OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers

[3rdWorld]

Generally considered the two best duos from the 90s

Yeah, but ones practically underground and the other wa way over ground..there can be no comparison made here.

 

[SirBiatch]

SPCM is their best album by far - largely thanks to the wave-hopping they were doing, along with organized noise lacing them up.

they were always good for a couple hits per album, and guaranteed to snap on a handful of tracks, but SPCM is their only real legit classic.
after that, they were just aiird. their beats generally weren't as good, their mic presence was weaker, flows & hooks were usually corny, voices got annoying, etc etc

people usually don't break these things down critically when it comes to backpack/alternative groups. that's why so many of them get passes despite their sub-genre's steep decrease in popularity after the early '90s.

I agree with this sentiment overall. I never understood the need to force Outkast as having classic albums when it's clear they don't really. Certain artists like Outkast, Kanye and Missy Elliott will experiment with a particular sound/vibe/sonic idea an entire album with some songs coming out incredible, others being average, and the rest being weak. The idea that any of these people are dropping multiple classics in a row is just

Sure Outkast leveled up with Atliens but are cats really gonna tell me "Decatur Psalm" is as fire as "Jazzy Belle?" "E.T. Extraterrestial" as dope as "Atliens"? The Outkast standouts were always obvious imo. When "So Fresh So Clean" came out, we all knew that shyt was flames/instant classic material. But nobody was saying: 'damn, we gotta get that new Stankonia!'

 

[mobbinfms]

This thread is absolutely ridiculous

How is Stankonia better than Murda Muzik?

 

[mobbinfms]

I'm willing to bet most people didn't even notice Aquemini was the last album in which they shared the same booth. That never was a discussion until Kast revealed it.

Not recording together anymore =/= falling off. Big Boi nor 3000 ever fell off. They got better with each album up until Stankonia. That albun was by no means a decline. Was it better than the previous two albums? No. It could go toe to toe with the first though. Stankonia's flaw is that it has too many songs.

So Stankonia was as good as ATLiens and Aquemini?
I’m not sure I’m understanding here.

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

Hav and P did all the work.


Outlast needed Dungeon Family

Its like dudes who argue for Prince over Mike cause Prince did all the work so going by this Boyz 2 Men is unquestionably the G.O.A.T. R&B group can't have it both ways.

So with that said Mobb>>>>Outkast ain't nobody fukking with 90's P

Havoc was sampling and had to learn a bit from Q-Tip

Organized Noise actually played live instruments on OutKast first album

that's like penalizing The Roots because they are a band and thus used "more people"

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

here's the thing, at their peak they released 5 star albums. at their worst? Infamy is considered much more garbage than Idlewild.

And Andre's a bettter rapper than both Mobb Deep rappers anyway.

 

[mobbinfms]

here's the thing, at their peak they released 5 star albums. at their worst? Infamy is considered much more garbage than Idlewild.

And Andre's a bettter rapper than both Mobb Deep rappers anyway.

At their peak, Infamous and Hell On Earth are better than any Kast album.
Prodigy >>> Andre

 

[DeuceCypherUno]

At their peak, Infamous and Hell On Earth are better than any Kast album.
Prodigy >>> Andre

Hell On Earth is like Diet Infamous. Everything on HOE was done better on The Infamous. The Infamous and ATLiens (or Aquemini) are neck and neck so anything lesser wouldn't compare.

Andre was wittier, covered more topics, better rhyme schemes, was just more creative overall. He did EVERYTHING as an MC. Prodigy stuck to where he was comfortable, which I get. Thing is, Andre did everything great.

 

[H.S.]

Hell On Earth is like Diet Infamous. Everything on HOE was done better on The Infamous. The Infamous and ATLiens (or Aquemini) are neck and neck so anything lesser wouldn't compare.

Andre was wittier, covered more topics, better rhyme schemes, was just more creative overall. He did EVERYTHING as an MC. Prodigy stuck to where he was comfortable, which I get. Thing is, Andre did everything great.

This is bullshyt. If anything Prodigy had way more range than Andre. P could tell stories, be thoughtful, be empathetic, etc. But Dre could never ever do street shyt like P. And at their peaks P was just flat out a better rapper.

And Hell On Earth is nothing like The Infamous. Truth be told, Mobb went for an entirely new sound on each of their first five albums.

 

[JustCKing]

So Stankonia was as good as ATLiens and Aquemini?
I’m not sure I’m understanding here.

I said Stankonia was not better than the previous two albums, but neck and neck with the first? ATLiens and Aquemini were the previous two, Southernplayalistic is the first.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

You're deflecting. None of this is a direct response to the fact that ON themselves tell you that they structured Kast's shyt after RnB/pop to make it more palatable to casuals without it being p*ssy. They say it themselves. And again, it's obvious in their music.

There’s no deflecting. You switched up what they said to fit your argument. They said they didn’t wanna be anything like R&B dudes they just wanted to use live music to be different. They realized they were doing the exact same thing Dre was doing in Cali

So I guess Dr Dre was making alternative hip hop now?

 

[mobbinfms]

Hell On Earth is like Diet Infamous. Everything on HOE was done better on The Infamous.

Have you even heard these albums?
Havoc’s production changed from Infamous to HOE. And Prodigy ramped up on the mic. So everything you just typed there is wrong.

The Infamous and ATLiens (or Aquemini) are neck and neck

 

[BmoreGorilla]

you always look at things thru a small scope.

all due respect to ur mom, but your mom doesn't represent the entire base. shes one person. outkast wasn't nearly as big as AD & PM Dawn out the gate. you kinda had to be a lil more hip to know them. those that knew them, copped their chit just like they did arrested development, pm dawn, etc

its not about sound. bone/wutang/dogg pound were some of the top-tier groups.

geto boys was country as f*ck.

there were people who looked as kast as some real hip-hop shyt. but there were also people who looked at them as bullchit. theres people on record saying this like Russell simmons,
also, organized noise THEMSELVES are on record saying that they were on some r&b chit with the outkast stuff. why are yall still in denial?? get over it.

Im not looking at things thru a small scope becuz I was there. I was 12-13 years old when in 93-94. On the local radio here Arrested Development got played during day time hours. When Kast first dropped they were getting played late on weekend nights. Two totally different audiences are targeted at those times. The thing that really separates Kast from the alternative shyt y’all talking about is the fact that the Source gave them 4.5 mics out the gate. The same stingy Source that used to shyt on Pm Dawn and Arrested Development. Outkast was rapping about smoking weed and fukking bytches. Cadillacs and pimps. Andre was even packing a gat before one of the songs. nikkas was on the same hip hop shyt as everybody else except it was a little more soulful. But then again 8ball&MJG and even the Roots had soulful production as well at the time

 

[mobbinfms]

Andre was wittier, covered more topics, better rhyme schemes, was just more creative overall. He did EVERYTHING as an MC. Prodigy stuck to where he was comfortable, which I get. Thing is, Andre did everything great.

He never made a solo hip hop album. So he didn’t do everything as an MC.

Prodigy had more memorable lines.
Better voice and delivery.
Better flow.
Better standout verses.
Better imagery.
Better storytelling.

He was just a better rapper. Andre was exceptional though. No diss.

 

[mobbinfms]

And Hell On Earth is nothing like The Infamous. Truth be told, Mobb went for an entirely new sound on each of their first five albums.

People who really fukk with the Mobb get this. :psalute:

Diet Infamous :prodigylol: