Paul Pierce: Lebron Might Be The Goat, He Has An Argument.

[Greenhornet]

Everybody outside of Russell lost more than they won and he's definitely not the GOAT.

everybody outside of russell?

that just makes your argument weaker since nikkas you love arent even making the playoffs

imagine being a boxer and getting knocked out and you're like "Well at least I landed more shots, im lowkey GOAT"

somewhere in history, unathletic people changed the narrative to winning not mattering, when its the single only thing that means anything in competition

Kobe wanted to leave LA because he wanted to win
Lebron took his jersey off and ran to Miami because he wanted to win... he does a press conference strictly talking about how much he would win out of his own mouth
Larry Bird and Magic were a rivalry because they wanted to win
KD leaves because he wants to win, Ginobili stays as 6th man and Spurs stick together because they want to win
Nobody shyt talks Giannis anymore because he won
People praise Jokic now because he won

Nobody ranks Celtics as an amazing team because they never won
Nobody respects Jimmy Butler because he never won
All the Tmac, Yao, Drose, Penny, Brandon Roy conversations are based on if they would win

if you go by just reading a paper that makes Javale Mcgee one of the best Centers of all time ... its nonsensical
its like a Jrue Holiday effect, he is never seen as an amazing player ... but he will scrape your top PGs in the league
some people are built to win and some arent. You cant sit and pretend the person losing is a better option. Wilt could do a backflip and dunk... Bill Russell still pushed his shyt back nobody cares how many3's Curry hits if he doesnt win... winning is the only goal in sports. Imagine losing the superbowl an you're like "Damn I ran the ball mad well though"

 

[ghostwriterx]

everybody outside of russell?

Yes, everybody outside of Russell lost more than they won, this is a fact.

that just makes your argument weaker since nikkas you love arent even making the playoffs

Curious what exactly you think my argument is, other than the fact that everybody outside of Russell lost more than they won?

imagine being a boxer and getting knocked out and you're like "Well at least I landed more shots, im lowkey GOAT"

This is a silly analogy, like really silly. Why in the world would you compare a single boxing match to a career? If you want to use a boxing analogy, Rocky Marciano was undefeated and NOBODY thinks he was better than Ali who had 5 losses.

 

[Peruvian Connect]

I'm pretty sure that's not helping your case.






Ummmm......

* 4 MVPs and 4 Finals MVPs (most of both since Jordan)

* First player to ever lead his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals, and also led back from 3-2 deficit in the Finals twice and from 3-2 deficit in the ECF twice

* First player to ever lead his team to defeat a 70+ win team in the Finals

* Three of the greatest carry-jobs to the Finals in NBA history (2007, 2015, and 2018)

* Greatest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history

* Has won his last 6 consecutive Game 7s and is 6-2 in Game 7 for his career (both losses were on outmatched teams and before he turned 24)

* Greatest elimination game scoring average in NBA history

* Most game-winning shots in NBA postseason history

* Most game-winning buzzer beaters in NBA postseason history (more than any TEAM in NBA history)

* Only forward to ever lead the league in both scoring and assists, while also being a repeat DPOY candidate on top of that

* Has piles of the most epic clutch games in NBA playoff history (Game 6 against Detroit in 2007, Game 4 against Indiana in 2012, Game 6 against Boston in 2012, Games 6 and 7 against San Antonio in 2013, Games 5, 6, and 7 against Golden State in 2016, and damn near the entire 2018 postseason)

* Has the most famous defensive play in NBA Finals history

* Scored the most points in a Finals game since MJ

* Most 40-point games ever in a single postseason run

* Has more 40-point postseason games than Kobe and Shaq....combined.

* Has more 40-point postseason games than KD, Steph, and Kawhi....combined.

* Was by far the greatest player straight out of high school ever AND the greatest player 20+ seasons in ever.

* About to make his 20th All-NBA team, the most in NBA history by FIVE more than the second-best player

* Made 13 1st-team All-NBA teams, the most in NBA history by TWO despite having to compete with Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Carmelo, Durant, Kawhi, AD, and Giannis during various phases of his career.

* And then you have the all-time scoring record, all-time postseason scoring record, all-time most playoff wins ever, #4 all-time in assists, #8 all-time in three-pointers, #9 all-time in steals, and so on.



So yeah, the shyt that LeBron has done to separate himself from his contemporaries is fukking ridiculous. And the vast majority of those accomplishments were PLAYOFF accomplishments, especially in the clutch and when his team was down, not just random stat-padding in meaningless regular season games or accolades built up on a dominant team when he was ahead in every series.

most certainly helps my case. my argument from the rip was Kobe was never going to be the GOAT, no matter what.

Again what has LeBron done to seperate himself? You posted longevity achievements. Pretty sure Wilt still holds the most records of all-time but how oftn is he mentioned in goat conversations?

LeBron got nothing but longevity achievements

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Again what has LeBron done to seperate himself? You posted longevity achievements.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word means. Which, being familiar with your posting, does not come as a surprise.

 

[Shadow King]

Here is a reality check most mj and kobe fans are basketball fans and also fans of lebron..

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

The moment the nikka decided he couldn’t do it in Cleveland all the talking points for him was rendered useless

 

[High quality poster]

I'm pretty sure that's not helping your case.






Ummmm......

* 4 MVPs and 4 Finals MVPs (most of both since Jordan)

* First player to ever lead his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the Finals, and also led back from 3-2 deficit in the Finals twice and from 3-2 deficit in the ECF twice

* First player to ever lead his team to defeat a 70+ win team in the Finals

* Three of the greatest carry-jobs to the Finals in NBA history (2007, 2015, and 2018)

* Greatest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history

* Has won his last 6 consecutive Game 7s and is 6-2 in Game 7 for his career (both losses were on outmatched teams and before he turned 24)

* Greatest elimination game scoring average in NBA history

* Most game-winning shots in NBA postseason history

* Most game-winning buzzer beaters in NBA postseason history (more than any TEAM in NBA history)

* Only forward to ever lead the league in both scoring and assists, while also being a repeat DPOY candidate on top of that

* Has piles of the most epic clutch games in NBA playoff history (Game 6 against Detroit in 2007, Game 4 against Indiana in 2012, Game 6 against Boston in 2012, Games 6 and 7 against San Antonio in 2013, Games 5, 6, and 7 against Golden State in 2016, and damn near the entire 2018 postseason)

* Has the most famous defensive play in NBA Finals history

* Scored the most points in a Finals game since MJ

* Most 40-point games ever in a single postseason run

* Has more 40-point postseason games than Kobe and Shaq....combined.

* Has more 40-point postseason games than KD, Steph, and Kawhi....combined.

* Was by far the greatest player straight out of high school ever AND the greatest player 20+ seasons in ever.

* About to make his 20th All-NBA team, the most in NBA history by FIVE more than the second-best player

* Made 13 1st-team All-NBA teams, the most in NBA history by TWO despite having to compete with Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, Carmelo, Durant, Kawhi, AD, and Giannis during various phases of his career.

* And then you have the all-time scoring record, all-time postseason scoring record, all-time most playoff wins ever, #4 all-time in assists, #8 all-time in three-pointers, #9 all-time in steals, and so on.



So yeah, the shyt that LeBron has done to separate himself from his contemporaries is fukking ridiculous. And the vast majority of those accomplishments were PLAYOFF accomplishments, especially in the clutch and when his team was down, not just random stat-padding in meaningless regular season games or accolades built up on a dominant team when he was ahead in every series.

Oh that’s strictly a Lebron thing huh. Kyrie averaging 30ppg on 50/50/100 had nothing to do with that?

Then you list 07,15, and 18 as great carry jobs. My boy, Lebron is 2-16 in those three finals

It’s so easy to shyt on you nikkas. These Bron Stans live in an imaginary world.

 

[fifth column]

The moment the nikka decided he couldn’t do it in Cleveland all the talking points for him was rendered useless

That is it

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Oh that’s strictly a Lebron thing huh. Kyrie averaging 30ppg on 50/50/100 had nothing to do with that?

Then you list 07,15, and 18 as great carry jobs. My boy, Lebron is 2-16 in those three finals

It’s so easy to shyt on you nikkas. These Bron Stans live in an imaginary world.

You didn't actually address anything I wrote and your numbers are wrong, but you accuse us of living in an imaginary world.


I listed 20 accomplishments that set LeBron apart, and your comeback is, "But Kyrie played well too in one of those series!"

You're trying to suggest Bron shouldn't get credit for a historic Finals that he was the unanimous Finals MVP of and put up 41-16-7, 41-8-11, and 27-11-11 in consecutive must-win games just because one guy on his team played well.....when his #3 option averaged 8ppg on 36% shooting that same series.


And yes, the carry jobs in 2007, 2015, and 2018 were historic. So long as you dumbasses repeatedly try to prop up Kobe for having historic games and ppg averages in seasons where he DIDN'T WIN A PLAYOFF SERIES AT ALL, then propping up LeBron for seasons where he made it all the way to the Finals with teams that no one else would have gone anywhere with is fair play. If we only counted title seasons, then Kobe wouldn't have a single MVP season, scoring title, or scoring streak to talk about. You seriously think Kobe would even get a foot in the historic top-10 conversation if 2000-02 and 2009-10 were all you had to talk about?


Now, why don't you address the other 17 historic accomplishments I listed? I'm not expecting a coherent response.

 

[fifth column]

You didn't actually address anything I wrote and your numbers are wrong, but you accuse us of living in an imaginary world.


I listed 20 accomplishments that set LeBron apart, and your comeback is, "But Kyrie played well too in one of those series!"

You're trying to suggest Bron shouldn't get credit for a historic Finals that he was the unanimous Finals MVP of and put up 41-16-7, 41-8-11, and 27-11-11 in consecutive must-win games just because one guy on his team played well.....when his #3 option averaged 8ppg on 36% shooting that same series.

You know what’s better than coming back from 3-1 against the 73-9 Warriors? Going up 3-1 against the 73-9 Warriors and closing the deal.

Lebron dug that hole with his play in the first 4 games so

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You know what’s better than coming back from 3-1 against the 73-9 Warriors? Going up 3-1 against the 73-9 Warriors and closing the deal.

Lebron dug that hole with his play in the first 4 games so

Bron played better in those first 4 games alone (25-11-8 on 48% shooting with 9 steals and 7 blocks) than Kobe played in 5 out of his 7 Finals, but when you're going up against the peak Steph-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Draymond Warriors with a team that starts JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, and concussed Kevin Love, only a historic performance would get you anywhere.

Every single version of Kobe loses that series in 4 or 5.


Bron haters are so delusional, they're trying to use the 2016 Finals to shyt on Bron. Has self-awareness left you completely?

 

[Roger king]

Bron played better in those first 4 games alone than Kobe played in 5 out of his 7 Finals, but when you're going up against the peak Steph-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Draymond Warriors with a team that starts JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, and concussed Kevin Love, only a historic performance would get you anywhere.

Every single version of Kobe loses that series in 4 or 5.


Bron haters are so delusional, they're trying to use the 2016 Finals to shyt on Bron. Has self-awareness left you completely?

Their hero kobe couldn't make the playoffs in his prime in 2005 and had a huge meltdown and quit on his team in the 2nd quarter against the suns and choked away a 3 1 lead one of the most shameless pathetic meltdowns and chokejobs by a so called "all time great player"

Without riding shaq coatails Kobe would be KD status or worse.

 

[fifth column]

Bron played better in those first 4 games alone (25-11-8 on 48% shooting with 9 steals and 7 blocks) than Kobe played in 5 out of his 7 Finals, but when you're going up against the peak Steph-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Draymond Warriors with a team that starts JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, and concussed Kevin Love, only a historic performance would get you anywhere.

Every single version of Kobe loses that series in 4 or 5.


Bron haters are so delusional, they're trying to use the 2016 Finals to shyt on Bron. Has self-awareness left you completely?

So Kobe would lose that series? Interesting cause we saw Kobe win back to back chips against the 2 teams that eliminated Lebron in the east.

2016 Cavs also started Kyrie, y’all Bron sycophants would love to erase his whole existence to further prop up your mental midget king

 

[Roger king]

So Kobe would lose that series? Interesting cause we saw Kobe win back to back chips against the 2 teams that eliminated Lebron in the east.

2016 Cavs also started Kyrie, y’all Bron sycophants would love to erase his whole existence to further prop up your mental midget king

Kobe was a mediocre player in the playoffs. He missed the playoffs in his prime as a player and quit on his team and throw a tantrum by refusing to shoot in the 2nd half of the game..he had an all time meltdown against the suns and blew a 3 1 lead..
His biggest achievement is riding shaq coatails and playing second fiddle to the strongest and most dominant player in nba history.

Not make the playoffs in your prime playing years and expect to be taken seriously

 

[GreatestLaker]

Kobe was a mediocre player in the playoffs. He missed the playoffs in his prime as a player and quit on his team and throw a tantrum by refusing to shoot in the 2nd half of the game..he had an all time meltdown against the suns and blew a 3 1 lead..
His biggest achievement is riding shaq coatails and playing second fiddle to the strongest and most dominant player in nba history.

Not make the playoffs in your prime playing years and expect to be taken seriously

Trash posting.

Lakers were the 6th seed if I remember correctly until Kobe went down with a severely sprained ankle and the coach ended up quitting.

Kobe most times than not dominated the Western conference in the playoffs.

See 01, 08, 09 and 10. Calling Kobe a poor playoff performer is bs and you know it.