On a scale of delusional to big facts, am I a top 5 lyricist of 2020s? (serious question)

Am I?

  • Delusional

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Big facts

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • Somewhere inbetween

    Votes: 6 30.0%

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Ghost Utmost

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The next level of lyricism is making the content flow

Some of the stuff holds context in your head, but I feel you need to weave more real life examples

Make it closer than generalizations for some of the content

Dig a little bit deeper, you're below surface, but not below enough

A bit delusional, but great potential, a little bit deeper and less static references

I dont feel enough, you're teaching, but I need to feel the experience, think of a black pastor preaching his ass off on a Sunday.. make it more you



Thats my take

Saw an interview with a writer that really had an effect on me.

He was questioning the interviewer back about an emotional time in their lives. Eventually the interviewer said they didn't want to go into it further.

Dude said "That right there. Whatever it is that's too painful is what the audience wants. The audience wants blood. When you get ready to talk about that, you'll really have something."

I actually put all my writing on pause and had to figure out if I was ready to really share with the audience
 

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I can't figure out how to DM :patrice:

My bad, I'm new around here.

Check out my soundcloud. If you like anything feel free to go for it.

It seems I like shyt a little more uptempo than you, so I don't know if our styles will mesh, but here's some beats I think might work for you.






That Ronnie Ching beat is fiiiya!... All them beats dope AF!
 

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Saw an interview with a writer that really had an effect on me.

He was questioning the interviewer back about an emotional time in their lives. Eventually the interviewer said they didn't want to go into it further.

Dude said "That right there. Whatever it is that's too painful is what the audience wants. The audience wants blood. When you get ready to talk about that, you'll really have something."

I actually put all my writing on pause and had to figure out if I was ready to really share with the audience

This, can you link that interview
 

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Got my first delusional vote :banderas: here go receipt #2




City of Jordans and Nikes
It's souls in the pavement, it's soles in the sky
Hanging from laces like ropes that were tied
Hanging black faces from oaks in the South
They kicked and they cried to the lord for deliverance
As if it's umbilical cords they were lynched with
Suspended en-vitro aborted by Christian
intentions so evil they scorch crucifixes
It's senseless, my people the orphans of pigment
Forgetting the soil while they tending the soil
Ain't that a bytch? I got friends in the soil
Gangstas and pimps get a yield from this soil
Makin' a grip in the fields where the oil
Be spraying, no wells but its "shells" on the corner
No pumps, but them sellers got gas for informers
And tasks for the coroner, the Task and the lawyer
The tax is enormous, in fact it'll forfeit the vast of the poorest
These public pretenders gon ask for the lowest
But fukk the defense up at maximum moments
fukk up, get sent up the path of Exodus
Slaves of the state, they done massacred Moses
Martin and Malcolm, assassins of hope
They armed to the talons with packs of the dope
American Eagle, that's national coke
Them Mexican seagulls gon' land in the coast
American evil, demand em in bulk...
fukk a van, need a boat
'cause The Man in the van busy tapping them phones,
tryna track what he sold...
He gon jack you then trap you with trafficking blow,
Uncle Sam getting dough, he done taxed nikkas BROKE


:whew:
 

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I want to say somewhere in between, but truth told, I haven't listened to a lot of PURE lyricists as I've gravitated to mostly R&B. So I may have to go with big facts on this breh.

I read the lyrics then went back and listened to the music and this is dope as hell.
 

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100% pushing that line bro, definitely want to hear what you think of the album when you get a chance.


I hit a creative wall with my own music so I thought I'd check out your album for some inspiration. I had some time to sit down and play your album a few times through, so I figured I'd give you my thoughts.

Beats: The production wasn't always to my particular flavor, but there wasn't a single weak beat and everything fit together really well. Some nice variety in atmosphere while still sticking within the same vibe and theme. Definitely felt like some space shyt. Took a few listens to get used to the digital crunch sounds on Horizon Event, but once it clicked it stopped bothering me and I was able to enjoy it. Production wise Stars was the big stand out. Instant involuntary head nod once those drums come in. :whew:

Flow: I thought your voice and flow mostly fit well with the production. You had some really dope verses and well crafted rhyme schemes all throughout. Stars also stood out flow wise. You hit that sweet spot of being technical and skillful while also sounding smooth and effortless. It's like the audio equivalent of that feeling when scissors start to glide through the paper. Definitely my favorite song on the album. If you do another video my vote would be for that joint. SS Polaris and Horizon Event were my next favorites, and then Crash Course and Where I Left My Heart. I liked the way you switched up the flow on SS Polaris and Where I Left My Heart. Both weren't really to my taste production wise but they were still stand outs for me because they helped to break up the monotony a bit and I like how you changed up your flow on both. Plus the feature verse was nice.

Lyrics: This verse was my favorite from the album:

Game ain't but nine innings,
From base to base I raced to scrape a plate called safe,
Them hunger pains gon' wait
Yeah, them hunger pains is gon' wait
Be the typa shyt that make you steal 'til you home-free
Even fukk around and do it when it's no need
That's the love of the paper, the infatuation with imaginations of Joneses
fukk around and get found in Jonestown
Face-down in a crowd of yo pals
Worship that dollar you gon' drown
Keep that eye on the prize, that's an eye on the night
On the brightest of bright, the Northbound
On the brightest of bright, the Northbound...
:banderas:
The first verse on Horizon Event was another stand out. The lyrics are technically very impressive all throughout. Very tightly written and I can tell you put a lot of thought into what you write. I can also tell Lupe is a big influence for you in the way you like simplify some complex subjects into just a couple bars. You've got a great pen.

Overall: I thought it was a really well put together and cohesive project. The space theme throughout in the lyrics and atmosphere of the production really tied things together. Not a single skip for me. I'm going to keep checking for you and @ShaDynasty after this, and I definitely see myself going back to listen more of this album later.

As for my critiques, I'm going to be brutally honest, so hopefully you don't get offended.

My 3 least favorite songs were I Mean It, Flip and Sol Model, and they all next to each other in the track list. They weren't bad songs, but I think it would have helped to break them up to help the flow of the album.

Your writing does lack a bit of personality and voice. Your perspective almost comes off as a deity narrating and making observations from the outside, which can feel kind of bland. I think you need to find a way to add more of a human element and put more of your experience into your writing. @GreenGhxst and @Ghost Utmost hit the nail on the head. The verse I copy pasted up there really feels like it could use a bar at the end about what you think about it all. You made a bunch of observations about society, but never offered what your role in it is or how you feel about it. Even if you just switched it up to "I never lost sight of the prize, kept my eyes on the night, on the brightest of bright..." it adds a whole lot more depth to the verse. The video @Ghost Utmost shared was perfect in explaining what was missing. Not just about putting more personal statements for an emotional connection to your audience, but also finding that uncomfortable feeling and holding on to it while you write so more of your personal experience and voice bleeds through that way as well.

Another thing was that your flow did start to get monotonous through the album. There was some nice variety with the beats to experiment with, but there weren't that many deviations from your comfort zone. I think some of the slower beats like I Mean It and Sol Model would have benefited from some more urgency in your writing and delivery. It seems like you approached the beat the same way you would something with a higher BPM, which lead to a slow delivery over a slow beat. The feature verse on Flip definitely seemed like he was writing to a faster beat as well. I have the same issue with Ransom's flow as well, and I know people look at him as one of the top spitters right now so this could just be my personal preference. I think you should either lean more into your comfort zone, which seems like something a little higher in BPM like Stars, or try to experiment more with different flows, like on SS Polaris. This might just be a personal preference, but I think you fall back on dragging out syllables a bit too much. I think you should try leaving the negative space rather than filling it in by stretching a word out.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
 
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I hit a creative wall with my own music so I thought I'd check out your album for some inspiration. I had some time to sit down and play your album a few times through, so I figured I'd give you my thoughts.

Beats: The production wasn't always to my particular flavor, but there wasn't a single weak beat and everything fit together really well. Some nice variety in atmosphere while still sticking within the same vibe and theme. Definitely felt like some space shyt. Took a few listens to get used to the digital crunch sounds on Horizon Event, but once it clicked it stopped bothering me and I was able to enjoy it. Production wise Stars was the big stand out. Instant involuntary head nod once those drums come in. :whew:

Flow: I thought your voice and flow mostly fit well with the production. You had some really dope verses and well crafted rhyme schemes all throughout. Stars also stood out flow wise. You hit that sweet spot of being technical and skillful while also sounding smooth and effortless. It's like the audio equivalent of that feeling when scissors start to glide through the paper. Definitely my favorite song on the album. If you do another video my vote would be for that joint. SS Polaris and Horizon Event were my next favorites, and then Crash Course and Where I Left My Heart. I liked the way you switched up the flow on SS Polaris and Where I Left My Heart. Both weren't really to my taste production wise but they were still stand outs for me because they helped to break up the monotony a bit and I like how you changed up your flow on both. Plus the feature verse was nice.

Lyrics: This verse was my favorite from the album:

Game ain't but nine innings,
From base to base I raced to scrape a plate called safe,
Them hunger pains gon' wait
Yeah, them hunger pains is gon' wait
Be the typa shyt that make you steal 'til you home-free
Even fukk around and do it when it's no need
That's the love of the paper, the infatuation with imaginations of Joneses
fukk around and get found in Jonestown
Face-down in a crowd of yo pals
Worship that dollar you gon' drown
Keep that eye on the prize, that's an eye on the night
On the brightest of bright, the Northbound
On the brightest of bright, the Northbound...
:banderas:
The first verse on Horizon Event was another stand out. The lyrics are technically very impressive all throughout. Very tightly written and I can tell you put a lot of thought into what you write. I can also tell Lupe is a big influence for you in the way you like simplify some complex subjects into just a couple bars. You've got a great pen.

Overall: I thought it was a really well put together and cohesive project. The space theme throughout in the lyrics and atmosphere of the production really tied things together. Not a single skip for me. I'm going to keep checking for you and @ShaDynasty after this, and I definitely see myself going back to listen more of this album later.

As for my critiques, I'm going to be brutally honest, so hopefully you don't get offended.

My 3 least favorite songs were I Mean It, Flip and Sol Model, and they all next to each other in the track list. They weren't bad songs, but I think it would have helped to break them up to help the flow of the album.

Your writing does lack a bit of personality and voice. Your perspective almost comes off as a deity narrating and making observations from the outside, which can feel kind of bland. I think you need to find a way to add more of a human element and put more of your experience into your writing. @GreenGhxst and @Ghost Utmost hit the nail on the head. The verse I copy pasted up there really feels like it could use a bar at the end about what you think about it all. You made a bunch of observations about society, but never offered what your role in it is or how you feel about it. Even if you just switched it up to "I never lost sight of the prize, kept my eyes on the night, on the brightest of bright..." it adds a whole lot more depth to the verse. The video @Ghost Utmost shared was perfect in explaining what was missing. Not just about putting more personal statements for an emotional connection to your audience, but also finding that uncomfortable feeling and holding on to it while you write so more of your personal experience and voice bleeds through that way as well.

Another thing was that your flow did start to get monotonous through the album. There was some nice variety with the beats to experiment with, but there weren't that many deviations from your comfort zone. I think some of the slower beats like I Mean It and Sol Model would have benefited from some more urgency in your writing and delivery. It seems like you approached the beat the same way you would something with a higher BPM, which lead to a slow delivery over a slow beat. The feature verse on Flip definitely seemed like he was writing to a faster beat as well. I have the same issue with Ransom's flow as well, and I know people look at him as one of the top spitters right now so this could just be my personal preference. I think you should either lean more into your comfort zone, which seems like something a little higher in BPM like Stars, or try to experiment more with different flows, like on SS Polaris. This might just be a personal preference, but I think you fall back on dragging out syllables a bit too much. I think you should try leaving the negative space rather than filling it in by stretching a word out.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

Great review and interesting points:salute: Appreciate that you took the time to write out what you thought, this is some of the better criticism I've gotten on the project to date.
 

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Yup a few times, mostly on my early demo material from literally a decade ago lol. I got some advice back then that if I'm gonna write dense lyrics it wasn't gonna mesh well with rapping a mile a minute, I took it to heart at the time. Haven't done it in a minute
Yeah thats true. Fast rappers need content thats easily digestible at a fast pace. You get cerebral in your rhymes so its good to let it sink in. And there are lines that I'm still catching now because they aren't obvious but they're layered so I hear the surface first then catch the meaning later.

Theres a way of rapping free association with a few key lines that can sound dope. The danger is getting too 'lyrical miracle' though.
 
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