Only a fatherless idiot would be against having a submissive wife.

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Also I find that many who constantly harp on about submission seem to have the least amount of experience with relationships. They can only parrot what other men have told them and other urban legends.

Now coming from the country, 3 generations of marriages at least 30+ years, on my dads side of the family and my mom's side of the family, no OOW babies, no divorces, I've had many examples of what marriage looks like including my own parents who have been married for 44 years.

Believe it or not, and this could just be because country people are pragmatists, but submission is a duel phenomenon. Women submit to men and men submit to women. Why? Because it's not about who rules, so much as its about who is good at what.

My dad is a great leader but my mother is more financially savvy. So he makes a lot of the decisions but he gives her ALL the money. They learned this about themselves early on in their marriage b/c she'll pay bills on time and is good with saving whereas my dad is too financially impulsive. However he has good business acumen. So when he needs money to invest in his business, it's there because he trusted his wife's strengths and she gives it to him because she trusts in his strengths. The point is a good leader knows his strengths and his limitations. But also leadership is shared in a good relationship. People lead in the areas they are good at and want their partners to lead in their own right as well.

These are lessons you learn the more you experience interactions with the opposite sex. But some of ya'll are so bitter and resentful of anything female and so awfully eager to prove your manhood b/c you feel it's under attack that it's impossible to trust that you'll be able handle the responsibility of submission w/o abusing it. It's kinda sad and some will blame everybody and everything except taking a look in the mirror.
 

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I find that the men who demand submission the most or are overly vocal about it, are the ones least deserving of it. Kinda like the women who are always talking about respecting them.

Men who are worthy of submission find that women fall in line. If you think that's through violence, coercion or trying to shame a woman into it, you already lost.

Men can naturally display leadership qualities and a calming chill aura that women want to be near and nurture. There is also a trust element as well. In order to submit, I'm trusting you with my well-being, my future and the future of my children as well as my emotional wellbeing. I don't mind submitting. In fact most blk women would prefer it. But outside of a marriage or a stable relationship? To a man unwilling or resentful of providing for me? To someone who is emotionally a liability or shows signs of an inability to be faithful? To a man who stereotypes me or puts other women before me?! To a man who is unwilling to listen or take constructive criticism?!

Logically and rationally, no woman should ever consider submitting to those types. And unfortunately most men who have the word submission behind their teeth, have to talk that talk because their actions are lacking and undeserving of what they are asking for.

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Also I find that many who constantly harp on about submission seem to have the least amount of experience with relationships. They can only parrot what other men have told them and other urban legends.

Now coming from the country, 3 generations of marriages at least 30+ years, on my dads side of the family and my mom's side of the family, no OOW babies, no divorces, I've had many examples of what marriage looks like including my own parents who have been married for 44 years.

Believe it or not, and this could just be because country people are pragmatists, but submission is a duel phenomenon. Women submit to men and men submit to women. Why? Because it's not about who rules, so much as its about who is good at what.

My dad is a great leader but my mother is more financially savvy. So he makes a lot of the decisions but he gives her ALL the money. They learned this about themselves early on in their marriage b/c she'll pay bills on time and is good with saving whereas my dad is too financially impulsive. However he has good business acumen. So when he needs money to invest in his business, it's there because he trusted his wife's strengths and she gives it to him because she trusts in his strengths. The point is a good leader knows his strengths and his limitations. But also leadership is shared in a good relationship. People lead in the areas they are good at and want their partners to lead in their own right as well.

These are lessons you learn the more you experience interactions with the opposite sex. But some of ya'll are so bitter and resentful of anything female and so awfully eager to prove your manhood b/c you feel it's under attack that it's impossible to trust that you'll be able handle the responsibility of submission w/o abusing it. It's kinda sad and some will blame everybody and everything except taking a look in the mirror.

I'm from the South and my parents have been together for 40 years. Dating dynamics are a lot different than it was when I parents were coming up. Every man in my family down here in Louisiana works hard to provide and protect and run their households like men are suppose to.

My mom is very religious and submissive, but she runs a lot things too. Most importantly, she knows when to fall back. She know my dad well and knows when it's going to be his way. They don't really argue about much. They have their roles.

No ones saying the man should be controlling every aspect of a relationship which for some reason women think that's what being submissive is.
 

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This guy on my facebook a few years ago posted a video about women submitting to men. Then he posted that women need to learn to do this. I forgot what she said, but the ex girlfriend shut him down with greats points about himself. Years later, at 34, he still lives at home with the his mother and spends his time posting shirtless selfies and stunting on IG. But he's looking for a submissive woman....

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Yeah submission is an incredible responsibility. It's easy to talk about. Harder to be prepared and ready for. There is a major fundamental disconnect that many have to fix in themselves before getting into a relationship. If you're not right in yourself, I don't care how submissive ur wife is, it will not work.

We have to be honest about what we bring to the table not just financially but emotionally too.
 

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Smart women know that the strongest, meanest man can be persuaded or even controlled by a woman's femininity and her being sweet.


A modern woman's strength is a joke to a traditional man. :mjlol: All of the mouth and combativeness just leaves most of them alone in the bushes.


A woman's real strength is and has always been her femininity.
 

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I like a chick with an opinion, but at the end of the day I got the final say. 51%, 49% rule with me being the 51%.

Chicks have definitely been submissive to be without me putting in much effort though. I think it's bc they see I'm all about drive and bettering yourself.

Wait.. You think your gf being submissive means that you have to have the final say on everything?

That doesnt sound submissive; it sounds controlling...
 

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I'm from the South and my parents have been together for 40 years. Dating dynamics are a lot different than it was when I parents were coming up. Every man in my family down here in Louisiana works hard to provide and protect and run their households like men are suppose to.

My mom is very religious and submissive, but she runs a lot things too. Most importantly, she knows when to fall back. She know my dad well and knows when it's going to be his way. They don't really argue about much. They have their roles.

No ones saying the man should be controlling every aspect of a relationship which for some reason women think that's what being submissive is.
South Carolina in da hooouuuuussssseeee! Growing up for us I don't think it really came to that. Oh trust me I've seen some arguments go DOWN. Married people will tell you, you're crazy if you think you're going to live with somebody for 40+ years and not tell them exactly what you think about them. Can't be afraid to say what you gotta say. Lol!

But it was the love and the honesty that got them through it. My mom and dad are some of the most egoless individuals I know. They will tell you off in a second and wonder why you're in tears. It's not about getting the last word or being combative or rude. It's more so about progress and growth. Whoever is the expert on it, whatever it is, gets the last word. Because nobody is trying to undermine authority in our home. A lot of this stuff is foreign to me because if two people are working together to build a legacy good leadership knows when to step up and when to defer to the good judgement of others.
 
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