Paul Pierce: Lebron Might Be The Goat, He Has An Argument.

[ghostwriterx]

terrible takes in here as usual

another dude "only won with an allstar big" too

I dont mind people having their own opinion and shyt
but saying some dude who's merely existing in the NBA and losing more than winning is the GOAT is wild work


point of the game is to win ... its not the YMCA
thats why when nikkas say Wilt is a god they get laughed out of the conversation
where was those 60 point games and superhuman strength when you were getting your shyt slid back

Everybody outside of Russell lost more than they won and he's definitely not the GOAT.

 

[Ozymandeas]

What's to be mad about? Kobe was never going to be the "GOAT", They never wanted him to be the "GOAT". He thrived and they were forced to take notice. But they never wanted him up there. They do however want LeBron up there and they will do everything to discredit everyone else to prop him up

It's so sad. In reality, Jordan, Kobe and LeBron should be A, B and C (meaning they're equals and you pick who you want) but, the media does everything in their power to discredit Kobe and act like there's 10 nikkas ahead of him when we all have eyes and know those dudes they name weren't better than him.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Lebron forms what should have been an unbeatable super team, but only wins the championship 50% of the time.

Lebron goes back to Cleveland and forms a new super team but only wins 25% of the time. Of course they will say it's because the warriors had a unbeatable team but Lebron could only win half the time with a unbeatable team.

Fans of LeBron always discredit people. They don't realize that who they discredit shows who they're insecure about because they never come at Bird, Magic, Kareem or Duncan. It's always KD, Jordan and Kobe which says alot

Kobe wins 5 rings - "But but he played with Shaq so it don't count" eventhough this clown played with half of the NBA
Durant creates a superteam - "But but its different, he joined a 73-9 team" which is disingenuous nonsense, the 2011-2012 Miami Heat were way more talented than the 2016 Warriors
Jordan wins 6 rings - "But but he played in the 90s with plumbers and accountants" eventhough this nikka Bron playing in one of the weakest defensive eras where four people this decade have scored 70 points

LeBron is not a bad player but, I hate....HATE....his fanbase

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's so sad. In reality, Jordan, Kobe and LeBron should be A, B and C (meaning they're equals and you pick who you want) but, the media does everything in their power to discredit Kobe and act like there's 10 nikkas ahead of him when we all have eyes and know those dudes they name weren't better than him.

The Coli's own poll back in 2016 put 9 guys ahead of Kobe, and that's before Steph made his case.

Bron was 8 spots ahead of him and he's won two more rings and a huge pile of accolades since then.

You may have eyes, but your mind can't come up with a single playoff moment where Kobe ever distinguished himself from any other superstar. His performances in the Finals suck. His performances in Game 7s suck. His performances as an underdog suck. His track record on game-winning shots in the postseason is lagging. His playoff stats are mediocre as hell.

His defining playoff moment was hitting 2 jumpers in a row when his team already had the lead in a game where his performance on the night was a distant third behind Shaq and Reggie, in a seried where his team was a huge favorite and already up 2-1.

Other than being on stacked teams, putting up a ton of shots in the regular season, and having obsessed fanboys, what did Kobe ever actually do in his career that puts him above anyone else in the top 10?

 

[Reggie]

No matter what Bron does, I still have MJ over him. I know what I witnessed.

No one rode the pine. I quit the team, finished school, came to NY and got paid $500 a game from street dudes who owned local teams while working on Wall Street

let me repeat something to all you garbage ass dudes in here who never experienced being dominant in a sport. At no point… Since the age of 17… Was I not one of the top three football players on every football field I stepped on. I’m gassed on myself because I know m truth. I didn’t love football the way my Homies who made it to league. I didn’t care about lifting weights and all the other shyt that they were into. I didn’t love the sport like that. It was that easy for me. So this pine shyt is meaningless.

So I’m a let you rock with the pine shyt because it was never anyone’s business about my situation there. My daughter passed away 13 years ago. I feel comfortable talking about that situation now. OU football was meaningless compared to her. It was never my ability, you never had ability Peruvian racist midget.

Shid bruh you don't have to convince me. As much as I fukk with Bron and his game NO ONE has ever combined the success skill gracefulness and athleticism like Mike. Why even as a Cowboys fan I have no problem saying Barry Sanders was the best back I've ever watched play.

 

[fifth column]

The Coli's own poll back in 2016 put 9 guys ahead of Kobe, and that's before Steph made his case.

Bron was 8 spots ahead of him and he's won two more rings and a huge pile of accolades since then.

You may have eyes, but your mind can't come up with a single playoff moment where Kobe ever distinguished himself from any other superstar. His performances in the Finals suck. His performances in Game 7s suck. His performances as an underdog suck. His track record on game-winning shots in the postseason is lagging. His playoff stats are mediocre as hell.

His defining playoff moment was hitting 2 jumpers in a row when his team already had the lead in a game where his performance on the night was a distant third behind Shaq and Reggie, in a seried where his team was a huge favorite and already up 2-1.

Other than being on stacked teams, putting up a ton of shots in the regular season, and having obsessed fanboys, what did Kobe ever actually do in his career that puts him above anyone else in the top 10?

You know what sucks? Lebron in the 2011 finals. Kobe not only repeated in 2009 and 2010, he also beat the 2 teams that eliminated Bron and his 60+ reg season wins Cavs in 2009 and 2010.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

The Coli's own poll back in 2016 put 9 guys ahead of Kobe, and that's before Steph made his case.

Bron was 8 spots ahead of him and he's won two more rings and a huge pile of accolades since then.

You may have eyes, but your mind can't come up with a single playoff moment where Kobe ever distinguished himself from any other superstar. His performances in the Finals suck. His performances in Game 7s suck. His performances as an underdog suck. His track record on game-winning shots in the postseason is lagging. His playoff stats are mediocre as hell.

His defining playoff moment was hitting 2 jumpers in a row when his team already had the lead in a game where his performance on the night was a distant third behind Shaq and Reggie, in a seried where his team was a huge favorite and already up 2-1.

Other than being on stacked teams, putting up a ton of shots in the regular season, and having obsessed fanboys, what did Kobe ever actually do in his career that puts him above anyone else in the top 10?

Back on SOHH everyone from Michael Finley to Michael Redd was considered better than Kobe. You ain't saying shiit.

Outside of longevity what has LeBron ever done to set himself apart of his contemporaries? He lost 3 or 4 titles to Steph or 2 of 3 to KD depending on whatever goofyass argument yall choose to pick.

 

[fifth column]

Back on SOHH everyone from Michael Finley to Michael Redd was considered better than Kobe. You ain't saying shiit.

Outside of longevity what has LeBron ever done to set himself apart of his contemporaries?

Formed super teams with the players he was supposed to be dominating and still underachieved in terms of chips. Lebron is mentally weak, we are witnessing it every year

 

[NYC Rebel]

Back on SOHH everyone from Michael Finley to Michael Redd was considered better than Kobe. You ain't saying shiit.

Outside of longevity what has LeBron ever done to set himself apart of his contemporaries?

 

[catskill247]

So now length of time you played puts you in the GOAT convo?

I'm still mad at yall fools for removing Kobe from the GOAT convo. Ungrateful nxggas and cacs.

When Kobe was entering the season after winning his 5th chip, to possibly get his 6th, what was everyone saying. Were they hype that Kobe has a chance to tie with MJ, that this possible 6th win will have him side by side with Mike. Did this happen and if not why wasnt it a big story.

The reason is because the replica will never be seen as good as the original.

 

[010101]

goat career statline no argument*

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Back on SOHH everyone from Michael Finley to Michael Redd was considered better than Kobe. You ain't saying shiit.

I'm pretty sure that's not helping your case.

Outside of longevity what has LeBron ever done to set himself apart of his contemporaries?

Ummmm......

* 4 MVPs and 4 Finals MVPs (most of both since Jordan)

* First player to ever lead his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals, and also led back from 3-2 deficit in the Finals twice and from 3-2 deficit in the ECF twice

* First player to ever lead his team to defeat a 70+ win team in the Finals

* Three of the greatest carry-jobs to the Finals in NBA history (2007, 2015, and 2018)

* Greatest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history

* Has won his last 6 consecutive Game 7s and is 6-2 in Game 7 for his career (both losses were on outmatched teams and before he turned 24)

* Greatest elimination game scoring average in NBA history

* Most game-winning shots in NBA postseason history

* Most game-winning buzzer beaters in NBA postseason history (more than any TEAM in NBA history)

* Only forward to ever lead the league in both scoring and assists, while also being a repeat DPOY candidate on top of that

* Has piles of the most epic clutch games in NBA playoff history (Game 6 against Detroit in 2007, Game 4 against Indiana in 2012, Game 6 against Boston in 2012, Games 6 and 7 against San Antonio in 2013, Games 5, 6, and 7 against Golden State in 2016, and damn near the entire 2018 postseason)

* Has the most famous defensive play in NBA Finals history

* Scored the most points in a Finals game since MJ

* Most 40-point games ever in a single postseason run

* Has more 40-point postseason games than Kobe and Shaq....combined.

* Has more 40-point postseason games than KD, Steph, and Kawhi....combined.

* Was by far the greatest player straight out of high school ever AND the greatest player 20+ seasons in ever.

* About to make his 20th All-NBA team, the most in NBA history by FIVE more than the second-best player

* Made 13 1st-team All-NBA teams, the most in NBA history by TWO despite having to compete with Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Carmelo, Durant, Kawhi, AD, and Giannis during various phases of his career.

* And then you have the all-time scoring record, all-time postseason scoring record, all-time most playoff wins ever, #4 all-time in assists, #8 all-time in three-pointers, #9 all-time in steals, and so on.



So yeah, the shyt that LeBron has done to separate himself from his contemporaries is fukking ridiculous. And the vast majority of those accomplishments were PLAYOFF accomplishments, especially in the clutch and when his team was down, not just random stat-padding in meaningless regular season games or accolades built up on a dominant team when he was ahead in every series.

 

[AV Dicey]

What's to be mad about? Kobe was never going to be the "GOAT", They never wanted him to be the "GOAT". He thrived and they were forced to take notice. But they never wanted him up there. They do however want LeBron up there and they will do everything to discredit everyone else to prop him up

Kobe only person that caught a rape charge, settled it and even if the lilliest of white bytches bring that shyt up, white folk would string her up!
Kobe is beloved.

 

[10bandz]

I'm pretty sure that's not helping your case.






Ummmm......

* 4 MVPs and 4 Finals MVPs (most of both since Jordan)

* First player to ever lead his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals, and also led back from 3-2 deficit in the Finals twice and from 3-2 deficit in the ECF twice

* First player to ever lead his team to defeat a 70+ win team in the Finals

* Three of the greatest carry-jobs to the Finals in NBA history (2007, 2015, and 2018)

* Greatest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history

* Has won his last 6 consecutive Game 7s and is 6-2 in Game 7 for his career (both losses were on outmatched teams and before he turned 24)

* Greatest elimination game scoring average in NBA history

* Most game-winning shots in NBA postseason history

* Most game-winning buzzer beaters in NBA postseason history (more than any TEAM in NBA history)

* Only forward to ever lead the league in both scoring and assists, while also being a repeat DPOY candidate on top of that

* Has piles of the most epic clutch games in NBA playoff history (Game 6 against Detroit in 2007, Game 4 against Indiana in 2012, Game 6 against Boston in 2012, Games 6 and 7 against San Antonio in 2013, Games 5, 6, and 7 against Golden State in 2016, and damn near the entire 2018 postseason)

* Has the most famous defensive play in NBA Finals history

* Scored the most points in a Finals game since MJ

* Most 40-point games ever in a single postseason run

* Has more 40-point postseason games than Kobe and Shaq....combined.

* Has more 40-point postseason games than KD, Steph, and Kawhi....combined.

* Was by far the greatest player straight out of high school ever AND the greatest player 20+ seasons in ever.

* About to make his 20th All-NBA team, the most in NBA history by FIVE more than the second-best player

* Made 13 1st-team All-NBA teams, the most in NBA history by TWO despite having to compete with Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Carmelo, Durant, Kawhi, AD, and Giannis during various phases of his career.

* And then you have the all-time scoring record, all-time postseason scoring record, all-time most playoff wins ever, #4 all-time in assists, #8 all-time in three-pointers, #9 all-time in steals, and so on.



So yeah, the shyt that LeBron has done to separate himself from his contemporaries is fukking ridiculous. And the vast majority of those accomplishments were PLAYOFF accomplishments, especially in the clutch and when his team was down, not just random stat-padding in meaningless regular season games or accolades built up on a dominant team when he was ahead in every series.

 

[murksiderock]

It's so sad. In reality, Jordan, Kobe and LeBron should be A, B and C (meaning they're equals and you pick who you want) but, the media does everything in their power to discredit Kobe and act like there's 10 nikkas ahead of him when we all have eyes and know those dudes they name weren't better than him.

stop it dog...

Other than being on stacked teams, putting up a ton of shots in the regular season, and having obsessed fanboys, what did Kobe ever actually do in his career that puts him above anyone else in the top 10?

It's the simplistic "he won 5" that these nikkas hang their hats on. Because if we actually grade Kobe by the standards GOATs are held by, he's nowhere close to a GOAT conversation. Not even close...

And that's with us understanding he's still an All-Time great player. His championships as a #1 are tied for the lowest of Consensus GOAT10 with Wilt, at 2...

He's got the fewest Finals runs as a #1...

His actual performances in The Finals win or lose, are near the bottom...

He's tied with Shaq for fewest MVPs in the GOAT10...

Near the bottom with Bird and Wilt as guys who were more Regular Season Warrior than playoff guys...