One Drop Rule: How Should We Define Being Black In America

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This is the nonsense logic that had Rachel dozal having Americans think she's black

If race has no basis why are they saying more black doners are needed?
DNA is DNA. "Race" is a crude way to make genetic phenotype easier to understand.
 

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they were treated better,

not really; it can be argued that mixed free people of color were treated worse than actual unmixed slaves



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where do you think house slave/field slave mentality comes from.

most house slaves/negroes were dark skinned just like their field counterparts:usure:

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Shes culturally black but a c00n. She went to an HCBU and spent time in black circles, but as she became more successful she seems to have started to associate less with black people. I put her in the same bag as someone like OJ Simpson. Black in the beginning but later became someone who didn't want to comment on race.
interesting a thought she was white washed from the beginning
 

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what exactly does your name refer to?
Nothing, it’s a username, don’t think so hard. :unimpressed:
ADOS were together regardless of admx/complexion before the One Drop Rule; the 1drop rule just further solidified it





100% facts.....some people seem not to understand that modern Global Pan-Africanism couldn't exist w/o the One Drop Rule underpinning it which is why it was originated in the USA and not Latin America/Africa/West Indies


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w/o the One Drop Rule it would be impossible to have all of these peoples/range of complexions partake in global Pan-Africanism

:salute: for coming through with facts
 

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not really; it can be argued that mixed free people of color were treated worse than actual unmixed slaves



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most house slaves/negroes were dark skinned just like their field counterparts:usure:

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Some mixed-race people in the South became wealthy enough to become slave owners themselves. At times they held family members in slavery when there were many restrictions against freeing slaves. By the time of the Civil War, many mixed-race persons, or free people of color, who were accepted in the society supported the Confederacy. For example, William Ellison owned 60 slaves. Andrew Durnford of New Orleans, which had a large population of free people of color, mostly of French descent and Catholic culture, was listed in the census as owning 77 slaves. In Louisiana free people of color constituted a third class between white colonists and the mass of slaves.[92]

Historians have documented sexual abuse of enslaved women during the colonial and post-revolutionary slavery times by white men in power: planters, their sons before marriage, overseers, etc., which resulted in many multiracial children born into slavery. Starting with Virginia in 1662, colonies adopted the principle of partus sequitur ventrem in slave law, which said that children born in the colony were born into the status of their mother. Thus, children born to slave mothers were born into slavery, regardless of who their fathers were and whether they were baptized as Christians. Children born to white mothers were free, even if they were mixed-race. Children born to free mixed-race mothers were also free.

As slavery became a racial caste system, persons of only partial African ancestry and majority European ancestry were born into slavery. African descent became associated with slavery. By hypodescent, persons of even partial African ancestry were classified socially below whites. By the late 18th century, there were numerous families of majority-white slaves, such as the mixed-race children born to the slave Sally Hemings and her master Thomas Jefferson. She was three-quarters white and the half-sister of his late wife; their children, born into slavery, were seven-eighths white. Jefferson gave the four surviving children their freedom as adults; three assimilated into white society.

Sometimes the white fathers freed the children and/or their mothers, or provided education or apprenticeship, or settled property on them in a significant transfer of social capital. Notable antebellum examples of fathers who provided for their mixed-race children were the fathers of Charles Henry Langston and John Mercer Langston and the father of the Healy family of Georgia. (Each had a common-law marriage with a woman of partial African descent.) Other mixed-race children were left enslaved; some were sold away by their fathers.[

Research by historians and genealogists has shown that unlike the above examples, most free African Americans listed in the first two US censuses in the Upper South were descended from relationships or marriages in colonial Virginia between white women, indentured servant or free, and African or African-American men, indentured servant, free or slave. Their unions reflected the fluid nature of relationships among the working classes before slave caste was hardened, as well as the small households and farms within which many people worked. The children of white mothers were born free. If they were illegitimate and mixed race, they were apprenticed in order to avoid the community being burdened with upkeep, but such persons gained a step in freedom.

As in Thomas Jefferson's household, the use of lighter-skinned slaves as household servants was not simply a choice related to skin color. Sometimes planters used mixed-race slaves as house servants or favored artisans because they were their children or other relatives. Six of Jefferson's later household slaves were the grown children of his father-in-law John Wayles and his slave mistress Betty Hemings.[115][116] Half-siblings of Jefferson's wife Martha, she inherited them, along with Betty Hemings and other slaves, a year after her marriage to Jefferson following the death of her father. At that time some of the Hemings-Wayles children were very young; Sally Hemings was an infant. They were trained as domestic and skilled servants and headed the slave hierarchy at Monticello

Planters with mixed-race children sometimes arranged for their education (occasionally in northern schools) or apprenticeship in skilled trades and crafts. Others settled property on them, or otherwise passed on social capital by freeing the children and their mothers. While fewer in number than in the Upper South, free blacks in the Deep South were often mixed-race children of wealthy planters and sometimes benefited from transfers of property and social capital. Wilberforce University, founded by Methodist and African Methodist Episcopal (AME) representatives in Ohio in 1856, for the education of African-American youth, was during its early history largely supported by wealthy southern planters who paid for the education of their mixed-race children. When the American Civil War broke out, the majority of the school's 200 students were of mixed race and from such wealthy Southern families.[119] The college closed for several years before the AME Church bought and operated it.
 

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Some mixed-race people in the South became wealthy enough to become slave owners themselves. At times they held family members in slavery when there were many restrictions against freeing slaves. By the time of the Civil War, many mixed-race persons, or free people of color, who were accepted in the society supported the Confederacy. For example, William Ellison owned 60 slaves. Andrew Durnford of New Orleans, which had a large population of free people of color, mostly of French descent and Catholic culture, was listed in the census as owning 77 slaves. In Louisiana free people of color constituted a third class between white colonists and the mass of slaves.[92]

Historians have documented sexual abuse of enslaved women during the colonial and post-revolutionary slavery times by white men in power: planters, their sons before marriage, overseers, etc., which resulted in many multiracial children born into slavery. Starting with Virginia in 1662, colonies adopted the principle of partus sequitur ventrem in slave law, which said that children born in the colony were born into the status of their mother. Thus, children born to slave mothers were born into slavery, regardless of who their fathers were and whether they were baptized as Christians. Children born to white mothers were free, even if they were mixed-race. Children born to free mixed-race mothers were also free.

As slavery became a racial caste system, persons of only partial African ancestry and majority European ancestry were born into slavery. African descent became associated with slavery. By hypodescent, persons of even partial African ancestry were classified socially below whites. By the late 18th century, there were numerous families of majority-white slaves, such as the mixed-race children born to the slave Sally Hemings and her master Thomas Jefferson. She was three-quarters white and the half-sister of his late wife; their children, born into slavery, were seven-eighths white. Jefferson gave the four surviving children their freedom as adults; three assimilated into white society.

Sometimes the white fathers freed the children and/or their mothers, or provided education or apprenticeship, or settled property on them in a significant transfer of social capital. Notable antebellum examples of fathers who provided for their mixed-race children were the fathers of Charles Henry Langston and John Mercer Langston and the father of the Healy family of Georgia. (Each had a common-law marriage with a woman of partial African descent.) Other mixed-race children were left enslaved; some were sold away by their fathers.[

Research by historians and genealogists has shown that unlike the above examples, most free African Americans listed in the first two US censuses in the Upper South were descended from relationships or marriages in colonial Virginia between white women, indentured servant or free, and African or African-American men, indentured servant, free or slave. Their unions reflected the fluid nature of relationships among the working classes before slave caste was hardened, as well as the small households and farms within which many people worked. The children of white mothers were born free. If they were illegitimate and mixed race, they were apprenticed in order to avoid the community being burdened with upkeep, but such persons gained a step in freedom.

As in Thomas Jefferson's household, the use of lighter-skinned slaves as household servants was not simply a choice related to skin color. Sometimes planters used mixed-race slaves as house servants or favored artisans because they were their children or other relatives. Six of Jefferson's later household slaves were the grown children of his father-in-law John Wayles and his slave mistress Betty Hemings.[115][116] Half-siblings of Jefferson's wife Martha, she inherited them, along with Betty Hemings and other slaves, a year after her marriage to Jefferson following the death of her father. At that time some of the Hemings-Wayles children were very young; Sally Hemings was an infant. They were trained as domestic and skilled servants and headed the slave hierarchy at Monticello

Planters with mixed-race children sometimes arranged for their education (occasionally in northern schools) or apprenticeship in skilled trades and crafts. Others settled property on them, or otherwise passed on social capital by freeing the children and their mothers. While fewer in number than in the Upper South, free blacks in the Deep South were often mixed-race children of wealthy planters and sometimes benefited from transfers of property and social capital. Wilberforce University, founded by Methodist and African Methodist Episcopal (AME) representatives in Ohio in 1856, for the education of African-American youth, was during its early history largely supported by wealthy southern planters who paid for the education of their mixed-race children. When the American Civil War broke out, the majority of the school's 200 students were of mixed race and from such wealthy Southern families.[119] The college closed for several years before the AME Church bought and operated it.


What point are you getting at in the bolded?
 

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Other then that, african Americans=ados have to, need to, take control of our own identity. We are lineage, a bloodline, not a attitude, or experience.
We have history, heroes, ancestors..ect. we are a people group

that has always included any and all admixtures from monoracial to biracial to triracial and from the darkest of dark to the lightest of light

african american literally means = "american of african descent"

ados means = "descendant of american slaves"


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Shes culturally black but a c00n. She went to an HCBU and spent time in black circles, but as she became more successful she seems to have started to associate less with black people. I put her in the same bag as someone like OJ Simpson. Black in the beginning but later became someone who didn't want to comment on race.

@Scustin Bieburr where would you put Tiger Woods and Dwayne Johnson?
 

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@Scustin Bieburr where would you put Tiger Woods and Dwayne Johnson?
Tiger a c00n to me, dude never claimed black. Rock is mixed bag imo, he was in the NOD but bc it’s wrestling it was promo. Never heard him say anything c00nish but it’s obvious he has is closer to his Samoan heritage or maybe he feels he can milk it more. He doesn’t talk on black issues but he doesn’t have to (rather a lot of black celebrities did this, instead of looking two faced or just ignorant)
 

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Tiger a c00n to me, dude never claimed black. Rock is mixed bag imo, he was in the NOD but bc it’s wrestling it was promo. Never heard him say anything c00nish but it’s obvious he has is closer to his Samoan heritage or maybe he feels he can milk it more. He doesn’t talk on black issues but he doesn’t have to (rather a lot of black celebrities did this, instead of looking two faced or just ignorant)
Why would tiger claim black when he isn't?
 

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You didn't answer my question tho
Yes I did. Race is not scientifically valid. They need more "black" donors because "black" people potentially have more DNA in common. Being black is no guarantee of compatibility, but it ups the chances. Cross race organ donation is common. @KingZaire_ 's definition of "black" is accurate, at least in the west. ADOS is another matter. That shows lineage and shared cultural history and experience.
 
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