One catalog has to go forever. 2pac, Nas, Jay Z, Ice cube

[Juni0r]

I'm not rewriting history. Nas was doing mafioso raps with Kool G, AZ, Rae, & Ghost. Nas the first outsider that collaborated with wu tang and his shyt that they put on the cubank album came out pre-illmatic

You tried to Shoe horn nas as one of the pioneers of that style when he was "biting" from those dudes too, going by your own logic.
Fact is, there was a drastic shift in Nas' Style between Illmatic and IWW. This is fact.
Rae, ghost and Big took the Mafioso stuff to new heights and everybody from that time period was influenced by it, no more no less.

 

[XxBboyxX]

I can live on without Jay z. Never liked him.

 

[Mac Casper]

Good god, no! Doggy style, The Chronic, all fit the same criteria, especially doggy style. Man, ya'll need to stop with this re-writing history shyt. All eyes on me is one of hip hop's great albums, can we leave it at that please?

Doggystyle . . ya . . true - truth is, that album was rushed out by order of distributors. It actually wasn't finished

but in comparison All Eyez on Me . . was also rushed out but the difference Tupac was motivated to do so and had the work ethic to make it happen. They did the whole album in 2 weeks, yet it FEELS like a blockbuster. Feels like a huge budget is behind it. Feels like they took their time with it

Compare All Eyez on Me to 2001 . . you can bet Dre spent a lot longer than 2 weeks on it, but is it even an incrementally better?

 

[XxBboyxX]

Actually, it's not, Esham, Will/Jazzy been done that
And even if it was, it was still "just" a dope ass CD with great records. It was Pac in his most (relatively) shallow form, he had better substance (his biggest strength) before (MATW) and after (7 day).

It's funny you mention Stillmatic, when Blueprint aged WAY better than that album.
The Blueprint is (Arguably - you missed this very important qualifier) the best album in the 2000's because it had the impact (Jumpstarting Kanye, Just Blaze careers, revitalizing another GOAT contender), the lyrics, the production, and the replay value.

that will/jazz album was only a double album because it over ran by 13 minutes. They ended up editing it out to make it a single record and released it as that so technically 2pac is the first rap artist to release a true double album with no edits.

 

[XxBboyxX]

Doggystyle . . ya . . true - truth is, that album was rushed out by order of distributors. It actually wasn't finished

but in comparison All Eyez on Me . . was also rushed out but the difference Tupac was motivated to do so and had the work ethic to make it happen. They did the whole album in 2 weeks, yet it FEELS like a blockbuster. Feels like a huge budget is behind it. Feels like they took their time with it

Compare All Eyez on Me to 2001 . . you can bet Dre spent a lot longer than 2 weeks on it, but is it even an incrementally better?

yea Pac's motivation was to release his 3 album deal he made with DR after posting bail so he can get the fukk outta of that hood ass label. That's why he made so many damn songs while on death row. Aside from his work ethnic being second to none. dude wanted to make sure he made enough material for suge to nit pick and release without any questions or shortage of work.

Pac was that nikka

 

[Bed$tuy]

You tried to Shoe horn nas as one of the pioneers of that style when he was "biting" from those dudes too, going by your own logic.
Fact is, there was a drastic shift in Nas' Style between Illmatic and IWW. This is fact.
Rae, ghost and Big took the Mafioso stuff to new heights and everybody from that time period was influenced by it, no more no less.

Nas pioneered Jay Z's new flow on Reasonable Doubt. I didn't say he was a pioneer of mafioso rap. G rap is and Nas is one of his pupils. Kool G Rap's track "Fast Life," Az's "Do or Die" album, and Nas verse on Verbal Intercourse (Pre-illmatic- Deja Vu) which fit the theme of Cuban Links album came out before Jay Z's Reasonable Doubt.

 

[Bed$tuy]

:deke disgust:



:chloe what:

i admit i made a mistake with that one

 

[CarltonJunior]

Jay . . what are we missing that can honestly be assessed to be a departure from the standard? . . "Annie" . . maybe "Song Cry". Reasonable Doubt is great but there's nothing on it that represents a stark deviation from something anyone else could've done

I agree 100%

Cube had tracks that really were ahead of their time when you put them in context, and between Straight out of Compton and Death Certificate, there's no argument for Jay in my opinion.

 

[CarltonJunior]

Jay might have the most throwaway tracks in his discog than anyone on this list including Nas

His highs are high but his lows are LOW.

 

[DarkmanX]

Doggystyle . . ya . . true - truth is, that album was rushed out by order of distributors. It actually wasn't finished

but in comparison All Eyez on Me . . was also rushed out but the difference Tupac was motivated to do so and had the work ethic to make it happen. They did the whole album in 2 weeks, yet it FEELS like a blockbuster. Feels like a huge budget is behind it. Feels like they took their time with it

Compare All Eyez on Me to 2001 . . you can bet Dre spent a lot longer than 2 weeks on it, but is it even an incrementally better?

Maybe because alot of the songs 2pac got were originally done by other artists on Death Row and then given to 2pac. Death Row worked like that. If they had an album about to drop everybody focused on it.

As for the topic:

How Cube can be voted for in this is hilarious. No suprise tho. Most here go off name & most of yall kids basically. NWA, Westside Connection, own solo..forget it. Not even fair. The post-death-gangster-yet-concious-yall-praise-2pac-for-for-some-weird-reason is birthed from Cube (with influence of the likes of Public Enemy etc). This is why people called 2pac a copy of Chuck & Cube early on, especially from 1991-1993

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Rihanna could perform a concert filled with nothing but smash singles, what is your point?

And rihhana is a once in a generation pop artist

So what is the point

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

this is easy.

NAS has to go.

smh. people voting for cube just cuz they missed his run. that chit nutty.

Nas and cube basically came in the game at the same time.

No1 missed his run

Cube music just dont hold up

And tbh

Outside his 1st 2 albums , really had no allure outside the westcoast

 

[Mac Casper]

Maybe because alot of the songs 2pac got were originally done by other artists on Death Row and then given to 2pac. Death Row worked like that. If they had an album about to drop everybody focused on it.

As for the topic:

How Cube can be voted for in this is hilarious. No suprise tho. Most here go off name & most of yall kids basically. NWA, Westside Connection, own solo..forget it. Not even fair. The post-death-gangster-yet-concious-yall-praise-2pac-for-for-some-weird-reason is birthed from Cube (with influence of the likes of Public Enemy etc). This is why people called 2pac a copy of Chuck & Cube early on, especially from 1991-1993

Well they worked like that when Dre was at the helm . . after he left there was a dissension which resulted in split between the camps

In regards to songs being given to Tupac, you're talking to Wally Russell - the Coli's undisputed most objectified member - I am the first person in Coli history to bring this up. Check the record - http://www.thecoli.com/threads/tupac-was-given-a-lot-of-hit-records.290427/ . The songs you speak of that were given to Tupac include

"California Love"
"Got My Mind Made Up"
"Can't C Me"
"2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted"

These song productions were essentially complete and then given to Tupac for him to put a verse down on them. Now what about the rest of the 27 songs?

All Eyez on Me represents the last project with the Death Row team working in harmony - some attribute Dr. Dre leaving to Tupac's reluctance to allow him to take credit for producing all of All Eyez on Me . . so basically the credits are more transparent than Doggystyle, Tupac refused to let Dr. Dre attach his name to the album for marketing purposes. Had this taken place we would know this album as a Dr. Dre produced record, ala Doggystyle - Imagine if Daz got most of the credit for Doggystyle - Johnny J is prominently featured as producer throughout the project

After this Tupac takes a new direction and works with producers from "the wack room" to create another classic album with a whole different tone. By Dr. Dre's standard protocol, Tupac would rightfully be credited as the producer of the Makaveli album . . because those producers were mostly working under his direction


^ Greatest post in this thread

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

This was hard, but I gotta go with jay. At this point, rd, vol 1 and 2, and bp are all i ever really go back to.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Jay easily

This.