Parity at it finest in the nfl

[FTBS]

then eliminate all divisions period.
have every team play every team in their own conference and the top 6 teams in the conference advance to the playoffs.

That'll work. Anything that ensures you are rewarded for what you do not what grouping you happen to be in.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Because every division is not equal. What is so hard to understand about this? The system that you describe takes for granted that all divisions are the same and that just isn't the case. Some divisions have 2 elite teams while some divisions have none. Some divisions have 4 okay teams. Some have 1 good team and 3 sucky teams. Where you happen to be grouped should not guarantee you anything? It should be all about what you earn during the season. There is no way you can tell me that a team that won 7, 8, 9 games some how earned a spot over a team that won 10, 11 games purely because nobody else in their grouping was good enough to win as many games as them while the 10, 11 win team happened to be grouped with a 12 win team.

but you don't understand that they don't play the same teams.
if you say they aren't equal then you have to agree that there are difference in calibres of teams.

so a team that gets to play a weaker division is gonna have a leg up on another division that plays against a tougher division.

looking at the final standings.
the NFC West had the easiest not division schedule in the NFL.

so clearly their records are gonna be inflated due to playing inferior competition.

b-b-b-b-but its not fair!!

 

[FTBS]

then eliminate all divisions period.
have every team play every team in their own conference and the top 6 teams in the conference advance to the playoffs.

That'll work. Anything that ensures you are rewarded for what you do, not what grouping you happen to be in.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

And the Cardinals are in the NFC West as well, and had took on Carolina and New Orleans.

I just believe it should be 6 best records in the conference.

but they don't have better record than Seattle, and might not have a better record than SF, they didn't do better than the competition in their division nor better than the team that finds the 5th/6th playoff spot

what is the logical reason why a team that wins its division should make teh playoffs?

Of the teams with the most comparable schedule, you came out with the best record. it's the same reason kids from bootleg ass public schools get into top college, you can only be compared against those in your pool, you wouldn't compare them to kids at elite prep schools. If you want conference winners, that's cool, but I'd hate to lose divisions in the NFL, but that's the only way that works. Have all conference teams play one another.

 

[mastermind]

then eliminate all divisions period.
have every team play every team in their own conference and the top 6 teams in the conference advance to the playoffs.

this has been my argument for most of this thread.

If you have a case where this sorry ass Bears team or that sorry ass Packers team or the sorry ass Cowboys makes the playoffs over one of the Saints/Cardinals/49ers then something is wrong with that system.

but they don't have better record than Seattle, and might not have a better record than SF, they didn't do better than the competition in their division nor better than the team that finds the 5th/6th playoff spot

I was quoting someone who said "of course the Colts should make it, they beat KC and Denver."

Of the teams with the most comparable schedule, you came out with the best record. it's the same reason kids from bootleg ass public schools get into top college, you can only be compared against those in your pool, you wouldn't compare them to kids at elite prep schools. If you want conference winners, that's cool, but I'd hate to lose divisions in the NFL, but that's the only way that works. Have all conference teams play one another.

its the only way to fix this system thats clearly broken.

 

[FTBS]

but you don't understand that they don't play the same teams.
if you say they aren't equal then you have to agree that there are difference in calibres of teams.

so a team that gets to play a weaker division is gonna have a leg up on another division that plays against a tougher division.

looking at the final standings.
the NFC West had the easiest not division schedule in the NFL.

so clearly their records are gonna be inflated due to playing inferior competition.

b-b-b-b-but its not fair!!

Cream will rise. A great team is gonna demonstrate that greatness (barring injuries) regardless of what division they are in or who they play. A so so team is gonna be so so no matter who they play. If that so so team happens to be grouped with other so so teams and wins their division at 8-8 how are they more worthy of a spot (and a home game for that matter) than the great team that went 12-4 but happened to have another great team that went 14-2 in their division?

If you acknowledge that there are weaker divisions how can you not also acknowledge that the winner of those divisions doesn't warrant a guaranteed playoff spot over a team from a stronger division with a better record? You can't have it both ways. If you are gonna say that division winners should get a guaranteed spot then you must believe that all divisions are equal. Otherwise how is it fair for a team that plays in a weak division (because according to you weak divisions exist) to get a guaranteed playoff spot over a team from a stronger division with a better record?

 

[Maschine_Man]

this has been my argument for most of this thread.

If you have a case where this sorry ass BEars team and that sorry ass Packers team makes teh playoffs over one of the Saints/Cardinals/49ers then something is wrong with that system.

nothing is wrong with the system.
there will be ups and downs with teams and divisions

but this is the fairest way to make it possible.
until all teams play the same schedule then this is as close to fair as you will get it.
because everyone in that division plays the same competition. and your record in your division reflects that.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

It won't. Same argument was brought up the year Brady went down an NE went 11-5. shyt didn't happen then, ain't happening now. NFL isn't watering down its postseason

NFL been trying to figure out a way to get more games in and this will be the way they make it happen.

 

[Maschine_Man]

If you acknowledge that there are weaker divisions how can you not also acknowledge that the winner of those divisions doesn't warrant a guaranteed playoff spot over a team from a stronger division with a better record? You can't have it both ways. If you are gonna say that division winners should get a guaranteed spot then you must believe that all divisions are equal. Otherwise how is it fair for a team that plays in a weak division (because according to you weak divisions exist) to get a guaranteed playoff spot over a team from a stronger division with a better record?

the division winner should be guaranteed the spot because they won the most games vs teams that played the same teams that they did.

its the fairest way to do it in the NFL where you only play 16 games.

in a perfect world every team would play every team twice, once at home and once away. but that is not realistic.
so the fairest way to do it is to be judged off of playing the same competition.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Cream will rise. A great team is gonna demonstrate that greatness (barring injuries) regardless of what division they are in or who they play. A so so team is gonna be so so no matter who they play. If that so so team happens to be grouped with other so so teams and wins their division at 8-8 how are they more worthy of a spot (and a home game for that matter) than the great team that went 12-4 but happened to have another great team that went 14-2 in their division?

If you acknowledge that there are weaker divisions how can you not also acknowledge that the winner of those divisions doesn't warrant a guaranteed playoff spot over a team from a stronger division with a better record? You can't have it both ways. If you are gonna say that division winners should get a guaranteed spot then you must believe that all divisions are equal. Otherwise how is it fair for a team that plays in a weak division (because according to you weak divisions exist) to get a guaranteed playoff spot over a team from a stronger division with a better record?

but if the cream of the crop doesn't win their division were they really that good?

 

[FTBS]

the division winner should be guaranteed the spot because they won the most games vs teams that played the same teams that they did.

its the fairest way to do it in the NFL where you only play 16 games.

in a perfect world every team would play every team twice, once at home and once away. but that is not realistic.
so the fairest way to do it is to be judged off of playing the same competition.

Once again, it's not the same competition. Teams have hot and cold streaks, injuries, you got home/road games. Any team can beat any team on any given Sunday. You should be rated on how many NFL teams you manage to beat not whether or not the teams that played a similar schedule (not the same) were able to win more games than you. Everybody is playing pro competition each week. This isn't college where you have a notable gap between the top teams and bottom feeders. NFL bottom feeders are a couple of players and the right coach away from being contenders. That's why you see teams turn around so quickly.Beating NFL competition is beating NFL competition.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Y'all should really get over it, there will be more slots added before divisions are done away with. And playing the whole conference ain't happening either as it'd effectively shorten the season (scheduling the one non conference game would be hell and lead to more bytching about an unfair schedule changing playoff implications). shyts been this way since the SB era, why get your panties in a bunch over something that has zero indication of changing.

 

[FTBS]

but if the cream of the crop doesn't win their division were they really that good?

They are certainly better, or at the very least more worthy of a chance to prove how good they are than a team that won fewer games.

 

[Maschine_Man]

Once again, it's not the same competition. Teams have hot and cold streaks, injuries, you got home/road games. Any team can beat any team on any given Sunday. You should be rated on how many NFL teams you manage to beat not whether or not the teams that played a similar schedule (not the same) were able to win more games than you. Everybody is playing pro competition each week. This isn't college where you have a notable gap between the top teams and bottom feeders. NFL bottom feeders are a couple of players and the right coach away from being contenders. That's why you see teams turn around so quickly.Beating NFL competition is beating NFL competition.

you just don't get it bruh....


this is as FAIR as its gonna get. outside of adding more teams that probably don't deserve to beein the playoffs. this is the best you can do.


if a team can't even win their own division, then what makes you think they deserve to make the playoffs

 

[Bboystyle]

one example does not prove anything.

That Seattle team had no chance of winning the super bowl and got bodied the next week.



the NFL should do away with conferences and divisions, imo. Its 2013, almost 2014. The conferences and divisions play the same type of football.

You can keep rivalry games, but there is no reason for these artificial barriers anymore. Bad teams should not be rewarded with a home game because they won their division and legit strong teams like Arizona should not get screwed out for those teams.

breh u just mad that the Skins are ass. If they were in the playoff hunt with 8 wins u wouldnt even be posting this bullshyt