snoop and Nas:

Creepin On Ah Come Up
----------------------
4x Multi-Platinum | December 4, 1995
3x Multi-Platinum | March 31, 1995
2x Multi-Platinum | December 2, 1994
Platinum | September 21, 1994
Gold | September 21, 1994

Ready to Die
---------------------
2x Multi-Platinum | October 16, 1995
Platinum | March 14, 1995
Gold | November 16, 1994

Big sold more albums dead than alive...

It slowed burned to quadruple plat but who's disputing that. It was plat pretty swiftly which was pretty good. Also my stance was never soley based on RTD albums sales if you been reading the thread

 

[LEEeveryday]

Bone was a beast...

Wu tang was strong as hell...

I listened to these albums daily!

Dear Mama was popping then

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@Art Barr


Big was never more popular than Pac.

The thread is about who ran 1995. Many people were bigger than big but they didnt run 1995,big did


In 95, mobb deep and rae were making their way and big was coming on after big poppa drew heavily for the time and the region given the climate for predominately west coast non culturally associated gangsta rap.
one mo chance was giving big an elongated draw after big poppa.
A draw that tailed off on rtd, the album being a slow burn seller.

One mo chance at that time sold in its original envelope platinum. close to double plat in singles as a maxi single and did not bolster the original envelope sales of rtd much.
As one mo chance was a maxi single and posted higher numbers than the gold album sales of rtd and the gold big poppa single combined.
Eventually rtd reached platinum in slow burn well after that from the trickle down of fan interest in one mo chance.

I'd expect you to have your facts straight. RTD was platinum before One more chance dropped. And Big Poppa/Warning single was also platinum by that time. So he had a platinum album,plat single and a gold single by the time one more chance came out. His album would only reach double plat prior to death which is great evidence that it wasnt all about One more chance and the previous singles also played a great part


Yet big's up in skill vocal tonality wise was to distinct from rtd to one mo chance and created fan disconnect.
Which is why remix records with big after one mo chance.
would also draw heavily as they featured the same vocal quality of one mo chance the remix maxi single release

Pac was still larger than big and always a larger draw than big.
Big never pulled up on Pac's draw.
He just had a higher propensity to garner culture cosign and pr being recognized as a east coast artist.
Yet big was an mca modeled artist and always caught flack because of puff's sellout ideals, culturally.
Plus big's west coast based content and direction alienated the culture in some form as well.
which was from pac's influence and actual skill set big leaned on.
The whole wholehearted acceptance of big and Pac culturally all the way.
did not happen till much later after their deaths.
As both draws for each artist big and Pac were amplified from their death.
Yet Pac was always a larger draw with any and every demographic of fan than big.
As both were polarizing and both viewed as cultural fringe artist. who also pandered to the underground to save face culturally.

You are just a noob gateway rap fan breh.

You speak from just a pop gateway fan perspective.
you don't know the culture like that and you definitely don't know the complexion of the time culturally or in a general fan basis like:


Everything else you said is pointless GIbberish and doesnt dispel my truth at all

NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: BIG POPPA/WARNING
Certification Date: May 23, 1995
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: SINGLE
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Release Date.December 30, 1994
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 1 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
Platinum | May 23, 1995
Gold | March 1, 1995

NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: JUICY
Certification Date:November 8, 1994
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: SINGLE
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Release Date.August 5, 1994
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 0.5 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
Gold | November 8, 1994

NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: ONE MORE CHANGE
Certification Date: July 31, 1995
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: SINGLE
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Release Date.June 2, 1995
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 1 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
Platinum | July 31, 1995
Gold | July 31, 1995

NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
Title: READY TO DIE
Certification Date:October 19, 1999
Label: BAD BOY/ARISTA
Format: ALBUM
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Release Date.September 13, 1994
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 4 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
4x Multi-Platinum | October 19, 1999
3x Multi-Platinum | August 26, 1998
2x Multi-Platinum | October 16, 1995
Platinum | March 14, 1995
Gold | November 16, 1994

 

[karim]

Ran shyt with one single... OK.

The people who weren't really there always expose themselves...

I was there, you obviously weren't, otherwise you'd know that yes, it was that big of a single. Biggie's year was 97, in 95 other people were bigger than him.

 

[Art Barr]

@Art Barr


Big was never more popular than Pac.

The thread is about who ran 1995. Many people were bigger than big but they didnt run 1995,big did


In 95, mobb deep and rae were making their way and big was coming on after big poppa drew heavily for the time and the region given the climate for predominately west coast non culturally associated gangsta rap.
one mo chance was giving big an elongated draw after big poppa.
A draw that tailed off on rtd, the album being a slow burn seller.

One mo chance at that time sold in its original envelope platinum. close to double plat in singles as a maxi single and did not bolster the original envelope sales of rtd much.
As one mo chance was a maxi single and posted higher numbers than the gold album sales of rtd and the gold big poppa single combined.
Eventually rtd reached platinum in slow burn well after that from the trickle down of fan interest in one mo chance.

I'd expect you to have your facts straight. RTD was platinum before One more chance dropped. And Big Poppa/Warning single was also platinum by that time. So he had a platinum album,plat single and a gold single by the time one more chance came out. His album would only reach double plat prior to death which is great evidence that it wasnt all about One more chance and the previous singles also played a great part


Yet big's up in skill vocal tonality wise was to distinct from rtd to one mo chance and created fan disconnect.
Which is why remix records with big after one mo chance.
would also draw heavily as they featured the same vocal quality of one mo chance the remix maxi single release

Pac was still larger than big and always a larger draw than big.
Big never pulled up on Pac's draw.
He just had a higher propensity to garner culture cosign and pr being recognized as a east coast artist.
Yet big was an mca modeled artist and always caught flack because of puff's sellout ideals, culturally.
Plus big's west coast based content and direction alienated the culture in some form as well.
which was from pac's influence and actual skill set big leaned on.
The whole wholehearted acceptance of big and Pac culturally all the way.
did not happen till much later after their deaths.
As both draws for each artist big and Pac were amplified from their death.
Yet Pac was always a larger draw with any and every demographic of fan than big.
As both were polarizing and both viewed as cultural fringe artist. who also pandered to the underground to save face culturally.

You are just a noob gateway rap fan breh.

You speak from just a pop gateway fan perspective.
you don't know the culture like that and you definitely don't know the complexion of the time culturally or in a general fan basis like:


Everything else you said is pointless GIbberish and doesnt dispel my truth at all

Notice how you miss me separate the cultural distinction in this discussion.
Plus the slow burn sales of rtd which was not certified platinum till much later.
As big poppa was only gold originally and you are posting post humous certs for those bjg singles and records.

Again you don't know this shyt or verbiage but I have come to expect that from a dim Witt with a wack cliche name that is indicative of someone who does not know rap or the culture of hiphop like that at all.


Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

In addition to the real nikka facts i layed down,my stance was never soley based on albums sales are even personal sales. Bone and pac were bigger.
However Biggie was overall bigger. for the following reasons


nikkas need to understand that biggie had one of the greatest singles/features runs ever for that time and anytime before him.
Every single from rtd was a classic with classic video to match.
Juicy's reign was more of a 94' thang.
But then came
Big poppa
Total's can't you see
Craig mack's flavor in your ear remix
Jr mafia's players anthem
One more chance remix
Warning
Jr mafia's get money
On top of that he was on Michael jackson's album
Did "runnin" with pac,stretch and dramacydal
Did Da b side with da brat (whom was huge coming off funkdafied and give it to you,first plat female solo rapper)
Also had dropped who shot ya.
nikka was on fire

 

[Art Barr]

Crazy thing...Art ain't lying....

Ready to Die was a slow burn, as far as record sales are concerned. Using the metric that you gave regarding Snoop and Nas:

Creepin On Ah Come Up
----------------------
4x Multi-Platinum | December 4, 1995
3x Multi-Platinum | March 31, 1995
2x Multi-Platinum | December 2, 1994
Platinum | September 21, 1994
Gold | September 21, 1994

Ready to Die
---------------------
2x Multi-Platinum | October 16, 1995
Platinum | March 14, 1995
Gold | November 16, 1994

Big sold more albums dead than alive...

@bigbadbossup2012
Big did not sell gold on rtd in November of 94.
Plus these certs look to be from shipping.
not actual receipts and registered sales the way it used to be tallied.
He had no traction and big poppa was a slow burn single.
Juicy did not originally sell well on its release and rtd was a slow burn single.
The dates posted maybe what it shipped and later was just awarded a date via shipping.
Yet by those dates those albums and singles were not certified as the distinctions you quoted.
This is how I know you don't know what the fukk you talembout @bigbadbossup2012 and more than likely going by spreadsheet certs on these releases.
Which have never been accurate in the digital age.
big posted better large bulk sales numbers after his death and originally rtd was a slow burn album seller.
With originally one mo chance outselling it as a maxi single by more the double.
I know the era when they certified records because biz markie suffered I this era from the sample laws and certs and dates became a particular stickler for when certification on albums sales actually occurred. Plus, the cert dates for hordes of albums always came under scrutiny as well.



Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Notice how you miss me separate the cultural distinction in this discussion.
Plus the slow burn sales of rtd which was not certified platinum till much later.
As big poppa was only gold originally and you are posting post humous certs for those bjg singles and records.

Again you don't know this shyt or verbiage but I have come to expect that from a dim Witt with a wack cliche name that is indicative of someone who does not know rap or the culture of hiphop like that at all.


Art Barr

nikka i got the whole history of certifications on my shyt but it was edited in,maybe you didnt see,go look busta. shyt is iron clad,YOU WRONG

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

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@bigbadbossup
Big did not sell gold on rtd in November of 94.
He had no traction and big poppa was a slow burn single.
Juicy did not originally sell well on its release and rtd was a slow burn single.
The dates posted maybe what it shipped and later was just awarded a dare via shipping.
Yet by those dates those albums and singles were not certified as the distinctions you quoted.
This is how I know you don't know what the fukk you talembout @bigbadbossup and more than likely going by spreadsheet certs on these releases.
Which have never been accurate in the digital age.

Art Barr

Juicy was the shyt where i'm from,i believe he went gold that quick. Spread sheets documents from Riaa.com >> bum ass rappers with big mouths opinions