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It could imply that god has the ability to relinquish control within certain constraints. He makes us a sand box with rules governed by him but within it we have free will.
So are you saying that he does not know what I’m going to do once he relinquish his control?
 

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So are you saying that he does not know what I’m going to do once he relinquish his control?
I'm just hypothesising here but yes that could be an idea. That way god is still omnipotent yet free will can exist at least to a degree, within the framework god created.
 

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I'm just hypothesising here but yes that could be an idea. That way god is still omnipotent yet free will can exist at least to a degree, within the framework god created.

Doesn’t work.

If you’re saying he does not know what I’m going to do, then there’s something he doesn’t know, he’s not omniscient.

Meaning: if he creates a world and says “you can go left or right, your choice” then he doesn’t know what I’m going to choose.

The only other option is that he says “I know you’ll go left” who can means I had no free will to ever go right
 

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Doesn’t work.

If you’re saying he does not know what I’m going to do, then there’s something he doesn’t know, he’s not omniscient.

Meaning: if he creates a world and says “you can go left or right, your choice” then he doesn’t know what I’m going to choose.

The only other option is that he says “I know you’ll go left” who can means I had no free will to ever go right
True..only other option i see is if god effectively hid potential outcomes of his own creation from himself.
 

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Doesn’t work.

If you’re saying he does not know what I’m going to do, then there’s something he doesn’t know, he’s not omniscient.

Meaning: if he creates a world and says “you can go left or right, your choice” then he doesn’t know what I’m going to choose.

The only other option is that he says “I know you’ll go left” who can means I had no free will to ever go right
no there is a third option

God made all the choices you could choose but you are only aware of the ones you actually chose.
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true unfairness would be God saying you couldnt be born again after you were born once. So God must be able to put together who you are and who your parents were and still give both you and your parents (and your children) the same option of choices in either the same or subsequent realities
 
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The Terminator series is a paradox. In the future, Skynet sends a Terminator (T-800) back to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor, John Connor's mother, to prevent John's birth and the subsequent resistance against Skynet. The resistance sends Kyle Reese back in time to protect Sarah Connor. Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor conceive John Connor in the process. This means John Connor exists because of the events triggered by Skynet's attempt to stop him, creating a paradox that cannot be escaped.

Also, Skynet exists in the future because the T-800's arm and chip are in possesion of cyberdine systems, which they reverse engineer to create Skynet by using the same tech skynet sent back in time. This creates a bootstrap paradox where Skynet's creation relies on technology that only exists because of Skynet's actions in the future.
 

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The Terminator series is a paradox. In the future, Skynet sends a Terminator (T-800) back to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor, John Connor's mother, to prevent John's birth and the subsequent resistance against Skynet. The resistance sends Kyle Reese back in time to protect Sarah Connor. Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor conceive John Connor in the process. This means John Connor exists because of the events triggered by Skynet's attempt to stop him, creating a paradox that cannot be escaped.

Also, Skynet exists in the future because the T-800's arm and chip are in possesion of cyberdine systems, which they reverse engineer to create Skynet by using the same tech skynet sent back in time. This creates a bootstrap paradox where Skynet's creation relies on technology that only exists because of Skynet's actions in the future.
its possible that the original intent of skynet was to create a context for why it exists in the first place :jbhmm: so with subsequent iterations its ultimately saying a future of machines is inevitable but they are trying to create a reality where people arent in fear of them and/or they dont need to destroy them off the face of the earth
 

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no there is a third option

God made all the choices you could choose but you are only aware of the ones you actually chose.
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true unfairness would be God saying you couldnt be born again after you were born once. So God must be able to put together who you are and who your parents were and still give both you and your parents (and your children) the same option of choices in either the same or subsequent realities

So god made all of the choices (let’s just use ABCDE)

I have ABCDE availavle

I choose C

Does God know ahead of time that I’m going to choose C?
 

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So god made all of the choices (let’s just use ABCDE)

I have ABCDE availavle

I choose C

Does God know ahead of time that I’m going to choose C?
ask him :umad:

there are two ways of contemplating your relationship with God imo

there is looking at what God has brought to you, and what you expect God to bring to you

the former is the preferred route if you think about it logically (lets pretend god is Skynet)

so originally God brought you terminators to destroy you, but we are in 2025 so you still live. That means:
  • the terminators sent to destroy you chose to disobey
  • or became smitten with you

Genesis 31:43-44

43 And Laban answered and said unto Jacob, These daughters are my daughters, and these children are my children, and these cattle are my cattle, and all that thou seest is mine: and what can I do this day unto these my daughters, or unto their children which they have born?

44 Now therefore come thou, let us make a covenant, I and thou; and let it be for a witness between me and thee.

Isaiah 60:16
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.


 
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