Pan Africanism? Solidarity?

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[CopiousX]

50 Years on a leasehold -> so spend the $, and you better be dead in 50, because the land reverts back to Ghana. At least Hong Kong will give you 99.

Can't buy in Sierra Leone either.

I think Togo and Benin allow foreigners to outright purchase land.

Its really not that big of a barrier. 50 years is more than enough time for you to acquire duel citizenship and hold the land outright. Most westerners arent penalized for having multiple passports and most african countries have a period of 5-7 years to qualify.

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What is it good for?

 

[CopiousX]

Context

Just finished the clip.


Problem seems simple. They need to throw that western mindset in the bushes. Guns may actually be counterintuitive here.

The simple issue is that Bribes havent been paid . I discovered ages ago that they are an essential part of life in Africa. If the westerners cave even once to donate to the locals then they will have their pockets robbed in perpetuety. Even if they bought the land outright originally , you would still have local villagers being petty and blaming the foriegners for all sorts of things wrong with their lives. rural people can be incredibly petty and scheming pretty much everywhere globally.

Solution is to pay off the local chief and shot callers and task them with managing their own people.

 

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So another Liberia

 

[BobbyWojak]

What about modern day Ghana?

Actual Ghanaians online have a more nuanced view than this tweet.
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So, let me get this straight.

The Asebu Chief claims the farmers were compensated and that he was merely renting the land out to the farmers that didn’t have any ownership documents in the first place but the farmers are arguing the land was wrongfully seized without compensation and the police wouldn't do anything about it despite a court order telling them to stop all construction. Supposedly, they claim African Americans and other diaspora folk are threatening locals who confront them with guns but there is no way to verify this actually being true or not but the story sounds kinda sketchy considering not only are guns extremely rare but they are also incredibly difficult to get a permit own one in the first place. Using them other than self-defense or hunting would get your license revoked and you sitting in a jail cell pretty fast. Something as big as this would of certainly hit national news.

I'm honestly with the paramount ruler on this one, his land is considered skin or stool property so he is well within his rights to do whatever he pleases with it. The Land was pretty much underdeveloped anyway but it sounds like the people are upset can no longer use it to farm on as it is being repurposed for something else now.

But can we really fault the diaspora? The way Ghana does its transaction of Land is really outdated, confusing, and inefficient to both locals and foreigners alike that fall to fraud and get stuck in litigation for months or even years. It desperately needs an overhaul up to modern standards. Plus, lets just hope it doesn't result in a repeat of 2015 incident where two African American woman were killed over the dispute of land.

 

[BobbyWojak]

 

[CopiousX]

So another Liberia

I think this is a real discussion that needs to be had outside of the diaspora war context. You can't rely on the honor system to regulate the inequalities between both groups.


There is no universe where a westerner making 50k to 100k in Canada/us/UK can live like a local and harmoniously blend in with folks barely making 4000 USD per year. Even doctors and lawyers in Africa barely make 15k per year. Think of the tremendous assets and wealth such a person can leverage from their career in the west. The only equal to such a mundane western person is local politicians, magnates, and children of local dynasties.



A nobility or kleptocracy of black westerners is inevitable. You see a similar dynamic when their own native African diaspora return and end up managing the country's infrastructure, major companies, and institutions moreso than Africans who never left.

 

[WIA20XX]

Its really not that big of a barrier. 50 years is more than enough time for you to acquire duel citizenship and hold the land outright.

I agree, but the path to citizenship in Ghana is not that straight forward.

Naturalization as Ghanaian Citizen - Ministry of the Interior│Republic of Ghana

www.mint.gov.gh

1. He has resided in Ghana throughout the period of twelve months immediately preceding the date of the application,
2. during the seven years immediately preceding the period of twelve months, he has resided in Ghana for periods amounting in the aggregate to not less than five years
3. He is of good character as attested to in writing by two Ghanaians being notaries public, lawyers or senior public officers
4. He has not been sentenced to any period of imprisonment in Ghana or anywhere for an offence recognized by law in Ghana
5. He is able to speak and understand an indigenous Ghanaian language
6. He is a person who has made or who is capable of making a substantial contribution to the progress or advancement in any area of national activity
7. He is a person who has been assimilated into the Ghanaian way of life or who can easily be so assimilated
8. He intends to reside permanently in Ghana in the event of a certificate being granted to him
9. He possessed a valid residence Permit on the date of his application

And there's a lot of wiggle room here that's open to whatever official's interpretation.

Obviously where there is a will, there is a way. Individuals do this on a regular basis.

I think Ghana, and other countries, are right to make their requirements "stringent" - otherwise you end up with Expat communities like Mexico, Costa Rica, and god forbid Thailand. (which has plenty of Chinese and Russian expats, as well as the typical sexpats)

 

[papa pimp]

There is no universe where a westerner making 50k to 100k in Canada/us/UK can live like a local and harmoniously blend in with folks barely making 4000 USD per year.

They do it with arabs, whites, chinese, indians, turks, etc just fine.

Africa has always had extreme inequality where extremely rich and poor live right next to each other. This is why any property of value is behind a gate with security across the continent.

The issue is that in (mostly) West Africa the land rights are purposefully confusing to allow fraud.

 

[Kasper KArr]

This is the 4th diaspora war thread I've seen in the last 12 hours. Just letting you know @Houston911

fukk your thoughts you snitch tranny lover

 

[papa pimp]

I agree, but the path to citizenship in Ghana is not that straight forward.

Naturalization as Ghanaian Citizen - Ministry of the Interior│Republic of Ghana

www.mint.gov.gh

And there's a lot of wiggle room here that's open to whatever official's interpretation.

Obviously where there is a will, there is a way. Individuals do this on a regular basis.

I think Ghana, and other countries, are right to make their requirements "stringent" - otherwise you end up with Expat communities like Mexico, Costa Rica, and god forbid Thailand. (which has plenty of Chinese and Russian expats, as well as the typical sexpats)

This is Africa. Those "requirements" won't hold up to a properly-sized bribe.

 

[WIA20XX]

I do wonder how US/Euro expats are able to survive monetarily.

If they don't have internet income or some other US/Euro funding, a lot of them end up in the "expat service industry"

• Real Estate Agents
• Formal/Informal Tour Guides
• "Influencers"

That doesn't seem to be a great recipe for "Neo-Wakanda"

 

[papa pimp]

Most of the expats in Ghana are extremely old (60+) and living off pensions/retirement funds. There goal isn't to build anything beyond a place where they can die in peace.

 

[Biscayne]

I think this is a real discussion that needs to be had outside of the diaspora war context. You can't rely on the honor system to regulate the inequalities between both groups.


There is no universe where a westerner making 50k to 100k in Canada/us/UK can live like a local and harmoniously blend in with folks barely making 4000 USD per year. Even doctors and lawyers in Africa barely make 15k per year. Think of the tremendous assets and wealth such a person can leverage from their career in the west. The only equal to such a mundane western person is local politicians, magnates, and children of local dynasties.



A nobility or kleptocracy of black westerners is inevitable. You see a similar dynamic when their own native African diaspora return and end up managing the country's infrastructure, major companies, and institutions moreso than Africans who never left.

This isn’t the real conversion that needs to be had, since aftican Americans and Caribbean diaspora make such a small portion of the population out there. Most of us don’t even have the capital to participate in this “return back home” thing. And from what’s being told, the tweet didn’t have any added nuance on how this minuscule population of caribbean and American ppl might’ve been duped by local chieftains. The easier or more sensational prensatjon is “American colonialism! Liberia all over again!!!”. Now we got this reverse xenophobia amongst the diaspora in those quotes, because the OP is some weird leftist who refuses to present context and nuance. Then the Umar types will try to browbeat us about how we need to embrace this catch all blind flat black pan Africanism. And the gaslighting starts over again.

 

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I think this is a real discussion that needs to be had outside of the diaspora war context. You can't rely on the honor system to regulate the inequalities between both groups.


There is no universe where a westerner making 50k to 100k in Canada/us/UK can live like a local and harmoniously blend in with folks barely making 4000 USD per year. Even doctors and lawyers in Africa barely make 15k per year. Think of the tremendous assets and wealth such a person can leverage from their career in the west. The only equal to such a mundane western person is local politicians, magnates, and children of local dynasties.



A nobility or kleptocracy of black westerners is inevitable. You see a similar dynamic when their own native African diaspora return and end up managing the country's infrastructure, major companies, and institutions moreso than Africans who never left.

Are there any ADOS in any of these countries that occupy prominent seats in their governments? Because if the answer is yes, then we can have a real discussion, if the answer is no, then it just comes off as xenophobia and I don't think there's any real discussion to be had beyond the low brow concern trolling/passive aggressiveness we see on these boards. Especially if you adhere to the Pan Africanist ideology.